Let’s Speculate: My Heart Will Go On
Warning!!!! If you haven’t seen the latest episode of “Supernatural” and the preview for next week, do not read this! There is going to be plot-based speculation and discussion! You’ve been officially warned!
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Ding dong, this Hellatus is dead! And I really liked this episode a whole lot, so I thought it was a great way to come back. This episode was a really great example of how good “Supernatural” is at mixing poignant drama with dark comedy. At first, I was so, so, so happy to see Ellen. But then I realized that she was going to be gone at the end of the episode, and oh, that was hard. I’m glad Jo was alive somewhere in that universe, but I wish we could have seen her, too. I always liked Jo. But really, what I want to speculate about tonight has to do with Cass and his war.
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How Many Souls Does It Take To Get To the Center Of A Tootsie Roll Pop?
I’m not going to lie, I did not see that twist coming! I thought for sure Balthazar was just being Balthazar, but that was not the case at all. So Cass had Balthazar unsink the Titanic in order to create 50,000 souls. Boy, I really want to know what he needed those souls for. I’m sure we’ll find out soon, but in the meantime, I really want to know. Of course, we all know that souls have extreme power, and Death himself said it was about the souls. And how was Cass going to use them? Was he going to have to harvest them from people somehow or could he tap into their power by some other method?
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Cass is really heading toward a slippery slope, isn’t he? This seems like a “doing the wrong thing for the right reasons” situation. At least, I hope that’s what it is. Because setting things right and sinking the boat wasn’t the wrong thing here, I don’t think. I think UNsinking the boat and creating that alternate world was the wrong thing to do. Again, I’m sure he had good intentions, and it’s not like anyone else on this show is squeaky clean, but the whole reason Cass rebelled against heaven in the first place is because it was corrupt, so it’s hard to see him have to possibly corrupt himself in order to win his war. I’m worried about Cass, everyone! Episode 20 this season is going to flat-out kill me, I think.
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The Balthazar Situation
I find it really interesting that Balthazar went from antagonistic trouble-maker with dubious motives and no allegiance to anything to Cass’ right-hand man and collaborator. And he’s willing to use his reputation as a loose cannon to take the fall for the whole Titanic situation, and it worked with Sam and Dean. Mostly because they didn’t notice that Cass was lying very, very poorly, but still. I’m curious to see what his role will be moving forward, and honestly, I’m kind of a bit nervous that he might just turn on Cass or abandon him when things really get super bad. We shall see.
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Frontierland
Next week’s episode is going to be so much fun, I just can’t wait! Old West! Gunfights! Samuel Colt! Hooray!
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What did everyone think of this week’s episode? Did you all enjoy it as much as I did?
I loved it. Still very much revelling in watching Sam & Dean interact as a team once again. (Rock,paper,scissors – & Dean WON)
I wonder if collecting souls is somehow related to Purgatory – maybe they need them as a way to get in there? I don’t know.
And I was just saying to a friend that, when I saw the title of 6.20 The Man Who Would Be King I automatically assumed it was something to do with Crowley. Now I’m wondering if it is Cas – especially considering some of the spoilers that it’s a Cas centered episode.
Whatever.
I know nothing.
Except how much I love this show 🙂
I love this episode. What is with this soulthing!?! When all the souls are needed for something special, maybe thats why Castiel didn’t want Sam to have his soul back. Sorry, was only thinking.
It was a good thing to see Ellen again. I realy love this character. I’m sad, that it was only for this episode.
It was a great beginning for the end of the season. I’m looking foreward what is coming.
I left a bit of my thoughts over in the other episode article, but I’m very curious about the souls here, too.
I loved how this episode had a lot of funny asides (I caught on to Sam losing Rock Paper Scissors” myself. I think that’s how I knew we weren’t in Kansas) yet had a huge kernel of plot movement. They wrapped up what could have been a mere monster of the week well with the overarching storyline–well one of them anyways. Now my question is when does Fate show up again to collect or intervene? They didn’t let her go to simply ignore her–I hope. She’s obviously not a creature of the Mother of All. She’s a servant of Heaven’s, apparently.
I think this war in Heaven will be just a crucial to what happens on Earth as what happens with the Mother of All and her mischief. I’m curious to see how Cas is going to use these souls—and must these people be alive or dead? Are souls the currency or the weapon? We know it’s all about the souls and now that Dean’s had that issue shoved back into his face I’m hoping he’s thinking about it. And now that Sam has his back I hope he starts to piece some things together.
