“Sympathy For The Devil” – Post Your Thoughts
IT’S HERE!!!! IT’S HERE!!!! Those long hot days of Hellatus are finally over. As I started at the end of last season, as soon as you see the episode, come here and post your reaction. ALL opinions are welcome, however, there are ground rules.
- San fans, Dean fans, Castiel fans, Sam haters, Dean haters, Castiel haters, all kinds are welcome. If something upset you about THIS episode, feel free, rant away. I will even protect you from blatant attacks by other posters (respectful disagreements though are allowed). However, once you’ve stated your opinion, move on. Do not repeat the same complaint over and over again. Repeated complaints will be edited. Spirited discussions are welcomed.
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- DO NOT complain about spoilers on episodes that haven’t aired yet. ONLY aired material can be judged. Any complaints about spoilers or speculation will be edited.
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Okay, that’s all. Enjoy, and I’m so looking forward to hearing from everyone, even if it’ll take a few days for you International viewers. I’m patient!
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
I love this show!
Dean is a vessel!
The last scene hurt my heart like burning!!!
AHHHHHHHHHHHH Show! AHHHHHHHHHHH!
Best thing on television!
AHHHHHHHH!
Wow. Whoa. I’ll be more coherent in my next post.
Just fucking amazing better than I could of hoped
OMG OMG OMG….. still can’t think and still in shock… SSSOOOO Happy the show is back! Gonna have to watch it again. Where to start… Dean, Sam, Bobby, Cas…. WOW!
Wow! Poor Sam and Dean. Yay Castiel! He has the angel sword of doom and put the fear of you know who into Zachariah. So many reveals for a season premiere.
Had issues with the Satellite fading in and out, so I missed some key lines. Going to do the rewatch on my TiVo upstairs. More coherent thoughts later!!
D’oh! Poor Bobby too. I wonder how long his issues will play out. 😯
I’m so excited about this season!! I feel they really set everything up so well. I can’t wait to see how everything works out.
I felt sooooo sorry for Sam! I think the demon blood took away his puppy dog eyes last season b/c now that the demon blood’s gone, the puppy dog eyes were out in full force!! I just wanted to give him a hug.
Also, poor Dean! I know he felt that Sam chose Ruby over him but I don’t think Sam did. I think it’s a simular situation as Scarecrow. Sam stubbornly goes his own way but eventually comes back to his brother. I believe Sam would have gone back to Dean if that stupid voicemail message hadn’t been screwed with!!
Overall great episode! I’m so glad Bobby’s not dead!
Great Opener-gave me just enough to keep me from throwing stuff at my TV but left me wanting more. My only concern is that for awhile now the Winchester’s relationship has been more Sam and Diane than Sam and Dean. You know, any excuse to keep them apart to frustrate the viewers.I don’t watch a show named Supernatural to see reality. I like that the brothers had an unrealistic unbreakable bond – that they cared more about each other than the world. Yea, I’m an idiot…. Oh and if Dean is a vessel, why couldn’t he hear Castiel’s voice in Lazarus Rising? 😉
Oh joy, it’s finally here, I thought. The second I heard the opening strains of AC/DC I thought “The Boys are back in town”! And then… dare I say it, it kind of fell flat for me. Now, I love the Winchesters like family and I have been there since minute one. I seriously think it is one of the best series in the past decade of television, and one of my favorite of all time. But it left me feeling a little let down.
My overriding feeling was just that things were very rushed. There were some major plot points introduced in this episode: Castiel’s death (or at least his disappearance), the mysterious Sword of Michael and the fact that the angels have “lost” it, even the saving of Sam and Dean in the first scene-by who, why both of them- as it would seem that the angels have very little use for Sam to hear them tell it. These are all very big plot points that could have taken weeks to unfold. I just didn’t feel like they all had to be introduced and resolved in a span of 20 minutes or so.
On the other hand, I loved that we see Bobby first episode, although why Dean didn’t suspect something was up there is a little odd. And I think the actor chosen to play Lucifer is a great choice, and the scene in which Lucifer appears to him is a really great one. I also really like Chuck and hope he is going to have a more prominent role this season.
But I’m still so happy that the Winchesters are back! (and Jensen looks really great). Can you guess who my favorite brother is? I’m ready to settle in for a great season, and I am certain I won’t be disappointed. I just wish the first episode hadn’t been on hyperdrive and had been a little more focused.
