Let’s Speculate: 9×08 “Rock and a Hard Place”
If you have not seen tonight’s episode “Rock and a Hard Place” then beware of spoilers below.
Brief Recap:
This episode starts out with a girl getting kidnapped from someone lifting a car off the ground and then cuts to Sam asleep in the Men of Letters kitchen. Jody Mills reappears (and yay for that – she is the best) and tells the boys about the case, which involves four missing church members. The brothers go to the church and thinking that it may be dragons (because the missing people were part of a purity group), join the group. They are born-again virgins! Of course that doesn’t last long with Dean who runs into a former porn star in the group. She’s the “teacher”.
While Dean is seducing the former porn star, Jody and Sam figure out virgins aren’t the target, but those who break their virginity pledges are the victims. Sam, knowing his brother, tries to warn him but Dean is too busy having spaghetti western sex with the former porn star. As Sam and Jody rush to save Dean, he and the former porn star are whooshed away by a blue light and dropped into a basement/dungeon where all the heretic sex addicts have went. In what could’ve been a horror/porn mashup, Dean and the de-virgined guy get into it about male on male fighting stuff which apparently revolves around not feeding a girl to a monster. Yeah I’m not giving her a name because I doubt Dean will remember it either.
Sam and Jody realize that it’s the Roman Goddess Vesta who has been kidnapping the non-virgins. After a broken phone call from Dean, Sam and Jody realize they are at a farm outside town. They get split up and Vesta ties the mouthy Sheriff to a torture table (show’s got to do something with it this season). Sam interrupts and Vesta tries to take his liver and in an uncanny parallel to Season Six’s “You Can’t Handle the Truth”, another Roman Goddess reveals how Sam is broken inside. Jody gets out of the torture with a wooden stake in her arm and kills Vesta.
The episode ends with a heartfelt Sam dialogue about feeling broken (and what a character devolution from last season’s finale). Dean moves to tell him about Zeke, but the angel interrupts Dean and warns him not to tell Sam. If Sam ejects him, then Sam dies. Zeke leaves and Sam looks to Dean. Dean lets it go.
Things I liked:
1. Sheriff Mills for the win!!!!
2. Witty dialogue lines by the only solo female writer on staff.
3. Sheriff Mills, did I mention her?
4. MILLCHESTER (my ship of Sam and Jody)
5. Roman Goddess Vesta – so no Greeks this year. Sorry, Oedipus.
Things I didn’t like:
1. Awkward spaghetti western music in “seduction” scene
2. Failed Ackles skin demonstration – if you tease me with Dean sex, show, then it better involve a shirtless Ackles. It doesn’t count with clothes on. And since this is an odd numbered season, I have to wait until Season 10 for shirtless Sam and sex. I hate you, show.
3. ZEKE. May his ass rot in hell.
4. Teen horror porn basement trio made me wish for Joss Whedon to come in and kill them all.
5. Torture table! Why, why, show?! Burn that thing. I mean it or use it on men once in a while.
Theories of the week:
1. Zeke is bad. Zeke is not healing Sam. Zeke is using Sam for his own nefarious purposes. Zeke is BAD.
2. Sam is a virgin so he’s one step closer to living the life of a cloistered nun and starring in my dream version of Abelard and Heloise.
3. If we are paralleling Season 6, then the next step is Dean going to Death with a deal. On a serious note, that was a fairly blatant parallel to “You Can’t Handle the Truth” and I wonder if it is a clue to the storyline. Just spitballing but that would be intriguing since Cas’s storyline right now is about redeeming himself from his Godstiel days. So is this a revisitation of Season Six or am I overreading again? (I am apt to do this.)
On a side note: I feel we are about to get all kinds of Dean angst. Poor Dean. And I know I didn’t talk about the “sex” scene because as I tweeted, “That was 10 lbs of awkward in a 5 lb bag.” And that’s all I have to say about it.
Please share thoughts, speculations, and other things below.
Oh my gosh I hated it! Where did this ep even come from. I really expected better.
Oh my gosh I hated it! Where did this ep even come from. I really expected better.
If you go back and look at episode one, and look at the scene where Sam’s health starts to really go down hill, and Zeke is just sitting there. Makes you think that he was waiting for Sam to reach the edge of death, so he could spring his plan on Dean and get himself a stronger vessel to inhabit.
Which also makes me think Zeke was a part of or even the leader of one of the factions trying to wrestle control of Heaven.
Also, I wouldn’t call that music spaghetti western.
If you go back and look at episode one, and look at the scene where Sam’s health starts to really go down hill, and Zeke is just sitting there. Makes you think that he was waiting for Sam to reach the edge of death, so he could spring his plan on Dean and get himself a stronger vessel to inhabit.
Which also makes me think Zeke was a part of or even the leader of one of the factions trying to wrestle control of Heaven.
Also, I wouldn’t call that music spaghetti western.
I need some time to regain normal heart function and reevaluate the show in my head but my initial reaction is favorable.
I liked this episode, I did! I love love love Sheriff Mills and I honestly panicked when I thought she was done for. I was getting ready to be PISSED!
I guess I hadn’t really acknowledged how worried I am about the impending Dean and Sam blowup. It’s been in my thoughts and I’m dreading it but tonight, my stomach just clenched massively and I literally sat straight up while my blood felt like ice. And seeing Sam’s lost, sad and scared expressions… his worry so tangible… I wanted/want to sob. Dean is in so far over his head and my heart hurts for him bitterly too.
And Zeke. Damn him…
I’m still trying to regain my composure but I think I’ll need to think happy Dean thoughts to find my happy place before I end up weeping for both the show as it stands and the dreaded hiatus. *lip quiver*
I need some time to regain normal heart function and reevaluate the show in my head but my initial reaction is favorable.
I liked this episode, I did! I love love love Sheriff Mills and I honestly panicked when I thought she was done for. I was getting ready to be PISSED!
I guess I hadn’t really acknowledged how worried I am about the impending Dean and Sam blowup. It’s been in my thoughts and I’m dreading it but tonight, my stomach just clenched massively and I literally sat straight up while my blood felt like ice. And seeing Sam’s lost, sad and scared expressions… his worry so tangible… I wanted/want to sob. Dean is in so far over his head and my heart hurts for him bitterly too.
And Zeke. Damn him…
I’m still trying to regain my composure but I think I’ll need to think happy Dean thoughts to find my happy place before I end up weeping for both the show as it stands and the dreaded hiatus. *lip quiver*
I kind of liked this episode; not great but not bad – writing was good and it’s always great to see Jody Mills kicking ass and taking names. There were a lot of parallels to the You Can’t Handle the Truth episode from S6, but at least Dean didn’t beat the snot out of Sam in this one.