It was hard to see Ellen back and know that she was going to be gone again. Bobby looked so happy with her—even when he was acting all bitchy about her mother henning. Made me wish they had put them together a long time ago—for real.I know Karen was the love of his life, but she wouldn’t want him alone and unhappy, either.
All in all, I’m pleased.
Now I look forward to the Wild West and as I’ve said before, can we just have Sam wear that cowboy hat the rest of the season?
First, I have to say that Bardicvoice caused me to think about how seeing spoilers has affected my enjoyment of the episodes, and I have to agree that I think I would like this season more than I do if I didn’t know what was coming! I’m going to try to stay major spoiler free from now on.
Second, the soul talk in this episode set off my warning radar. Guys, for some reason I immediately looked at Cas and wondered if he was behind this whole situation with Souless!Sam because he needed the power of Sam’s soul. You guys, what if it wasn’t it the cage??!! What if that’s what the wall is hiding?! Which brings up the possibility of Cas and Crowley working together towards a goal we don’t understand yet……
Am I crazy to go there? We keep hearing that “someone is not what they seem” and some sort of huge relationship shift between the boys, Bobby, and Cas is coming. What do you think?
That’s an interesting idea that this whole Soulless business is partly due to an alliance between Crowley and Cas. My only question is why would Death get in on this crazy scheme? He said that he had to go to Hell to get Sam’s soul out of the Cage, after all. It’s something to think about.
I had that thought too, that the Death part would have to be wrapped up in it somehow. I have a hard time believing that I could really have it figured out, but once it popped in to my head, I couldn’t get it out!
It makes you think about this though,because if you remember both Cas and Crowely were surely on the same page for Sam NOT getting his soul back. Sure, they both expressed concerns that it would smash Sam to pieces, but when you look back on it it makes sense to think maybe just maybe they’ve been in cahoots. And now I’m puzzling the idea that since Cas is the one torching Crowley—did he really now?
Let us not forget that Cas was behind the whole ‘French Mistake’ craziness, as well.
Loved this episode. Season six (with some exceptions) is kicking some major ass. 😆
Dean wins at rock, paper, scissors? We must be in bizarroland. 😆
Death by bus, hello ‘Simon says’ callback.
I happen to like watching clips and seeing ‘spoiler’ pictures. Before you start throwing tomatoes at me, let me explain. All you see is two or three minutes of stuff, but you do not know where it is in a 42 (more or less) minute episode. Remember when we saw the clip when we are told that the Soulless One was missing his soul. Everybody got crazy. But lo and behold, that was in the first minutes of the show and we still had forty minutes to go. So I am just saying, that ‘knowing’ something in advance, is not really knowing the whole episode. (this made sense in my head, I hope it makes sense here 😆 ).
one word: Blondie.
We all noticed that the mustang had the original license plate?
“It is better to not be born, than to be killed”, callback to ‘Song Remains the Same’.
Love when Dean gave the Impala a tap at the end. Dean loves his Impala.
Next week, the Winchester brothers channel the Earp brothers. Two Texan boys do a western. Love it, before I even see it. 😀
NancyL-
I have never before been one of those people who avoided spoilers and usually happily read articles, look at pictures, and watch sneak peek vidoes. I think the difference for me with this show is that I watched seasons 1-5 on DVD, not as they aired, and therefore had the experience of watching the episodes completely spoiler free (and as fast as I wanted-ha!). This is the first season I’ve watched as they aired and while I do love it, there’s some sort of “oomph” I’m missing while watching. I’m going to try staying relatively spoiler free and see if it changes!
I, too, joined this crazy party late. I watched it back to back to back spoiler free and I tend to stay that way. I like to play with the puzzle in my head on my own without the pieces provided.
And yeah, the little throw backs in the episode were endless and too many to count on a first and only viewing.
I liked the shout out to Mystery Spot when they almost got splatted by the heavy furniture/equipment myself—and the dogs Dean didn’t like, too.
Season 6 has been daring and twisty turvy and I like it. I’m hoping when it’s all completed that it’ll be just as satisfying as it’s been for me thus far.
I’m glad to see others thrilled about that Wild West ep. Sam in Black Hat, need we say more?
