Threads: Supernatural 9.04 to 9.08
Welcome to the third installment of the Supernatural Season 9 “Threads” series! For anyone just joining us, this series is dedicated to detecting the clues and innuendoes, subtext and foreshadowing that are present in each week’s Supernatural episodes in an attempt to form and test theories about the direction of the season’s plots and myth arc. The prior articles took us through 9.03 “I’m No Angel”. This installment summarizes my theories plus readers’ agreements, challenges and insights on those first three episodes. It continues then with the new clues found in episodes four through eight, and theorizes how these new hints affect the season’s “threads”. Episode 9, the mid-season finale, is going to give us a lot to talk about, so let’s get our thoughts in order before we are left hanging during the winter hiatus!
Who is Ezekiel?
1. No one has yet confirmed Ezekiel is who he says he is, leaving us to wonder if he is being honest with his identity. Our discussions have concluded that Ezekiel is indeed an angel (sigil reactions, white light possession, etc.), but no one has yet confirmed his name or role in Heaven. Crowley hasn’t recognized Ezekiel, but there are many possible reasons for this lapse of confirmation, ranging from Crowley’s own humanity becoming stronger, to the fact that Zeke is always the lesser consciousness inside Sam whenever Crowley is present. There is still the nagging first encounter between Zeke and the angel who attacked Dean (9.01 “I Think I’m Gonna Like It Here”). At that time, Zeke was in control of his vessel, yet the aggressive angel “hadn’t met” him before. We know for sure that angels can be recognized when they are in control of a vessel (e.g. Cas recognized Ephraim in 9.06 “Heaven Can’t Wait”. Ephraim was even impressed, complimenting Cas with “You remembered my name”), so either these two angels truly hadn’t met before (possible, yet Cas has always recognized other angels) or there is some other unknown explanation (e.g. Zeke is more clandestine than he claimed).
2. We have concluded that Ezekiel is not Metatron, Lucifer or God. Good arguments were explored for all these possibilities, but the general consensus was that these were all unlikely.
3. Is Ezekiel “blending” with Sam? There were two quotes from 9.02 “Devil May Care” that seemed to be going down this road. Zeke said something that could have had multiple interpretations, then Dean was disturbed when Sam said he was “happy with his life for the first time in …forever””. Was Dean worried that Zeke’s presence was artificially elevating Sam’s mood and that Sam’s individuality is threatened, or was Dean feeling guilty because he knew Sam wouldn’t be happy if he knew the truth? In 9.05 “Dog Dean Afternoon”, Dean reflected “He was possessed by something he couldn’t control. It was just a matter of time before it completely took over”. Obviously Dean knows that he is taking a huge calculated risk with Sam’s life. I think this reflection was meant to intensify Dean’s (and our) trepidation over the possession, but does it specifically foreshadow that Zeke is slowly gaining more control over Sam or rather that he will refuse to leave Sam when the time comes? As Zeke gets more powerful I see a risk that there might be a battle for the vessel, but I don’t personally believe that Sam will lose his identity. There haven’t been any more clues leading in this direction, yet there have been several references to the “ejection” threat. Do you agree?
4. We theorized that Ezekiel is much more powerful than the “soldier” known to Castiel. This is still a possibility, but it is getting less likely each week. Yes, Ezekiel retained his wings (they were damaged but still attached) but there are several feasible explanations for this (he may have already been on Earth or they were damaged in a battle, for example). New evidence, such as Zeke being weakened when he used his powers to resurrect Cas (9.03 “I’m No Angel”) and Charlie (9.04 “Slumber Party”)seems to indicate that he does not have the advanced powers of say an archangel or other high order angel. I am not ready to give up completely on this idea, but there hasn’t been corroborating evidence in the past five episodes. Do you agree? It is probably worthwhile to note that Zeke said he was “barely back to half strength” before he healed Charlie. This gives us a baseline of his progress.
5. While perhaps not more powerful, I still believe that Zeke is far more important than the average angel. After 9.03, I observed that Zeke thought and spoke strategically, more like a general than a soldier. Recognizing that Sam would be a strong, safe, strategically placed vessel took advanced, pre-emptive thinking. Zeke’s references to Bartholomew, Zeke’s use of tactical language and his panic at being found before he heals all point to a combat leader. The average angel wouldn’t care so much about being located by Bartholomew. The full theory that Zeke is a key player in the fight against Bartholomew, and maybe even Metatron, is stated in the 9.03 “Threads” article, and many of you agreed with me. It is possible that Zeke was already an emerging leader in Heaven or was fighting the power-hungry heavenly forces (e.g. Bartholomew) when the angels were cast out of Heaven. Maybe keeping his location/identity a secret is important because he knows he has enemies. His identity seems to be the key, though, to the question, “What are his intentions?”