I do have a theory about Zeke; what if he is using the power of Sam’s soul to heal himself and that’s why Sam is always so wiped/tired? Souls are like small nuclear reactors in the SPN universe. In S6, Bobby was completely wiped out when Castiel tapped in to his soul to bring Sam and Dean back from killing the phoenix. Last year, in As Time Goes By, Henry used the power of his soul to time travel, and mentioned it’s best if he wait a week or so for his soul to recharge before time traveling again. And, in S6 Appointment in Samarra/Like A Virgin, when Sam got his soul put back by Death, Sam slept for a very long time after that.
Definitely a little more suspicious of Zeke’s motives now but not convinced he’s a bad guy yet.
I kind of liked this episode; not great but not bad – writing was good and it’s always great to see Jody Mills kicking ass and taking names. There were a lot of parallels to the You Can’t Handle the Truth episode from S6, but at least Dean didn’t beat the snot out of Sam in this one.
I do have a theory about Zeke; what if he is using the power of Sam’s soul to heal himself and that’s why Sam is always so wiped/tired? Souls are like small nuclear reactors in the SPN universe. In S6, Bobby was completely wiped out when Castiel tapped in to his soul to bring Sam and Dean back from killing the phoenix. Last year, in As Time Goes By, Henry used the power of his soul to time travel, and mentioned it’s best if he wait a week or so for his soul to recharge before time traveling again. And, in S6 Appointment in Samarra/Like A Virgin, when Sam got his soul put back by Death, Sam slept for a very long time after that.
Definitely a little more suspicious of Zeke’s motives now but not convinced he’s a bad guy yet.
I agree with you njspnfan with regards to Zeke. You’re so right about how these possessions take their toll on the vessel and Zeke did tell Dean he’d be healing himself as well but I’m becoming more and more suspicious and worried as time goes on.
And what happened to Sam feeling so energetic? He was waking up before Dean, bringing in breakfast, going for a run but now he’s absolutely knackered all the time. Why? I realize Zeke has had to expend energy to save others not in the original plan but it just strikes me as suspect.
Like you, I’m suspicious but not ready to throw in the towel.
I agree with you njspnfan with regards to Zeke. You’re so right about how these possessions take their toll on the vessel and Zeke did tell Dean he’d be healing himself as well but I’m becoming more and more suspicious and worried as time goes on.
And what happened to Sam feeling so energetic? He was waking up before Dean, bringing in breakfast, going for a run but now he’s absolutely knackered all the time. Why? I realize Zeke has had to expend energy to save others not in the original plan but it just strikes me as suspect.
Like you, I’m suspicious but not ready to throw in the towel.
I enjoyed it.
I appreciate how this show can go from laugh-inducing humor to heartbreak and pathos without making either seem phony. Kudos to Jensen and Jared for making us believe.
The teaser for the next episode worries me. What did Zeke do?!
I enjoyed it.
I appreciate how this show can go from laugh-inducing humor to heartbreak and pathos without making either seem phony. Kudos to Jensen and Jared for making us believe.
The teaser for the next episode worries me. What did Zeke do?!
I told you ZEKE was taking to long to heal SAM but NOooooooooooooooooooooo.
The best and funniest scene was DEAN describing a climax. This was a fiasco. What was the new virgin porn start doing with her dvd in the living room…..
come on now.
I knew this was going to be stupid, but alas I must watch all.
HAPPY TURKEY DAY SPN FAMILY
I told you ZEKE was taking to long to heal SAM but NOooooooooooooooooooooo.
The best and funniest scene was DEAN describing a climax. This was a fiasco. What was the new virgin porn start doing with her dvd in the living room…..
come on now.
I knew this was going to be stupid, but alas I must watch all.
HAPPY TURKEY DAY SPN FAMILY
I gotta say some people are just being way over sensitive about this episode. I mean people are calling racism because the porn DVD had a Mexican theme to it…. I mean really?
I gotta say some people are just being way over sensitive about this episode. I mean people are calling racism because the porn DVD had a Mexican theme to it…. I mean really?
Mick – people are calling racism? I thought the whole scene was hilarious! It played out like a cheesy Mexican themed porn film. It was perfect! Dean’s chance to finally be part of the Casa Erotica. That wasn’t the part to get outraged about. I’m thinking the Zeke thing would be that.
I honestly liked it, and my heart is aching at the end for poor Sam. It ties back to the fact that all he’s ever wanted is to be normal. Now he thinks that the trials have turned him into a freak. Dean gives him the usual “it’s not your fault” line and while that’s true, it’s never been a comfort to Sam. The whole thing just deflated him. I just might end up focusing a whole review just on that. Maybe.
I honestly liked this one a lot more than last week. Was it perfect? No, but at least it wasn’t predictable I have to honestly say, I’ve never seen anything like this before.
Mick – people are calling racism? I thought the whole scene was hilarious! It played out like a cheesy Mexican themed porn film. It was perfect! Dean’s chance to finally be part of the Casa Erotica. That wasn’t the part to get outraged about. I’m thinking the Zeke thing would be that.
I honestly liked it, and my heart is aching at the end for poor Sam. It ties back to the fact that all he’s ever wanted is to be normal. Now he thinks that the trials have turned him into a freak. Dean gives him the usual “it’s not your fault” line and while that’s true, it’s never been a comfort to Sam. The whole thing just deflated him. I just might end up focusing a whole review just on that. Maybe.
I honestly liked this one a lot more than last week. Was it perfect? No, but at least it wasn’t predictable I have to honestly say, I’ve never seen anything like this before.
Deflated! That’s the perfect word for what I saw, Alice! Sam was so happy when he thought he had gone through enough to be purified. He grew up feeling tainted… only to again feel broken and dirty.
I was very glad to see that Dean wanted to stop the charade but I wish he had argued with Zeke further!
Deflated! That’s the perfect word for what I saw, Alice! Sam was so happy when he thought he had gone through enough to be purified. He grew up feeling tainted… only to again feel broken and dirty.
I was very glad to see that Dean wanted to stop the charade but I wish he had argued with Zeke further!
[quote name=”alice”]Mick – people are calling racism? I thought the whole scene was hilarious! It played out like a cheesy Mexican themed porn film. It was perfect! Dean’s chance to finally be part of the Casa Erotica. That wasn’t the part to get outraged about. I’m thinking the Zeke thing would be that.[/quote]
Yeah, I saw a few tweets some to Jenny Klein and Adam Glass regarding it. It’s ridiculous, some people found badly pronounced Spanish and a DVD cover (which is seen on screen for like 5 seconds) to be degrading to their culture.