There, that’s better! When I watched it the first time, I was getting too pissed off over the screen breaking up all the time. Now I could watch it without such irritating distractions.
Okay, it wasn’t “Lazarus Rising” but it did really push the story forward and setup things to come. Was it too much at once? Maybe, but then again, it’s a pretty wicked and out of control situation. It’ll be interesting to see how it all unfolds in the coming weeks.
Ben Edlund told us at Comic Con that it wouldn’t be natural for the boys to just make up and everything be fine. As Dean said, the damage is that deep. I’m an emotional wreck over that final scene. Sam walked on eggshells the entire episode, and even though he knew it would be unpleasant, he got Dean to talk about it. I am a little surprised that Sam was so broken over Dean telling him he could never trust him again. What did he expect? Ah well, good drama I guess. It’s clear it’s all a setup for soul searching for both of them.
I absolutely loved the shout out to Galaxy Quest! “It’s all real.” “I knew it.” My skin was crawling though at the bad slash fiction. Kripke you magnificent bastard.
As for Castiel, another great entrance, and this time he has balls. I’m dying to see how he adjusts to all this.
I adored that scene with Lucifer and his chosen vessel. So well done!
Anyway, not a top ten classic but still awesome. I’m so happy the show is back! Life is good again.
WOW!!!! Season five was DEFINITLY worth the wait!!!
First I am SOOOOOO glad Zack got his butt kicked…and twice no less. …first by Dean and then Cas. For me, that alone was worth the hiatus! I hope he’s gone for good!
Loved Chuck’s thoughts. He just saw Cas exploded and he grabs a rubber plunger as a weapon? Absolutely brilliant!
As for the rest of the episode?…well, the mystery thickens. I guess we are supposed to assume God brought Cas back, and now, for some reason, has decided to get involved in the whole apocalypse thing? But I’m guessing that’s not the case. Is it Michael?…hummm As the story goes, Michael is an archangel, and I doubt that he would need a vessel of any kind, and at least as the story goes, he didn’t the first time….but either way, I think he would ask Dean himself. And why save both brothers from Lucifer in the first place. Of course, you can’t have the series without both brothers, but just thinking of the storyline here, you got to believe Sam’s role is all this is not finished. (On a side note…they get saved in a PLANE???? Dean HATES planes!)
You got to feel sorry for Sam. He was so totally lost in the whole Lilith issue. He was just so hurt after losing Dean to hell, and feeling so totally responsible for it, he just turned to the first person who was there. Unfortunately that was Ruby. Wonder if Zach and Ruby were in cahoots? One issue I didn’t think fit the story line from season 4, was Sam’s comment about giving up on getting Dean back. That just didn’t fit the story line of the brother’s bond to each other. But, maybe that was supposed to indicate how totally ‘gone’ Sam was.
I so felt for Dean in the final scene….I can understand how hurt and betrayed he feels. Sam’s road back will be a hard one, but he took that first, and hardest step, with a lot of character.
Anyone think Bobby was too quick to forgive Sam? I don’t…for me Bobby was true to his character. Family is everything to him.
Anyone think Dean was unhappy about how easy Bobby did forgive Sam? I think so. Sam chose Ruby over him. That’s gotta hurt!
And the comment about Dean’s having a GED? That I didn’t like. Maybe I didn’t take it right, but I have a few degrees and book learning is FAR from every thing.
The worst part for me, was Bobby being possessed. That is usually a death sentence. My heart sank! Damn Kripke! Bobby better be Bobby in upcoming episodes that’s all I can say.
Okay, just my 2 cents worth. Look forward to reading everyone’s opinions!
Thanks, Alice, for letting me post my thoughts!
Wow. I thoroughly enjoyed that episode. I agree, it wasn’t the HOLY CRAP-OMG that Lucifer Rising was, but it was still a solid episode. I didn’t expect it to be anything more than it was – I was happy with the way everything played out.
Chuck/”SamLicker” – MoreThanBrothers.com – that was hysterical! I love, love, love that we come in on Becky writing fanfiction/Wincest – though that isn’t my taste, it was still priceless. And when she’s fondling Sam!