What are Ezekiel’s intentions?
1. I might go down with the ship, but I still believe that Zeke has good intentions. I still believe he is “one of the good guys” as he stated earlier. He gave his word that he would try to heal Sam and I believe he is trying his best to do so. In 9.08 “Rock and a Hard Place”, the goddess Vesta revealed to Sam that “Your liver is no good. You are all duct tape and safety pins inside”. While this sounds damming, duct tape and safety pins are tools used to fix something. To me, the reference implies that repairs are being made, a little at a time, some here, some there, but there is still progress. She did not say Sam was a burned out shell, which was Sam’s condition when Zeke possessed him. In 9.06, the TV said it had been “weeks” since the freak meteor storm (the angels falling) so that gives us a time frame. Honestly, the severity of Sam’s injuries implied it would take a lot of time and work to repair, so I am not surprised that he is not whole yet.
2. After 9.03, several of you theorized that Zeke’s motivation is primarily to get Dean as an ally. In his prayer to the angels, Dean did say that he would owe the angel that helped him. We know Dean’s actions are fairly legendary in Heaven (thwarting the Apocalypse), so maybe Zeke came to gain Dean’s “friendship” or loyalty. Zeke does seem to be going out of his way to please Dean. In 9.04, Zeke gave Dean a choice: Have Zeke help defeat the witch or heal Charlie. When Dean chose, Zeke’s response was “As you wish”. Very cooperative and accommodating wouldn’t you say? While offering a choice to Dean gives Dean a sense of control (albeit a false sense of control), I also see Zeke’s willingness to help as a genuine gesture to fight in the battle against evil, and further evidence of his good nature. It could have been solely a calculated move since Dean would be a powerful friend, but Zeke’s concern seemed sincere. Given the past five episodes, what do you think of this theory now?
3. Consistent with the theory that Zeke is an important principal in the fight for Heaven, I further believe that his mission will always be his first priority. He has a good heart, so he would like to be able to save Sam, but Zeke’s hidden agenda (to defeat Bartholomew and/or restore the natural order of Heaven?) will always be paramount to other good deeds. Eilf drew the parallel that this would again be “an angel using Sam as a pawn in the fight to win a battle”. Would it go that far? I don’t think Zeke initially intended to involve Sam in the fight. Instead he hoped that both he and Sam could be at full strength before the confrontation with Bartholomew. In 9.04, Zeke said, “I cannot keep doing that [resurrecting people]. I am barely back to half strength. Every time I use my power, it weakens me, which means I will have to stay in your brother longer than you want…longer than we both want”. The evidence seems to be pointing to Zeke being anxious to get to full strength quickly, rather than prolonging the recovery in order to hide himself (and thus be safe) longer. I believe he would involve Sam if he needed to, but I don’t think that was his initial intention. In 9.08, Dean asked Zeke how much longer they would have to keep their secret from Sam. Zeke replied “Not much longer, I promise you that.” Knowing the anguish that we are doomed to bear, however, I’m sure that is the dilemma that will be placed before the brothers!
New Threads:
Sam and Dean
1. Sam is getting smarter about Zeke. How long before Sam figures this out?
- 9.04 Sam: “Who’s Zeke? Before I got zapped, I thought you said the name Zeke. Who is that?”
- 9.05 Sam: “Why did he want to know what I was?
2. In 9.07 “Bad Boys”, there was a strong parallel between Timmy’s circumstances and Dean’s and Sam’s lives. The boy was saved from a fire when a member of his family pushed him out of the thing that was burning yet his mother died trying to save him. The mother then came back as a ghost to protect her son. Obviously, Timmy represents Sam. So Dean’s advice to Timmy is ominous: “You gotta let [the one you love] go. You’ll be OK. Sometimes you got to do what’s best for you even if it’s gonna hurt the ones you love”. This was the same advice Sonny had given to Dean as a teenager. Does this mean, though, that Dean finally understood and felt better about doing something for himself even if it endangered Sam (being selfish enough to not let Sam die); or does it foreshadow that Sam will have to do something that is best for him (die?) even if it hurts Dean? The clue was obvious – its interpretation is not.