[quote]Mick – people are calling racism? I thought the whole scene was hilarious! It played out like a cheesy Mexican themed porn film. It was perfect! Dean’s chance to finally be part of the Casa Erotica. That wasn’t the part to get outraged about. I’m thinking the Zeke thing would be that.[/quote]
Yeah, I saw a few tweets some to Jenny Klein and Adam Glass regarding it. It’s ridiculous, some people found badly pronounced Spanish and a DVD cover (which is seen on screen for like 5 seconds) to be degrading to their culture.
I guess we now know what the hard place in the title means.
I guess we now know what the hard place in the title means.
I enjoyed this episode very much, too… although one thing that made me “eh?” was how quickly Sheriff Mills managed to escape the bonds that tied her to the torture table! Otherwise the climax (heh) of the story was pretty exciting … yes, even though our boys didn’t save the day this time around! 😉
I enjoyed this episode very much, too… although one thing that made me “eh?” was how quickly Sheriff Mills managed to escape the bonds that tied her to the torture table! Otherwise the climax (heh) of the story was pretty exciting … yes, even though our boys didn’t save the day this time around! 😉
i really liked this eppy alot. love that this season is so old school. i always love seeing jody mills. i especially enjoy her relationship with sam. it’s nice to see sam bond with someone who’s human. i mean jared has great repoire with crowley, ruby, lucifer, meg…but it’s nice to see sam have a bond with jody and not for nothing, but if it weren’t for sam’s curse with the ladies, i wouldn’t mind seeing a little something go on between these two 😀 first sam’s curse would have to be broken, i like sheriiff mills. 😉
really enjoyed the story as well and it was a great tie in to the myth arc. i had posted once before that i thought sam would think it’s him, that there was something wrong with him and that would make dean confess…almost did. damn angel interference 😛
i agree with njspn that sam’s weakness is in part due to zeke using sam’s soul to heal. sam did say he felt like his battery couldn’t recharge…the soul being his battery. i think the reason at first, sam was feeling so energized was because it was the start of his physical healing and zeke hadn’t been weakened at this point saving everyone all the time. zeke did say he was weakened every time he healed someone, so he would tap into sam’s soul even more which i would think would eventually affect sam.
as for zeke, i’m not so sure he’s bad in the sense that he’s an evil angel.. i don’t think so. i think he’s on the run of course but i’m not so sure he’s running because he did anything wrong. he could be running because he’s pro cas…i don’t have enough info yet.
based on the promo pics, i began to wonder though, if zeke is on the run, did metatron offer zeke sanctuary up in heaven? does metatron want the tablet? or the prophet? did metatron perhaps offer zeke a deal? when zeke told dean in the promo that he had to do whatever it is he just did, was it because he was fulfilling a deal he had made with metatron to get back to heaven? or maybe just not him, but other angels as well?
i don’t know that zeke was working with metatron all along though i guess it’s possible, but i’m leaning towards that meeting with sam/zeke and metatron to be a current deal in the making so zeke can get his angel butt back upstairs…that’s just me though.
i do believe however, that whether the deal was just made, or metatron somehow planned for zeke to go to sam so he can get his hands on whatever it is metatron wants, that zeke believes that he’s doing what’s necessary to get back into heaven, and perhaps other angels as well. i don’t think it’s impossible that zeke isn’t being played as well…of course, that’s spec on my part….but there’s something about zeke so i’m not giving up on him just yet…gonna wait and see.
jared did an awesome job last night and i lol when he declared to jody…”i’m a virgin” and she replied that they needed the real deal. also can’t imagine there not being a few retakes during dean’s speech about sex.
loved the end scene and i think dean has finally reached his breaking point….i’m ready for all of this to get out into the open now.
still think that once zeke accomplishes what he’s supposed to , he will heal sam entirely, i believe no matter what, he will hold his end of the deal.
nice that dean can check off sex with a porn star off his bucket list….gabriel would be proud, as i believe that was one of his last romps before lucifer killed him…
i really liked this eppy alot. love that this season is so old school. i always love seeing jody mills. i especially enjoy her relationship with sam. it’s nice to see sam bond with someone who’s human. i mean jared has great repoire with crowley, ruby, lucifer, meg…but it’s nice to see sam have a bond with jody and not for nothing, but if it weren’t for sam’s curse with the ladies, i wouldn’t mind seeing a little something go on between these two 😀 first sam’s curse would have to be broken, i like sheriiff mills. 😉
really enjoyed the story as well and it was a great tie in to the myth arc. i had posted once before that i thought sam would think it’s him, that there was something wrong with him and that would make dean confess…almost did. damn angel interference 😛
i agree with njspn that sam’s weakness is in part due to zeke using sam’s soul to heal. sam did say he felt like his battery couldn’t recharge…the soul being his battery. i think the reason at first, sam was feeling so energized was because it was the start of his physical healing and zeke hadn’t been weakened at this point saving everyone all the time. zeke did say he was weakened every time he healed someone, so he would tap into sam’s soul even more which i would think would eventually affect sam.
as for zeke, i’m not so sure he’s bad in the sense that he’s an evil angel.. i don’t think so. i think he’s on the run of course but i’m not so sure he’s running because he did anything wrong. he could be running because he’s pro cas…i don’t have enough info yet.
based on the promo pics, i began to wonder though, if zeke is on the run, did metatron offer zeke sanctuary up in heaven? does metatron want the tablet? or the prophet? did metatron perhaps offer zeke a deal? when zeke told dean in the promo that he had to do whatever it is he just did, was it because he was fulfilling a deal he had made with metatron to get back to heaven? or maybe just not him, but other angels as well?
i don’t know that zeke was working with metatron all along though i guess it’s possible, but i’m leaning towards that meeting with sam/zeke and metatron to be a current deal in the making so zeke can get his angel butt back upstairs…that’s just me though.
i do believe however, that whether the deal was just made, or metatron somehow planned for zeke to go to sam so he can get his hands on whatever it is metatron wants, that zeke believes that he’s doing what’s necessary to get back into heaven, and perhaps other angels as well. i don’t think it’s impossible that zeke isn’t being played as well…of course, that’s spec on my part….but there’s something about zeke so i’m not giving up on him just yet…gonna wait and see.
jared did an awesome job last night and i lol when he declared to jody…”i’m a virgin” and she replied that they needed the real deal. also can’t imagine there not being a few retakes during dean’s speech about sex.
loved the end scene and i think dean has finally reached his breaking point….i’m ready for all of this to get out into the open now.
still think that once zeke accomplishes what he’s supposed to , he will heal sam entirely, i believe no matter what, he will hold his end of the deal.
nice that dean can check off sex with a porn star off his bucket list….gabriel would be proud, as i believe that was one of his last romps before lucifer killed him…
I liked this episode too, a lot, way more than last weeks. It was kind of strange, and quirky; it made me go “huh?” a few times, made me laugh often and made me go “aw” for Sam at the end. I agree with Alice, it felt like something original, like something we haven’t seen before. The pacing was good and it seemed quite action packed. It also seemed balanced; there were some very nice Dean moments; that was one of Dean’s better ‘get it on’ moments, shirt off or no shirt off especially compared with some of his other hook ups (Cassie? Anna? ugh) it was funny and hot. And likewise, Sam got some very nice time with Jody as they figured out the case. I wish they could have talked just a little more though. She could have prodded him about his health and he could have revealed that he’s confused and a little worried, it would have made that end scene even more heart wrenching.