We welcome all newcomers to our crazy show that we love (obsess on).
Far Away Eyes, you bring up something I wondered about, did Dean have a fear/hate/nervousness of dogs before the hellhounds?
I don’t think they really mentioned dogs too much before Hellhounds were introduced.
I don’t think Dean really did. He didn’t seem bothered by Bobby’s dogs, and that was before the deal. It’s a good question, though.
Now Dean sees a dog and he gets uptight!
And thanks for the warm welcome. I’ve enjoyed coming out of lurkdom thus far.
I don’t think it was fear of hellhounds for Sam and Dean in this particular episode. Probably more to do with the fact there were two doberman/alsation/rottweiller hybrids sniffing at their ‘special areas’.
Jeez, even I’d be cupping in that situation!
It still evokes Mystery Spot and calls back to Dean’s new found fear of dogs after his return from Hell, but yeah, I’d say the family jewels being in danger had much more to do with it, yes. It’s one of those either or situations.
Either way, it’s funny!
Hi Kellymom, you are a late comer to the party. Welcome. 😀
I, on the other hand, have suffered since day one, thru all the hellatus’, thru all the cliffhangers (smash up of the Impala), It is easy to watch ‘No Rest for the Wicked’, when you have ‘Lazarus Rising’, at hand. But try waiting four months to see how Dean returns (because you hope he has to).
So welcome to the show, and I hope by the end of the season you re-find your ‘oomph’ in the show.
Thanks, NancyL 🙂
Yes, I am SO GLAD I was able to go through the first 5 seasons hellatus-free! This summer is going to be pure torture. Agony. Thanks goodness for The Winchester Family Business!
I’m really looking forward to watching season 6 on DVD and seeing if part of what I’m missing is the instant payoff of having the story build as fast as I can watch the epis. I love this show!
It was a good ep!
Though I’m slightly traumatized by finding THAT music in the show! 😡 😆
As for the soul thing, going to stick to my theory (no matter how often I’m wrong, I’ll try try again! 🙂 ) and say that I think it is souls that give Heaven/Hell it’s power. So the power of Angels is soulpower. Whoever “owns” the most souls, has the most power.
And what if Balty and Cas simply decided to start working together? Balt was gathering souls, Cas was fighting Raph. So…
Balt:”Cas! Buddy old pal, look what I’m doing. The more the better. Raph’ll kick your ass if you don’t”
Cas:”Ok. But I’m in charge.”
Balt:”Righto! Gives me more time to play.”
Though it may bite me later, Balty is starting to grow on me. I like him with a mission. 🙂
Western next week! Hurrah!!!
What, Yvoone, you don’t like Blondie? 😆
Blondie’s ok, it was the other one that was the surprise!
Can anyone out there shed some light on this (cos I’m having a very slow head day…)?
Castiel had the Titanic unsunk in order to gain potential souls. Ah, why? What’s the difference between the souls of those 1,517 people and the squagillions of people who die every day?
Also, we saw in The Third Man how rare and valuable a human soul is (and how difficult it is to get your hands on one), what made Castiel think he’d get the Titanic souls? Surely if they hadn’t [i]traded[/i] their souls, Castiel couldn’t get them? Had he done a deal with Death or a reaper to make sure these souls went his way? Desperate measures for desperate times?
Also, can someone differentiate between the role of Death and Fate for me, please? Do they not both essentially do the same job?
I’m sure there’s a very obvious answer to this but I’m lacking the ability to think right now. Again….
Hiya Tim!
I think the reason behind that is one of the mysteries of this season…other than private theories. Way I’d tie that into my own (not that it really matters) but it used to be that all souls went to heaven except for those sold to hell. Now that there is a war, I’d say heaven is having a compitition for souls. Maybe Cas has a way to bogart the souls resulting from the Titanic. And I figure that the 1,517 isn’t just the 1,517. It’s all their decendants past and present who have died and headed heavens way. Nough rambling on my pet theory.
I figure the difference between Death and Fate is that Fate decides the when, where and how, while Death doesn’t care as long as they die.
I’m guessing here, but those are my guesses. 🙂
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Also, can someone differentiate between the role of Death and Fate for me, please? Do they not both essentially do the same job?