Crowley
3. In 9.06, why did Crowley want Kevin’s blood instead of Sam’s? Why did Crowley inject a second syringe of Kevin’s blood? Sam’s blood would have been sufficient if Crowley just wanted to get another taste of being human, so there is some other motivation. Does Kevin’s prophet blood have some kind of power?
4. Do you believe Crowley that the Angel Banishing spell is irreversible (9.06)? I don’t. So what did he read in that tablet that he didn’t want to share with Sam and Kevin?
Abaddon
5. What was Abaddon doing at Castle Storage (9.06)?
Castiel
6. Jimmy Novak’s plight? We talked about what happened to Jimmy when Cas became human, but the predominant opinion is that Jimmy had already died long before the angels fell. We can’t yet be sure if there is any precedent here for either Cas or Sam.
7. Cas theorized to April that he was needed alive to reverse the banishing spell (9.03). In our discussion of this, Percysowner speculated further that Cas getting his grace back might undo the spell. If that is true, Crowley would certainly want to hide that fact from Kevin and Sam. What do you think?
So that is the current status of all of the threads I have detected through episode 8. Have I missed any? Have you found evidence either for or against any of these ideas? Let’s Discuss!
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You have me a little confused with this quote:
In 9.07 “Bad Boys”, there was a strong parallel between Jack’s circumstances and Dean’s and Sam’s lives. The boy was saved from a fire when a member of his family pushed him out of the thing that was burning yet his mother died trying to save him. The mother then came back as a ghost to protect her son. Obviously, Jack represents Sam. So Dean’s advice to Jack is ominous: “You gotta let [the one you love] go. You’ll be OK. Sometimes you got to do what’s best for you even if it’s gonna hurt the ones you love”.
The little boys name is Timmy not Jack, so who is Jack?
I am one of those that just feels that Zeke is here under a whole other purpose. I really wanted to believe that he was “one of the good guys” but each week I start having my doubts. I think he is working with Metatron, thus the reason he still has his wings, damaged as they may be. I believe the plan was to get on Dean’s good side, the only way of getting into Sam, and once that was accomplished now he possess one of the strongest meat suits around. I think the next step is to rid themselves of the Prophet that is slowly translating the angel tablet. I really do believe that Crowley was lying about the irreversible part and Metatron and Zeke won’t want anyone learning the fix. Cas was probably very dead on that he might be the key to reverse the spell so the big question that I cannot put my finger on is why? What is their end game if this is the case.
I don’t have a clue why Abbadon would want anything out of Johns’ storage locker either. It was all hex boxes protecting bad stuff so that is another big mystery.
Crowley wanting Kevin’s blood makes me wonder if that won’t make him human enough to break out of all the warding he is surrounded by. We all know there are always consequences to his actions and always to his benefit.
We all know also, that episode 9 is just going to add more angst and more questions and then leave us hanging for 6 weeks. Gotta love this show though.
You have me a little confused with this quote:
In 9.07 “Bad Boys”, there was a strong parallel between Jack’s circumstances and Dean’s and Sam’s lives. The boy was saved from a fire when a member of his family pushed him out of the thing that was burning yet his mother died trying to save him. The mother then came back as a ghost to protect her son. Obviously, Jack represents Sam. So Dean’s advice to Jack is ominous: “You gotta let [the one you love] go. You’ll be OK. Sometimes you got to do what’s best for you even if it’s gonna hurt the ones you love”.
The little boys name is Timmy not Jack, so who is Jack?
I am one of those that just feels that Zeke is here under a whole other purpose. I really wanted to believe that he was “one of the good guys” but each week I start having my doubts. I think he is working with Metatron, thus the reason he still has his wings, damaged as they may be. I believe the plan was to get on Dean’s good side, the only way of getting into Sam, and once that was accomplished now he possess one of the strongest meat suits around. I think the next step is to rid themselves of the Prophet that is slowly translating the angel tablet. I really do believe that Crowley was lying about the irreversible part and Metatron and Zeke won’t want anyone learning the fix. Cas was probably very dead on that he might be the key to reverse the spell so the big question that I cannot put my finger on is why? What is their end game if this is the case.
I don’t have a clue why Abbadon would want anything out of Johns’ storage locker either. It was all hex boxes protecting bad stuff so that is another big mystery.