Zeke… hmmm. What is going on there? I am still loving this whole storyline, each little tidbit that they feed us just fuels the fires of curiosity and dread. Like several have already mentioned I think that Zeke is a major player in this angel war that we are going to learn about next week. What will be interesting to find out is if Sam will end up being a key player in that war because of who he is, or if he’s just inadvertently along for the ride. If Zeke is, in fact, part of this angel war, and was injured in the fall as he claims, then why would he take on a nearly dead vessel in his weakened state? That seems like a pretty risky move to make for someone on the defensive. I am beginning to wonder if being in Sam specifically (or more accurately, in a Winchester) is meaningful in some way to Zeke’s fight? Will being in a Winchester provide that specific angel with an advantage of some kind in the upcoming angel war? And Dean, in his desperation to save him ended up handing Sam right over to someone who will end up using him as a tool or a weapon. Oh boy! This is getting really interesting. I am looking forward to, and dreading, next week!
I liked this episode too, a lot, way more than last weeks. It was kind of strange, and quirky; it made me go “huh?” a few times, made me laugh often and made me go “aw” for Sam at the end. I agree with Alice, it felt like something original, like something we haven’t seen before. The pacing was good and it seemed quite action packed. It also seemed balanced; there were some very nice Dean moments; that was one of Dean’s better ‘get it on’ moments, shirt off or no shirt off especially compared with some of his other hook ups (Cassie? Anna? ugh) it was funny and hot. And likewise, Sam got some very nice time with Jody as they figured out the case. I wish they could have talked just a little more though. She could have prodded him about his health and he could have revealed that he’s confused and a little worried, it would have made that end scene even more heart wrenching.
Zeke… hmmm. What is going on there? I am still loving this whole storyline, each little tidbit that they feed us just fuels the fires of curiosity and dread. Like several have already mentioned I think that Zeke is a major player in this angel war that we are going to learn about next week. What will be interesting to find out is if Sam will end up being a key player in that war because of who he is, or if he’s just inadvertently along for the ride. If Zeke is, in fact, part of this angel war, and was injured in the fall as he claims, then why would he take on a nearly dead vessel in his weakened state? That seems like a pretty risky move to make for someone on the defensive. I am beginning to wonder if being in Sam specifically (or more accurately, in a Winchester) is meaningful in some way to Zeke’s fight? Will being in a Winchester provide that specific angel with an advantage of some kind in the upcoming angel war? And Dean, in his desperation to save him ended up handing Sam right over to someone who will end up using him as a tool or a weapon. Oh boy! This is getting really interesting. I am looking forward to, and dreading, next week!
Also loved this eppy. And SO enjoy seeing Jodi Mills again. She’s got such a great rapport with the boys. I too thought this (like last week) felt very old school SPN.
Loved the end scene with the boys. Jensen does those scenes so well when he has to use a lot of facial expression when reacting to Sam’s pain…And poor Sam. So confused and mixed up and feeling crappy as Zeke seems to be sucking the life out of him…and now the real crap is gonna hit the fan.
Next week’s mid season finale…GAH! I hate cliffies and this show kills us every year!
Just what is Zeke’s end game….how will Sam react to Dean coming clean (we can assume based on past experience that it’ll be ugly for a bit)…what the heck is Metatron doing with Sam/Zeke…why does this show enjoy torturing it’s fans so badly…. LOL
Also loved this eppy. And SO enjoy seeing Jodi Mills again. She’s got such a great rapport with the boys. I too thought this (like last week) felt very old school SPN.
Loved the end scene with the boys. Jensen does those scenes so well when he has to use a lot of facial expression when reacting to Sam’s pain…And poor Sam. So confused and mixed up and feeling crappy as Zeke seems to be sucking the life out of him…and now the real crap is gonna hit the fan.
Next week’s mid season finale…GAH! I hate cliffies and this show kills us every year!
Just what is Zeke’s end game….how will Sam react to Dean coming clean (we can assume based on past experience that it’ll be ugly for a bit)…what the heck is Metatron doing with Sam/Zeke…why does this show enjoy torturing it’s fans so badly…. LOL
My overall impression is that I liked this episode. I laughed so hard when Dean realized that the girl (sorry, don’t remember her name) was a porn star on Casa Erotica! 😛 He can finally scratch that one off his bucket list. But, yeah, Bookdal, if you’re going to give us Dean sex, we need to see some skin! 😳 And Jodi saving the day, I was so happy, because I was so getting ready to be pissed if she got killed off. I had the angry fan letter ready for TPTB. 😆
Now for that really sad ending. Poor Sam, he felt so good at the beginning of the season, and now he’s thinking there is something seriously wrong with him. Well, yeah, it’s called having an angel Inside keeping you alive, using you like a puppet, and zapping what energy you have. What’s up with Zeke? One day I trust him, the next I don’t. I’m biting my nails waiting for next week’s episode. And then it’s the dreaded hellatus! 😮
My overall impression is that I liked this episode. I laughed so hard when Dean realized that the girl (sorry, don’t remember her name) was a porn star on Casa Erotica! 😛 He can finally scratch that one off his bucket list. But, yeah, Bookdal, if you’re going to give us Dean sex, we need to see some skin! 😳 And Jodi saving the day, I was so happy, because I was so getting ready to be pissed if she got killed off. I had the angry fan letter ready for TPTB. 😆
Now for that really sad ending. Poor Sam, he felt so good at the beginning of the season, and now he’s thinking there is something seriously wrong with him. Well, yeah, it’s called having an angel Inside keeping you alive, using you like a puppet, and zapping what energy you have. What’s up with Zeke? One day I trust him, the next I don’t. I’m biting my nails waiting for next week’s episode. And then it’s the dreaded hellatus! 😮
Yay! Sam wasn’t just backdrop! Sheriff Mills kicked ass!
Yay! Sam wasn’t just backdrop! Sheriff Mills kicked ass!