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I post here my hypotesis I posted on the Sofia’s review. But remember, these are just my hypotesis…
Something Atropos said in the episode really struck me: she said she received her orders by God himself. But we know that Death said he was on the same level of God, if not above, and he seems rather independent in his doing and choices. And Tessa in AIS didn’t reveal from where it was the “death list” tha she and Dean were fulfilling.
So I was guessing that maybe Atropos (and the other Fates) are God’s agents just as long as human beings and Earthly history and destiny are concerned. She talked specifically about a “book” (now subverted or thrown away), and if you can picture God as a storyteller, you can say that Fates are the ones to assure that the story proceed as written.
While Death seems to be a more large, “cosmic” force, not at all concerned about humans or other living beings, or any “story” to be fulfilled, but just about a “cosmic balance” and the “natural order” (that includes Earth and human destiny, of course, but doesn’t end with it), without purpose or scope.
Maybe sometimes this could allow some “conflict of interest” between Atropos and Death (i.e. between God’s will and the “natural order”)? The several “providential” rescues and resurrections of Sam, Dean and Castiel, about which Death seems somewhat pissed off (while Atropos was, at least until now, basically ok), seem to say so.
And it is in a way amazing (and comforting) that such a “cosmic/natural force” can be so fascinated by Dean to stop to dialogue with him and bargain with him and even concede him a “favour”.
I’m blown away by how pivotal this episode is. And Kellymom, what a great sneaky suspicion you voice! I’m on board with it, especially seeing those screenshots from the next Cas-centric episode about “Man who would be King”. I think Dean looks betrayed and Cas is in a ring of fire, or somehow at least, called on the carpet. I’ve been thinking, too, that since Cas torched Crowley, was it all a set up to manipulate the guys into believing that Sam’s soul being placed back in his body would kill/gelatinize him??? HMMM…. We know that wall is coming down and we know we will still have a Sam, so how can we have it both ways? Why of course, the boys are manipulated yet again and it was all a grand deception somehow involving Death.
I love the theory, but I also believe Cas did something wrong for the “right” reason. After all, he is “the angel that loves them” and has gone to great lengths to protect them. Hard to believe it was ALL to protect himself.
The souls will prove interesting. I can’t be the only one who noticed that it was said about 3 times that “it is better not to be born than to die bloody”. Has to mean something to be in our faces that many times.
Anyone notice the number on the back of the bus was 666? Had to run that by again on a re-watch, but yes, it was! Ha! Love those little gems.
I LOVED the Blondie song in there. I was hysterical watching that scene and hearing that song! That scene SO didn’t need lines. Their facial expressions said it all, and they were grand.
I loved the construction of the “mirrored” scenes involving Bobby at the beginning and the end. The rock, paper, scissors was priceless. The last one brought a tear to my eye with Sam wistfully watching Dean tenderly tucking Bobby in. So sweet. Loved that moment. So sad that he and Ellen aren’t ‘real’. I LOVE them together. In my mind it will always be a mistake that they didn’t write them together from the start. She’s such a nice “mom” figure for the boys.
Well, done rambling, but I loved a lot about this episode and can’t wait for the “west” of the season! LOL!
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I figure the difference between Death and Fate is that Fate decides the when, where and how, while Death doesn’t care as long as they die.
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I think Fate plays a hand in what Death does—just think back to Dean’s day as Death. He asks Tessa “Well who tells Death who dies?” And Tessa replies that she doesn’t know it just is. I don’t think the reapers are told anything, but Death, the real Death would KNOW Fate or such when and if he works with her. I also think if that’s the case, he would have kept her at bay so he could teach Dean the lesson he wanted to teach Dean. But that’s my guess.
I re-watched Two Minutes to Midnight and Swan Song last night with my husband and was struck by a comment Sam makes when Cas is conked out in the back of the Impala. He says, “Angels don’t sleep.” My radar dinged loudly again. So, we know for sure on Supernatural that angels don’t sleep and they’re dicks who don’t really care about people. That sounds a lot like someone else from this season…..could it even be possible??
I absolutely loved Bobby & Ellen together. She is such an awesome character & so good for Bobby & the guys. It was achingly bittersweet to see the family dynamic so strong between her & Bobby & “the boys” ( I adored that term of endearment for them!), & to know that Jo was still out there too.
I very much like the idea that souls give Heaven & Hell their power. Can’t wait to see where all of this s going. I’m worried too about Cas has gotten himself into. Slippery slope indeed!