Crowley wanting Kevin’s blood makes me wonder if that won’t make him human enough to break out of all the warding he is surrounded by. We all know there are always consequences to his actions and always to his benefit.
We all know also, that episode 9 is just going to add more angst and more questions and then leave us hanging for 6 weeks. Gotta love this show though.
Nightsky – thank you for writing these speculation threads; always fun to read what other people are thinking.
Ezekiel’s intentions – still think he’s a soldier and his intentions are good, though he does have his own motives which may not be in sync with Sam and Dean’s interests. For instance, Kevin translating the tablet would probably not be in Zeke (or any angel’s) best interests – maybe he does something to stop Kevin from translating the tablet (sure hope they don’t kill off Kevin – he’s kind of grown on me) ? IMO Zeke will play a significant role in the angel wars/getting the angels back in to heaven. And you’re absolutely right, if this works out and Sam is healed, Dean will owe Zeke big time, and I couldn’t think of a better ally.
1. (Sam and Dean) Up to 9.07, it looked like Sam was going to start piecing things together but, after 9.08, looks like he’s laying all the blame on himself, that he’s a freak, he’s never going to be normal, and that’s just the way things are.
2. (Sam and Dean) In 9.07, I think you meant Timmy, not Jack? In some way, I also looked at Timmy’s mother as a metaphor for Sam; she turned in to something she wasn’t (as all ghosts do over time), but changed back once she realized her son was going to be okay before vanishing. Zeke appears to be more “human” in his interactions but I don’t think they’ll “merge” Sam and Zeke. Another thought on this – maybe after Sam is healed, what will happen if Zeke’s favor is to ask Dean to be his vessel? Dean would be dead set against it but would he say yes, or would Sam tell Zeke to continue using him as his meat suit?
3. (Crowley) – I think he was just playing with his favorite new toy, Kevin, and was jonesing for a hit of human blood.
4. (Crowley) – I wondered that but am also thinking, what would he have to gain by saying that? Is it in his best interests to have all the angels on earth? He’ll have his hands full with Abaddon when he escapes. Was also wondering if Abaddon (or Crowley) will make a play for heaven; no one’s really minding the store right now. Was also wondering why Crowley didn’t recognize Zeke but remembered that the demons didn’t recognize Castiel when he possessed Jimmy’s daughter towards the end of S4.
5. (Abaddon) – Castle Storage; looked to me like they were just reusing some scenery from old episodes – I didn’t put any significance behind it.
7. (Castiel)- wasn’t sure; would seem to make sense but, then again, maybe Castiel was saying this simply for self preservation or to buy time?
Nightsky – thank you for writing these speculation threads; always fun to read what other people are thinking.
Ezekiel’s intentions – still think he’s a soldier and his intentions are good, though he does have his own motives which may not be in sync with Sam and Dean’s interests. For instance, Kevin translating the tablet would probably not be in Zeke (or any angel’s) best interests – maybe he does something to stop Kevin from translating the tablet (sure hope they don’t kill off Kevin – he’s kind of grown on me) ? IMO Zeke will play a significant role in the angel wars/getting the angels back in to heaven. And you’re absolutely right, if this works out and Sam is healed, Dean will owe Zeke big time, and I couldn’t think of a better ally.
1. (Sam and Dean) Up to 9.07, it looked like Sam was going to start piecing things together but, after 9.08, looks like he’s laying all the blame on himself, that he’s a freak, he’s never going to be normal, and that’s just the way things are.
2. (Sam and Dean) In 9.07, I think you meant Timmy, not Jack? In some way, I also looked at Timmy’s mother as a metaphor for Sam; she turned in to something she wasn’t (as all ghosts do over time), but changed back once she realized her son was going to be okay before vanishing. Zeke appears to be more “human” in his interactions but I don’t think they’ll “merge” Sam and Zeke. Another thought on this – maybe after Sam is healed, what will happen if Zeke’s favor is to ask Dean to be his vessel? Dean would be dead set against it but would he say yes, or would Sam tell Zeke to continue using him as his meat suit?
3. (Crowley) – I think he was just playing with his favorite new toy, Kevin, and was jonesing for a hit of human blood.