[quote name=”nappi815″]
as for zeke, i’m not so sure he’s bad in the sense that he’s an evil angel.. i don’t think so. i think he’s on the run of course but i’m not so sure he’s running because he did anything wrong. he could be running because he’s pro cas…i don’t have enough info yet.
based on the promo pics, i began to wonder though, if zeke is on the run, did metatron offer zeke sanctuary up in heaven? does metatron want the tablet? or the prophet? did metatron perhaps offer zeke a deal? when zeke told dean in the promo that he had to do whatever it is he just did, was it because he was fulfilling a deal he had made with metatron to get back to heaven? or maybe just not him, but other angels as well?
i don’t know that zeke was working with metatron all along though i guess it’s possible, but i’m leaning towards that meeting with sam/zeke and metatron to be a current deal in the making so zeke can get his angel butt back upstairs…that’s just me though.
i do believe however, that whether the deal was just made, or metatron somehow planned for zeke to go to sam so he can get his hands on whatever it is metatron wants, that zeke believes that he’s doing what’s necessary to get back into heaven, and perhaps other angels as well. i don’t think it’s impossible that zeke isn’t being played as well…of course, that’s spec on my part….but there’s something about zeke so i’m not giving up on him just yet…gonna wait and see. [/quote]
Hi nappi815. You always have such great insights! I am not ready to call Zeke bad either, yet, but I grow more suspicious and worried with each move the angel makes. I mean, maybe in the upcoming angel war he will be on the “good” side against both Bart and the new angel Malachi in a three way bid for the power to control heaven. I wonder though, that even if Zeke is fighting for good in the conflict if his use/abuse of Sam will put him in opposition to Dean. What if being inside a Winchester vessel is going to prove critical to Zeke and whatever plans he has? Maybe Zeke is like Castiel was in season 4, filled up with the righteousness of the correctness of his plan, and willing to use any tool, including Sam as a means to fulfill his plan? That could create a great and ambiguous moral dilemma of Zeke being right and wrong at the same time and setting up Dean having to fight him for Sam’s sake. It could be very interesting.
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as for zeke, i’m not so sure he’s bad in the sense that he’s an evil angel.. i don’t think so. i think he’s on the run of course but i’m not so sure he’s running because he did anything wrong. he could be running because he’s pro cas…i don’t have enough info yet.
based on the promo pics, i began to wonder though, if zeke is on the run, did metatron offer zeke sanctuary up in heaven? does metatron want the tablet? or the prophet? did metatron perhaps offer zeke a deal? when zeke told dean in the promo that he had to do whatever it is he just did, was it because he was fulfilling a deal he had made with metatron to get back to heaven? or maybe just not him, but other angels as well?
i don’t know that zeke was working with metatron all along though i guess it’s possible, but i’m leaning towards that meeting with sam/zeke and metatron to be a current deal in the making so zeke can get his angel butt back upstairs…that’s just me though.
i do believe however, that whether the deal was just made, or metatron somehow planned for zeke to go to sam so he can get his hands on whatever it is metatron wants, that zeke believes that he’s doing what’s necessary to get back into heaven, and perhaps other angels as well. i don’t think it’s impossible that zeke isn’t being played as well…of course, that’s spec on my part….but there’s something about zeke so i’m not giving up on him just yet…gonna wait and see. [/quote]
Hi nappi815. You always have such great insights! I am not ready to call Zeke bad either, yet, but I grow more suspicious and worried with each move the angel makes. I mean, maybe in the upcoming angel war he will be on the “good” side against both Bart and the new angel Malachi in a three way bid for the power to control heaven. I wonder though, that even if Zeke is fighting for good in the conflict if his use/abuse of Sam will put him in opposition to Dean. What if being inside a Winchester vessel is going to prove critical to Zeke and whatever plans he has? Maybe Zeke is like Castiel was in season 4, filled up with the righteousness of the correctness of his plan, and willing to use any tool, including Sam as a means to fulfill his plan? That could create a great and ambiguous moral dilemma of Zeke being right and wrong at the same time and setting up Dean having to fight him for Sam’s sake. It could be very interesting.
I liked:
• Jody Mills
• BADASS Jody Mills
• Casa Erotica comes full circle!
• Dean’s sex scene. I know a lot of people were turned off by it, but discussions of Fate………
• The actor who played the homeless guy was very good.
• Maybe the creepiest scene all season is the girl who is so thirsty, she licks the blood on her nails-bleeding hand. I found this small moment wonderfully twisted, something we usually would see in American Horror Story.
• When Dean gets coffee in the MOL kitchen, I love how the coffee cups are next to the coffee, in a buffet like position. My guess is that’s all Dean!
• The last scene.
I was not crazy about:
• Why was Vesta taking virgins that broke their vow? Because of her past, or she just liked livers? I completely missed the point. Technically Dean and Suzy were not virgins, so a signature on a piece of paper was good enough for Vesta?
• Another stand-alone episode. So NEXT week, there is all out war? If this has been building up all season, we have not SEEN any of that. Why couldn’t this story have been something like bad Angels were using virgins or a church group to get willing vessels? If thousands of Angels have fallen to Earth, things all over the place must be going nuts, as these Angels are adjusting (or not adjusting) to Earth. I would think the stand alone episodes should have been about Sam and Dean going around the country dealing with the fallout of the Angles—like in “Heaven Can’t Wait.” I’m sure the demons are thrown into confusion too. I thought Season 9 would be much more about the Angels falling, even the MOTW (or AOTW!). And Crowley has been in a chair now for 8 episodes. He’s had some good moments, but not near enough. We have no clear idea what’s going on in his head. And Cas…..isn’t Misha a regular? Weren’t we supposed to see him adjusting to being a human? I mean more than 2 of the frist 8 episodes? Wasn’t this supposed to be the “Game of Thrones” season, with so many stories in the air at the same time? I have liked the stand along eps, but let’s get the S9 stories moving, and give us more Cas , Crowley, and Kevin.
I liked:
• Jody Mills
• BADASS Jody Mills
• Casa Erotica comes full circle!
• Dean’s sex scene. I know a lot of people were turned off by it, but discussions of Fate………
• The actor who played the homeless guy was very good.
• Maybe the creepiest scene all season is the girl who is so thirsty, she licks the blood on her nails-bleeding hand. I found this small moment wonderfully twisted, something we usually would see in American Horror Story.
• When Dean gets coffee in the MOL kitchen, I love how the coffee cups are next to the coffee, in a buffet like position. My guess is that’s all Dean!
• The last scene.
I was not crazy about:
• Why was Vesta taking virgins that broke their vow? Because of her past, or she just liked livers? I completely missed the point. Technically Dean and Suzy were not virgins, so a signature on a piece of paper was good enough for Vesta?