Castiel is bad ass! I was so, so excited – I think so far, Castiel has the best entrances of any character. And he rocked and rolled – slaying angels here, commanding and strong there. I think he was refering to God being out there somewhere, being the higher power involved. Can’t wait to see more. I like that while Cas is obviously changed by his experiences last season – he’s still as mysterious and “need-to-know” as ever. Only more blatant about his like and protection of the boys. When Dean called Cas his friend at the beginning – I’ll admit, I had a squee moment. I love the Cas-Dean dynamic (in a purely platonic friends/brothers-in-arms capacity).
I knew Bobby was possessed from the get go and I thought for sure that Dean was picking up on the clues. It appeared that he was – frowning at things Bobby was saying that were out of character. I even wondered if Sam left so he could circle back and kick some demon butt. Guess not.
Zachariah: not someone I want to negotiate with, given that he can remove my lungs with the power of thought! He’s becoming one of my favourite “bad guys.” Kudos to Dean for holding out against him, despite threats to Sam and Bobby. I knew that threatening Dean’s own life wasn’t going to work, given that they *need* Dean to be the vessel, it wasn’t likely they’d kill him. BTW – Dean as Michael’s vessel – fantastic! I suspected the so-called sword might be a person, but I didn’t see Dean coming! Regarding Dean not being able to hear Cas in LR, perhaps he is too specific a vessel and only “his” angel (in this case, Michael) would be able to communicate with him? Or perhaps the reason Zachariah was sent to get consent was because, as Cas said, not all people can hear angels and it’s just that simple. Interesting to ponder though.
Poor Sam. I feel so bad for him, but that’s not to say that I don’t fully understand Dean. I think that last scene was exceptionally well done, in a way that doesn’t offend fans of either brother (in my opinion anyways). I know there was a lot of concern regarding Dean being “angry” at Sam and many people thought that was unfair, etc. of Dean. I didn’t get a lot of anger from Dean, so much as pure, unadulterated hurt. He was very emotional and he understands that Sam was sorry – even wants to forgive and forget – he acknowledged that very clearly – but at the same time he recognized that things wouldn’t be like they were before, there is a broken trust – we know Dean is all about the family thing and Sam, to Dean’s view, abandon him. Sammy – poor, poor Sammy. He’s got a long journey ahead to forgive himself – it’s very clear he feels guilty. My heart just broke when “Bobby” told him to loose his number. Both brothers are clearly very changed by the events of last season, on many levels. These boys kill me! The end scene was pitch perfect, in my opinion.
Alice, I too was very much in love with the exchange between Lucifer and Nick. It’s become very clear just why Lucifer is going to be not as cut and dry evil a character – but much more sympathetic that his underlings. I can’t wait for more!
Overall, I thought this was a great episode and I can’t wait for both the review(s) and recaps!
Their back!
Like most Kripke penned episodes, I thought this was kind of overstuffed, but overall was worth the wait. Some of the reveals were pretty fantastic.
I am really glad that they sort got that end speech out of the way. I was a little nervous that we would have several episodes of Dean being passive-aggressive before he said anything. This way it’s been said, now lets get on with things.
I am slightly confused about all that talk at the end of last season about Sam changing and becoming a monster. Are we to assume that whatever got them out of the convent also reversed that? (I know he mentioned that he felt fine) If so, that kind of sucks.
Thought of some more. I loved Nick and his wife/Lucifer. He broke my heart, and she was just fantastic. The way she reacted to her saying she was Lucifer was pretty amusing. Also, the way he got Nick to agree (I can’t give you back your family, but I can give you something else you want…justice) is exactly how Ruby got Sam to use his powers.
Thought the fangirl was pretty darn cute. I was surprised that they showed her writing…you know what. I am pretty sure that most of the viewers would have been perfectly happy to never have that image put into their head.
Bobby being paralyzed…yikes. I have no idea where they could be going with this.
THUNDERSTRUCK
This episode kinda left me a little confused… (am thinking I was too excited about the premier and hyped it up in my mind)
I loved that we got new stuff and new questions and new shots of the guys 🙂
But there were one too many things that irked me
1. Bobby getting possesed. Wasnt he the one who gave the guys the anti possession charms?
2. The whole plane rescue thing was simply wierd, seemed rather random
3. And Sam seemed awefully well adjusted about what he did. I mean he knocked out Bobby the last time they met and here they greeted like old friends?