4. (Crowley) – I wondered that but am also thinking, what would he have to gain by saying that? Is it in his best interests to have all the angels on earth? He’ll have his hands full with Abaddon when he escapes. Was also wondering if Abaddon (or Crowley) will make a play for heaven; no one’s really minding the store right now. Was also wondering why Crowley didn’t recognize Zeke but remembered that the demons didn’t recognize Castiel when he possessed Jimmy’s daughter towards the end of S4.
5. (Abaddon) – Castle Storage; looked to me like they were just reusing some scenery from old episodes – I didn’t put any significance behind it.
7. (Castiel)- wasn’t sure; would seem to make sense but, then again, maybe Castiel was saying this simply for self preservation or to buy time?
#1 and #2 Timmy?! I’ll fix it as soon as I get access to the article again. Thanks for catching that! I really remembered his name as Jack!
#1 and #2 Timmy?! I’ll fix it as soon as I get access to the article again. Thanks for catching that! I really remembered his name as Jack!
If Zeke just wanted a strong vessel, why didn’t he ask to possess Dean right off the bat? It’s cannon that he is the strongest human vessel, and he was healthy. And Dean would have done it to save Sam. Zeke would have been able to heal himself and Sam in very little time.
If Zeke just wanted a strong vessel, why didn’t he ask to possess Dean right off the bat? It’s cannon that he is the strongest human vessel, and he was healthy. And Dean would have done it to save Sam. Zeke would have been able to heal himself and Sam in very little time.
I’m not sure why Dean hasn’t done his own research on Zeke. We have seen Dean at a computer from time to time. A quick Google inquiry turned up that Ezekiel is the Archangel of Death and Transformation. Now thinking about transformation, what is the one thing that has plagued Sam from one season to another? From the very beginning, he has always feared that he was inherently evil because of being given the demon blood on his 6 month birthday. Now he is being healed by the Archangel of Transformation … I say Wow~! Yes, he’ll be pissed that Dean deceived him and didn’t trust him with the truth, but they always get past that in an episode or two.
The line “Sometimes you got to do what’s best for you even if it’s gonna hurt the ones you love” … it gave me tears. How is this going to come back to haunt us? We know it will.
Now then … why did Crowley want that blood? FIrst off, I’m not sure how he got it. We didn’t see Kevin draw out more. Sam took the bowl full of blood and washed it out. If we assume that Crowley didn’t use all the blood in the bowl and just held a little back in the syringe, then why did he inject it in his neck. I think Crowley is trying to become more human so that the devil’s trap won’t hold him any more. Yes, he probably enjoys it a little and really just wants to be loved, but the King of Hell is really tired of no reading material, not stretching his legs, and sitting there stewing in his juices all day and night. Not to mention the fact that he’s being de-throned in his absence.
I’m sure Crowley didn’t tell Sam and Kevin the truth about the translation. His own essence is probably required to reverse the spell. If an angel’s grace was required to cast out the angels, then a powerful demon’s essence will probably be required to send them back to heaven.
By the way, I’m still annoyed that Dean threw away the pendant Castiel used to sense God’s presence back in Season 5. I’m hoping that Sam picked it up and has it stowed in his pocket. Sooner or later, they are gonna find the Big Guy himself, and one of them should know.
Well done on the fun think-tank here. I really appreciate it!
I’m not sure why Dean hasn’t done his own research on Zeke. We have seen Dean at a computer from time to time. A quick Google inquiry turned up that Ezekiel is the Archangel of Death and Transformation. Now thinking about transformation, what is the one thing that has plagued Sam from one season to another? From the very beginning, he has always feared that he was inherently evil because of being given the demon blood on his 6 month birthday. Now he is being healed by the Archangel of Transformation … I say Wow~! Yes, he’ll be pissed that Dean deceived him and didn’t trust him with the truth, but they always get past that in an episode or two.
The line “Sometimes you got to do what’s best for you even if it’s gonna hurt the ones you love” … it gave me tears. How is this going to come back to haunt us? We know it will.
Now then … why did Crowley want that blood? FIrst off, I’m not sure how he got it. We didn’t see Kevin draw out more. Sam took the bowl full of blood and washed it out. If we assume that Crowley didn’t use all the blood in the bowl and just held a little back in the syringe, then why did he inject it in his neck. I think Crowley is trying to become more human so that the devil’s trap won’t hold him any more. Yes, he probably enjoys it a little and really just wants to be loved, but the King of Hell is really tired of no reading material, not stretching his legs, and sitting there stewing in his juices all day and night. Not to mention the fact that he’s being de-throned in his absence.