• Another stand-alone episode. So NEXT week, there is all out war? If this has been building up all season, we have not SEEN any of that. Why couldn’t this story have been something like bad Angels were using virgins or a church group to get willing vessels? If thousands of Angels have fallen to Earth, things all over the place must be going nuts, as these Angels are adjusting (or not adjusting) to Earth. I would think the stand alone episodes should have been about Sam and Dean going around the country dealing with the fallout of the Angles—like in “Heaven Can’t Wait.” I’m sure the demons are thrown into confusion too. I thought Season 9 would be much more about the Angels falling, even the MOTW (or AOTW!). And Crowley has been in a chair now for 8 episodes. He’s had some good moments, but not near enough. We have no clear idea what’s going on in his head. And Cas…..isn’t Misha a regular? Weren’t we supposed to see him adjusting to being a human? I mean more than 2 of the frist 8 episodes? Wasn’t this supposed to be the “Game of Thrones” season, with so many stories in the air at the same time? I have liked the stand along eps, but let’s get the S9 stories moving, and give us more Cas , Crowley, and Kevin.
I liked this one a whole lot better than the last few episodes.
It was darker – those scenes in the bunker were creepy!
Dean hasn’t been in any frame of mind to ogle the ladies, and I’ve missed that side of him lately (sorry, but it’s part of who he is!)… I laughed at the Casa Erotica reference – Oh Gabriel, how I miss you! 🙂
Jody was back! Yay! AND she figured out the monster and saved both Winchesters! Finally a bad-ass, capable woman back on the show.
And of course that final scene. FINALLY we get a glimpse of what Sam is feeling and going through… Dean listening…. and ZEKE! I have a feeling he’s not such a good friend.
YIKES! I can’t wait for next week! I haven’t been this excited for the next episode since 9.02. Bring on the angst!
I liked this one a whole lot better than the last few episodes.
It was darker – those scenes in the bunker were creepy!
Dean hasn’t been in any frame of mind to ogle the ladies, and I’ve missed that side of him lately (sorry, but it’s part of who he is!)… I laughed at the Casa Erotica reference – Oh Gabriel, how I miss you! 🙂
Jody was back! Yay! AND she figured out the monster and saved both Winchesters! Finally a bad-ass, capable woman back on the show.
And of course that final scene. FINALLY we get a glimpse of what Sam is feeling and going through… Dean listening…. and ZEKE! I have a feeling he’s not such a good friend.
YIKES! I can’t wait for next week! I haven’t been this excited for the next episode since 9.02. Bring on the angst!
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• Maybe the creepiest scene all season is the girl who is so thirsty, she licks the blood on her nails-bleeding hand. I found this small moment wonderfully twisted, something we usually would see in American Horror Story.[/quote]
Also tensest scene was the whole lighting the way via taser light,
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• Maybe the creepiest scene all season is the girl who is so thirsty, she licks the blood on her nails-bleeding hand. I found this small moment wonderfully twisted, something we usually would see in American Horror Story.[/quote]
Also tensest scene was the whole lighting the way via taser light,
The episode followed the pattern set in the one where Dean chases Chronos and Jodi and Sam retrieve him through their smarts and here brawn. it was actually a well balanced episode from my point of view as there was enough action for both leads, humor and angst and a brother moment. Corn flakes for breakfast would put anyone to sleep let alone a really sick Sam. We found out just how bad Sam is and that he knows it. We feel how Dean does not want to lie but is btwen the rock and the hard place. Sam saying that Dean has crossed off sex with a porn star, from his bucket list- was that a throw away line or a hint at Dean’s upcoming problem? Is Sam purer now than he has ever been? Wondering if Jensen doesn’t want to show more skin at this point since his words are so so hot in this episode-pure Dean and written well by the only female solo writer. Left a lot to our imagination. I didn’t think it was racist- just funny. The torture rack- reminded me of Meg, Ruby, even Sam when he is about to have his eyeball removed. There were lots of hints in the dialogue that it was a pagan god- reminders of the X-Mass episode where nice is so bad in the end. Now we know just how destroyed Sam is inside and wonder how long Zeke will stay. Dean looks so wrecked at the end. The only part that was a bit too hokey for me was the underground set where the captives were being kept. Sam’s condition does explain why he had little strength to open the pit and rescue Dean. There is not a lock that Dean cannot pick even with a scissors and Sam had lightened the load on top so… I thought it was a good episode. It had a familiar format, even action for the leads, sexiness, witty dialogue,face acting from both leads, truth boiling up, and angst. Not bad for 43 minutes of T.V. And it weaved back the central arc! So others may disagree, but I thought it was a really good episode! Enjoy your turkey folks!
The episode followed the pattern set in the one where Dean chases Chronos and Jodi and Sam retrieve him through their smarts and here brawn. it was actually a well balanced episode from my point of view as there was enough action for both leads, humor and angst and a brother moment. Corn flakes for breakfast would put anyone to sleep let alone a really sick Sam. We found out just how bad Sam is and that he knows it. We feel how Dean does not want to lie but is btwen the rock and the hard place. Sam saying that Dean has crossed off sex with a porn star, from his bucket list- was that a throw away line or a hint at Dean’s upcoming problem? Is Sam purer now than he has ever been? Wondering if Jensen doesn’t want to show more skin at this point since his words are so so hot in this episode-pure Dean and written well by the only female solo writer. Left a lot to our imagination. I didn’t think it was racist- just funny. The torture rack- reminded me of Meg, Ruby, even Sam when he is about to have his eyeball removed. There were lots of hints in the dialogue that it was a pagan god- reminders of the X-Mass episode where nice is so bad in the end. Now we know just how destroyed Sam is inside and wonder how long Zeke will stay. Dean looks so wrecked at the end. The only part that was a bit too hokey for me was the underground set where the captives were being kept. Sam’s condition does explain why he had little strength to open the pit and rescue Dean. There is not a lock that Dean cannot pick even with a scissors and Sam had lightened the load on top so… I thought it was a good episode. It had a familiar format, even action for the leads, sexiness, witty dialogue,face acting from both leads, truth boiling up, and angst. Not bad for 43 minutes of T.V. And it weaved back the central arc! So others may disagree, but I thought it was a really good episode! Enjoy your turkey folks!
I loved Sam’s enthusiastic ‘I’m a virgin’ line 😆
I loved Sam’s enthusiastic ‘I’m a virgin’ line 😆
[quote]If you go back and look at episode one, and look at the scene where Sam’s health starts to really go down hill, and Zeke is just sitting there. Makes you think that he was waiting for Sam to reach the edge of death, so he could spring his plan on Dean and get himself a stronger vessel to inhabit. Which also makes me think Zeke was a part of or even the leader of one of the factions trying to wrestle control of Heaven.[/quote]
The only problem with this is, if Sam isn’t healed and Zeke abandons his body, Sam will heal and I can’t see Dean saying yes to something that will instantly kill Sam. Zeke may want a stronger vessel, but he has to leave Sam in good enough shape to continue to heal like a normal person, not drop dead the second Zeke leaves.
[quote]If you go back and look at episode one, and look at the scene where Sam’s health starts to really go down hill, and Zeke is just sitting there. Makes you think that he was waiting for Sam to reach the edge of death, so he could spring his plan on Dean and get himself a stronger vessel to inhabit. Which also makes me think Zeke was a part of or even the leader of one of the factions trying to wrestle control of Heaven.[/quote]
The only problem with this is, if Sam isn’t healed and Zeke abandons his body, Sam will heal and I can’t see Dean saying yes to something that will instantly kill Sam. Zeke may want a stronger vessel, but he has to leave Sam in good enough shape to continue to heal like a normal person, not drop dead the second Zeke leaves.
[quote name=”st50″]I liked this one a whole lot better than the last few episodes.
It was darker – those scenes in the bunker were creepy!
Dean hasn’t been in any frame of mind to ogle the ladies, and I’ve missed that side of him lately (sorry, but it’s part of who he is!)… I laughed at the Casa Erotica reference – Oh Gabriel, how I miss you! 🙂
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You would think going by Twitter/Tumblr they turned Dean into a rapist because he had sex in the episode. Everyone is talking about how OOC he was, when if you remember his introduction in the series was oogling Jess’s boobs.
He did seal the deal a little too quickly for my taste, it should have been left for the end of the episode.
[quote]I liked this one a whole lot better than the last few episodes.
It was darker – those scenes in the bunker were creepy!
Dean hasn’t been in any frame of mind to ogle the ladies, and I’ve missed that side of him lately (sorry, but it’s part of who he is!)… I laughed at the Casa Erotica reference – Oh Gabriel, how I miss you! 🙂
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You would think going by Twitter/Tumblr they turned Dean into a rapist because he had sex in the episode. Everyone is talking about how OOC he was, when if you remember his introduction in the series was oogling Jess’s boobs.
He did seal the deal a little too quickly for my taste, it should have been left for the end of the episode.
Um. I’m really glad you’re putting Sam in the role of Heloise, since none of us wants what happened to Abelard to happen to Sam. I know he has a killer D, but those are drastic measures.
(Funny how Disney never made a movie about THAT love story.)
Um. I’m really glad you’re putting Sam in the role of Heloise, since none of us wants what happened to Abelard to happen to Sam. I know he has a killer D, but those are drastic measures.
(Funny how Disney never made a movie about THAT love story.)
[quote]You would think going by Twitter/Tumblr they turned Dean into a rapist because he had sex in the episode. Everyone is talking about how OOC he was, when if you remember his introduction in the series was oogling Jess’s boobs.[/quote]
And how when he came back from Hell revirginized, he was more than happy to change that with the bar wench. His lack of interest in the opposite sex has been more a symptom of his depression and PTSD than being in character with the Dean we first knew.
I hope that at least now we can drop the how Sam was the most awful person in the world when in Sex and Violence he didn’t answer Dean’s phone call to have sex with the vet. It seems that both boys do it at times.
[quote]You would think going by Twitter/Tumblr they turned Dean into a rapist because he had sex in the episode. Everyone is talking about how OOC he was, when if you remember his introduction in the series was oogling Jess’s boobs.[/quote]
And how when he came back from Hell revirginized, he was more than happy to change that with the bar wench. His lack of interest in the opposite sex has been more a symptom of his depression and PTSD than being in character with the Dean we first knew.
I hope that at least now we can drop the how Sam was the most awful person in the world when in Sex and Violence he didn’t answer Dean’s phone call to have sex with the vet. It seems that both boys do it at times.
[quote name=”percysowner”][quote]You would think going by Twitter/Tumblr they turned Dean into a rapist because he had sex in the episode. Everyone is talking about how OOC he was, when if you remember his introduction in the series was oogling Jess’s boobs.[/quote]
And how when he came back from Hell revirginized, he was more than happy to change that with the bar wench. His lack of interest in the opposite sex has been more a symptom of his depression and PTSD than being in character with the Dean we first knew.
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Also there was his Amzonian child that came to kill him,
[quote][quote]You would think going by Twitter/Tumblr they turned Dean into a rapist because he had sex in the episode. Everyone is talking about how OOC he was, when if you remember his introduction in the series was oogling Jess’s boobs.[/quote]
And how when he came back from Hell revirginized, he was more than happy to change that with the bar wench. His lack of interest in the opposite sex has been more a symptom of his depression and PTSD than being in character with the Dean we first knew.
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Also there was his Amzonian child that came to kill him,
Racism? That’s a laugh. Well, maybe I’m being a bit harsh. I suppose all of us can be dicks sometimes.
Moving on to spec… Is the team going for Zodiac serial killer references? I was wondering, earlier: Why the three rams in the taxidermy shop? Aries came up here… which I initially homonymed to Ares. But heading to work this morning I remembered those rams. Maybe all possible entendres? Cuz then the oddity of the girl being thirsty… Poof. Dean. And it occurs to me Dean is an Aquarius… the water bearer. Was he spending most of his young life trying to cool down the friction between John and Sammy? But I digress. Going back to our rams episode, what did Dean sniff out? Cancer. And what was Vesta keen on? Virgins – Virgo. Can anyone think of any other Zodiac references?
Ezekiel is not just controlling Sam, he’s controlling Dean as well. Actually, it’s a pretty clever way to tie up both brothers. I’m also coming to believe he is not trying to heal Sam at all. When he first possessed Sam, Sam was stronger and energized. Now Sam’s becoming increasingly weaker. I know Ezekiel said he used some of his strength to save Cas and Charlie but Ezekiel hasn’t done anything in weeks so Sam should be getting better, not worse. If the Goddess was correct in what she said, Sam’s insides are pretty much the same as when he was in the hospital. (too bad Dean didn’t hear that part). I also don’t think Ezekiel is going to allow Dean to tell Sam the truth even if Dean wants to but for now it’s easier to keep Dean pacified into believing he has some control over this situation. Because If Dean finds out Ezekiel is using Sam and that Sam is essentially really dead or dying then Dean will become Ezekiel’s worst enemy. Ezekiel is using this time to hide out until he can put whatever plan he has into action. Which will take us full circle to John’s words, “if you can’t save your brother then you’ll have to kill him” and the Michael vs Lucifer scenario. Therein lies the just desserts that Dean will face for making this fateful decision. Even if Dean can separate Sam from Ezekiel he may still die or he may have to kill them both by killing Ezekiel.