I’m sure Crowley didn’t tell Sam and Kevin the truth about the translation. His own essence is probably required to reverse the spell. If an angel’s grace was required to cast out the angels, then a powerful demon’s essence will probably be required to send them back to heaven.
By the way, I’m still annoyed that Dean threw away the pendant Castiel used to sense God’s presence back in Season 5. I’m hoping that Sam picked it up and has it stowed in his pocket. Sooner or later, they are gonna find the Big Guy himself, and one of them should know.
Well done on the fun think-tank here. I really appreciate it!
I speculate that Dean is going to have to go dark during this arc because he promised Zeke an unconditional favor. Since there is a lot of the trajectory that season 4 had, this darkness would balance out Sam’s transformation into something dark when he killed Lilith. The writers tend to bring parallel structure into the series from year to year. “Rock and a Hard place” for Dean, Sam, Ezekiel and Cas.
I speculate that Dean is going to have to go dark during this arc because he promised Zeke an unconditional favor. Since there is a lot of the trajectory that season 4 had, this darkness would balance out Sam’s transformation into something dark when he killed Lilith. The writers tend to bring parallel structure into the series from year to year. “Rock and a Hard place” for Dean, Sam, Ezekiel and Cas.
1, I really want Sam to figure out that he’s not alone in there, but at the same time he’s obviously not ready physically to be without Zeke. I’m worried about his health and his emotional state once he figures out the truth. He’s gonna be pissed and hurt, and I don’t blame him. But I also agree with the person who said this was a time of transformation. Maybe this healing process will completely eliminate all traces of the demon blood from Sam’s body.
2. Crowley surely has some ulterior motive for wanting Kevin’s blood, whether it be to dilute his own to get out of the trap, or for something else. Someone help me with this question: is Kevin still a virgin? Maybe there is something about a prophet’s or virgin’s blood.. or a double whammy of both… that he needs. And there’s more to that tablet than he let on and I hope Kevin is working to confirm that. What a great theory about needing Crowley’s essence to reverse the spell!
3. I’m still on the fence with Zeke. There’s something more about him that I don’t feel comfortable with, even though he’s healing my dear heart Sam. Dean’s guilt is eating him up inside and I hate it. He just confessed all to Sam at the church, reinforcing that he loves Sam with every fiber of his being then had to turn right around and make a life altering decision and lie to Sam again. I’m tearing up about it as I’m writing this. This confrontation must happen soon, as painful as it will be to endure.
4. Castiel obviously wants to be out there in the fray, helping his fallen people to survive and we see in the preview for Tuesday’s episode, it looks like he may get his wish. He’s still having such a hard time learning how to be human and I worry that he will get into a situation that he can’t handle now. On a side note, I sure would like to see Meg come back to see if the two of them can work and play together.
I think this next episode is a turning point for several of the sub-plots and it will be a loooong December while we wait to see what happens next. Happy Holidays to all of you and thanks for letting me share here!
~Lauri aka Bratzmama
1, I really want Sam to figure out that he’s not alone in there, but at the same time he’s obviously not ready physically to be without Zeke. I’m worried about his health and his emotional state once he figures out the truth. He’s gonna be pissed and hurt, and I don’t blame him. But I also agree with the person who said this was a time of transformation. Maybe this healing process will completely eliminate all traces of the demon blood from Sam’s body.
2. Crowley surely has some ulterior motive for wanting Kevin’s blood, whether it be to dilute his own to get out of the trap, or for something else. Someone help me with this question: is Kevin still a virgin? Maybe there is something about a prophet’s or virgin’s blood.. or a double whammy of both… that he needs. And there’s more to that tablet than he let on and I hope Kevin is working to confirm that. What a great theory about needing Crowley’s essence to reverse the spell!
3. I’m still on the fence with Zeke. There’s something more about him that I don’t feel comfortable with, even though he’s healing my dear heart Sam. Dean’s guilt is eating him up inside and I hate it. He just confessed all to Sam at the church, reinforcing that he loves Sam with every fiber of his being then had to turn right around and make a life altering decision and lie to Sam again. I’m tearing up about it as I’m writing this. This confrontation must happen soon, as painful as it will be to endure.
4. Castiel obviously wants to be out there in the fray, helping his fallen people to survive and we see in the preview for Tuesday’s episode, it looks like he may get his wish. He’s still having such a hard time learning how to be human and I worry that he will get into a situation that he can’t handle now. On a side note, I sure would like to see Meg come back to see if the two of them can work and play together.