That’s just my current speculation and I ‘m usually wrong. Lol
Ezekiel is not just controlling Sam, he’s controlling Dean as well. Actually, it’s a pretty clever way to tie up both brothers. I’m also coming to believe he is not trying to heal Sam at all. When he first possessed Sam, Sam was stronger and energized. Now Sam’s becoming increasingly weaker. I know Ezekiel said he used some of his strength to save Cas and Charlie but Ezekiel hasn’t done anything in weeks so Sam should be getting better, not worse. If the Goddess was correct in what she said, Sam’s insides are pretty much the same as when he was in the hospital. (too bad Dean didn’t hear that part). I also don’t think Ezekiel is going to allow Dean to tell Sam the truth even if Dean wants to but for now it’s easier to keep Dean pacified into believing he has some control over this situation. Because If Dean finds out Ezekiel is using Sam and that Sam is essentially really dead or dying then Dean will become Ezekiel’s worst enemy. Ezekiel is using this time to hide out until he can put whatever plan he has into action. Which will take us full circle to John’s words, “if you can’t save your brother then you’ll have to kill him” and the Michael vs Lucifer scenario. Therein lies the just desserts that Dean will face for making this fateful decision. Even if Dean can separate Sam from Ezekiel he may still die or he may have to kill them both by killing Ezekiel.
That’s just my current speculation and I ‘m usually wrong. Lol
I really didn’t like this episode much. It had a couple of funny moments and the angst at the end was intense but mostly I was just “meh “. It could’ve been better and I didn’t appreciate the show’s depiction of the born-agains.
I don’t think the Zeke situation is as black and white as people are making it out to be. The show deals very well in grey. I don’t believe Zeke is a bad guy although I do believe he’s up to know good. I really do think he is as weak as he claims and getting weaker (which may explain Sam’s re -weakened state.
I really didn’t like this episode much. It had a couple of funny moments and the angst at the end was intense but mostly I was just “meh “. It could’ve been better and I didn’t appreciate the show’s depiction of the born-agains.
I don’t think the Zeke situation is as black and white as people are making it out to be. The show deals very well in grey. I don’t believe Zeke is a bad guy although I do believe he’s up to know good. I really do think he is as weak as he claims and getting weaker (which may explain Sam’s re -weakened state.
I love this fandom to much to keep my mouth closed. I am a half creole black woman who went to college in NEW MEXICO..i don’t see ANY racism toward anyone in this episode. Is this what it has come to people….SAD
I love this fandom to much to keep my mouth closed. I am a half creole black woman who went to college in NEW MEXICO..i don’t see ANY racism toward anyone in this episode. Is this what it has come to people….SAD
[quote name=”NOLANOLA”]I love this fandom to much to keep my mouth closed. I am a half creole black woman who went to college in NEW MEXICO..i don’t see ANY racism toward anyone in this episode. Is this what it has come to people….SAD[/quote]
A lot of people (pretty sure they are mostly disgruntled Destiel shippers) have sticks up there asses, I remember someone called Eric Charmelo (who is gay, btw) a homophobe for the gay Yorkie in “Dog Dean Afternoon.”
[quote]I love this fandom to much to keep my mouth closed. I am a half creole black woman who went to college in NEW MEXICO..i don’t see ANY racism toward anyone in this episode. Is this what it has come to people….SAD[/quote]
A lot of people (pretty sure they are mostly disgruntled Destiel shippers) have sticks up there asses, I remember someone called Eric Charmelo (who is gay, btw) a homophobe for the gay Yorkie in “Dog Dean Afternoon.”
😉 tysm MICK. thought I would get a lot of BS; Which I wont do.
I think THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD KNOWS BEVERLY LESLIE is gay. [I know that’s his character on WILL and GRACE 😮 ]
Other than ALL THE BLACK PEOPLE GETTING KILLED OFF, I don’t see racism in the SHOW WHAT SO EVER…… 😆 😀 8) 😛
😉 tysm MICK. thought I would get a lot of BS; Which I wont do.
I think THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD KNOWS BEVERLY LESLIE is gay. [I know that’s his character on WILL and GRACE 😮 ]
Other than ALL THE BLACK PEOPLE GETTING KILLED OFF, I don’t see racism in the SHOW WHAT SO EVER…… 😆 😀 8) 😛
Oooops – meant to post to NOLANOLA elsewhere.
[quote name=”NOLANOLA”];-) tysm MICK. thought I would get a lot of BS; Which I wont do.
I think THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD KNOWS BEVERLY LESLIE is gay. [I know that’s his character on WILL and GRACE 😮 ]
Other than ALL THE BLACK PEOPLE GETTING KILLED OFF, I don’t see racism in the SHOW WHAT SO EVER…… 😆 😀 8) :P[/quote]
Well, everybody gets killed off, though . So even if the show did have more black people in it, they would still be dying like the white people.
[quote];-) tysm MICK. thought I would get a lot of BS; Which I wont do.
I think THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD KNOWS BEVERLY LESLIE is gay. [I know that’s his character on WILL and GRACE 😮 ]
Other than ALL THE BLACK PEOPLE GETTING KILLED OFF, I don’t see racism in the SHOW WHAT SO EVER…… 😆 😀 8) :P[/quote]
Well, everybody gets killed off, though . So even if the show did have more black people in it, they would still be dying like the white people.
let the record show I had 4, COUNT THEM 4 smiley faces at the end of my last post.
let the record show I had 4, COUNT THEM 4 smiley faces at the end of my last post.
I didn’t enjoy the last two episodes that much but this one I really enjoyed. It was funny, heartbreaking and thoroughly entertaining from start to finish. Not up there with Dog Dean Afternoon (which I loved) or 9.01 but, for me, definitely one of the most enjoyable episodes so far this year.
I LOVED seeing Jodie Mills back, please Show, never kill her off. I love her friendship with Sam; the huge smile and hug she gave him when they met up got me all melty. Although I would have liked them to have talked a bit more. I loved what Jodie said about the bond between Sam and Dean being something special even though, at the same time, my heart was getting sliced into shreds because we all know there’s going to be some huge brotherly angst ahead. The end scene between Sam and Dean was fabulous and oh so hurty, it was great to hear something about what Sam is thinking and feeling.
I’m loving the Sam/Zeke/Dean storyline and absolutely cannot wait to see what’s ahead – I’m both excited and terrified in equal measures.
I didn’t enjoy the last two episodes that much but this one I really enjoyed. It was funny, heartbreaking and thoroughly entertaining from start to finish. Not up there with Dog Dean Afternoon (which I loved) or 9.01 but, for me, definitely one of the most enjoyable episodes so far this year.
I LOVED seeing Jodie Mills back, please Show, never kill her off. I love her friendship with Sam; the huge smile and hug she gave him when they met up got me all melty. Although I would have liked them to have talked a bit more. I loved what Jodie said about the bond between Sam and Dean being something special even though, at the same time, my heart was getting sliced into shreds because we all know there’s going to be some huge brotherly angst ahead. The end scene between Sam and Dean was fabulous and oh so hurty, it was great to hear something about what Sam is thinking and feeling.
I’m loving the Sam/Zeke/Dean storyline and absolutely cannot wait to see what’s ahead – I’m both excited and terrified in equal measures.