I think this next episode is a turning point for several of the sub-plots and it will be a loooong December while we wait to see what happens next. Happy Holidays to all of you and thanks for letting me share here!
~Lauri aka Bratzmama
Unlike many, I have always felt that Zeke took advantage of Dean’s prayer for his own purposes. If Cas was unable to heal Sam (from what he said last season) then Zeke should have issues also. However, the possibility exists that it could be done from the inside. Dean would not owe a favor unless Sam was cured, but another deal, to leave Sam, may be struck, even if it means he will die. I also don’t believe that Zeke wanted Dean, if that were the case he likely would have proposed Dean saying ‘yes’ if he would cure Sam.
I am actually seeing some threads that maybe Zeke will use Crowley, but only if he is more human. Could be interesting with Crowley/Zeke as kings of the angels fighting Abbadon king of hell.
I do wonder if the real ‘darkness’ will happen if Zeke uses Sam to do some horrible things that Sam has no control over leaving our brothers to drown in their guilt.
I don’t know about Castiel, not enough threads yet, surely Crowley was lying (or there is another way) about reversing the spell.
I think Metatron is getting lonely and regretting his revenge power move, his part in the angel war and aftermath will need to wait until we see what he gets up to in the next episode or two.
Thanks, these threads are fun.
Unlike many, I have always felt that Zeke took advantage of Dean’s prayer for his own purposes. If Cas was unable to heal Sam (from what he said last season) then Zeke should have issues also. However, the possibility exists that it could be done from the inside. Dean would not owe a favor unless Sam was cured, but another deal, to leave Sam, may be struck, even if it means he will die. I also don’t believe that Zeke wanted Dean, if that were the case he likely would have proposed Dean saying ‘yes’ if he would cure Sam.
I am actually seeing some threads that maybe Zeke will use Crowley, but only if he is more human. Could be interesting with Crowley/Zeke as kings of the angels fighting Abbadon king of hell.
I do wonder if the real ‘darkness’ will happen if Zeke uses Sam to do some horrible things that Sam has no control over leaving our brothers to drown in their guilt.
I don’t know about Castiel, not enough threads yet, surely Crowley was lying (or there is another way) about reversing the spell.
I think Metatron is getting lonely and regretting his revenge power move, his part in the angel war and aftermath will need to wait until we see what he gets up to in the next episode or two.
Thanks, these threads are fun.
[quote]I don’t know about Castiel, not enough threads yet, surely Crowley was lying (or there is another way) about reversing the spell.[/quote]
Crowley may not be lying. Metatron wrote the tablet, including the spell to cast out the angels. That doesn’t strike me as something God intended, just something Metatron discovered or created. In any case, if Metatron DID write the spell and intended to use it he would have said it couldn’t be reversed, because he wouldn’t want it to be reversed. Basically the tablet was supposed to be a way to close Heaven and Metatron is a very unreliable narrator. So Crowley may well have translated it properly and there may be a reversal that Metatron doesn’t want known.
Frankly, I can’t see it being to Crowley’s advantage to have a bunch of angels running around earth. When they were in heaven they did almost nothing to stop or impede demons when they were in heaven. But running around earth? They will be competing with any demons on earth. I think Crowley is better off with the status quo of angels in heaven than having them run around taking over bodies of people that demons could be making deals with or just plain corrupting.
[quote]I don’t know about Castiel, not enough threads yet, surely Crowley was lying (or there is another way) about reversing the spell.[/quote]
Crowley may not be lying. Metatron wrote the tablet, including the spell to cast out the angels. That doesn’t strike me as something God intended, just something Metatron discovered or created. In any case, if Metatron DID write the spell and intended to use it he would have said it couldn’t be reversed, because he wouldn’t want it to be reversed. Basically the tablet was supposed to be a way to close Heaven and Metatron is a very unreliable narrator. So Crowley may well have translated it properly and there may be a reversal that Metatron doesn’t want known.
Frankly, I can’t see it being to Crowley’s advantage to have a bunch of angels running around earth. When they were in heaven they did almost nothing to stop or impede demons when they were in heaven. But running around earth? They will be competing with any demons on earth. I think Crowley is better off with the status quo of angels in heaven than having them run around taking over bodies of people that demons could be making deals with or just plain corrupting.