Aw, I dont want to whine :sad:, but I had to get all that out of my system…
On the flip side, that final scene was made of WIN!!
You know when you wait so long for something and you try not to let your expectations get too high because you truly do feel like you are going to be disappointed because they are already way too high? Then you tell yourself to stop looking, watching and reading all the spoilers but you just can’t and you just don’t and you really do it thinking i am so ruining this for myself? Then you are upset that you live in Australia and while all these people are watching the premiere you are sitting at work absolutely dying for the hours to go by, willing yourself not to go on any forum to read what happened but failing dismally and now knowing everything that happened? Then once you do get home, you have to wait to turn on the computer because today of all days, the ONLY day this has ever happened to you (me) in your whole entire life, your electricity just has to be interupted – ‘essentially’ and you have already waited like a lifetime…then, THEN you finally, finally get to download it and finally get to watch it and you realise everything you did, everything you expected, everything you wanted you get and you get more and never in your wildest dreams could you believe that something could be so much better than….your wildest dreams.
i LOVED it! loved, loved, loved it! It doesn’t even matter that my first download ran out at 35mins. and i had to download it all over again….my life is happy. Happy, happy, happy. Those guys, this show is amazing.
ok so i got up at 5am to watch the episode (i’m in london sue me!) and now i’m late for work!
i so nearly had a heart attach when i thought they’d killed Bobby! i knew something was wring with Bobby when he rejected Sam and I screamed i knew it when it turned out he was possessed.
The devil was just great creepy and cruel and using people’s own emotions to manipulate them but without ever lying to them – i love this devil!
about Dean’s last speech am i the only person who saw it as a positive thing? I mean they could spend time awkwardly avoiding the subject they have got it out in the open and everyone knows once you’ve said it you can begin to deal with it – not that it’s going to be easy, my heart broke a little at sam’s face when Dean said he didn’t trust him -oh boys!
Oh and Cas rules – talk about a man on a mission!
so happy spn is back i might have to declare my undying love for kripke!
this episode was prety spectacular granted it was no ‘lazarus rising’ or ‘in my time of dying’ my two favourite supernatural season openers but it was no slouch either! [unlike one opener i know of. yes im looking at you ‘magnificent seven’]
the episode had a nice brisk fast pace to it with some very nice character moments to even it out. if I had one complaint in the episode and other then this i dont really find anything wrong with it. its the obsessed sam fan I got the gags and it was alittle funny but the actress got on my nerves and almost played it into near parody.
now the villains! and boy has this show got some ones. first zachariah. i really like watching this guy act. yes hes a douchbag providing ample pain and anguish for the whinchesters. but the actor is dam good at being a douch bag!. I havent seen a villain on the show who is that interesting since fredric lehnes incredible performance as azazel in season 2. although nowhere near that good [and I have high hopes for mark palegrino to take up that mantel]
and meg! boy had I missed her! and the new actres was great! (If they found a actress like that to play ruby her part of last seasons storyline would have been much richer) and it was most likely on purpose but i liked how she acted exactly like what she was like in season 1. everything identicle the way she tilted her neck to the side and reveled in the suffering she was inflicting on the whinchesters [shes the perfect anti-castiel. castiel observes as if he is looking into each persons soul hoping to find something searching. he is perplexed at why alot of humans act the way they do while meg is more like ‘meh I dont care! but its fun seeing this pain i love it’
great acting from jared and jensen and i think all of us were prety torn on that final scene. that scene again sums up why i love this show so much. the writers dont just automaticly repair the brothers and sweep the issues under the rug and start telling stories about the apocalypse and all. cause a lesser show would have done that. but it internalises everything that happends and carrys it along. i havent been apart of the forum scene for long so i was shocked when i herd of the dean and sam fans. and how the sam fans get annoyed when dean gets more screen time in the mythology. cause to me they both get the same ammount. either one brothers story be in the front and the others will be right below the surface. and i prefer it when they do that cause it doesnt spell it out and say ‘sam and dean are feeling this and that’ they alow the viewers to notice it. that makes me happy cause i hate a show that calls the viewers dumb.
Squee!! I really loved this episode! I didn’t get a decent night’s sleep I was so desperate to watch the show (I live in the UK) and I really felt that the episode was worth the wait.
I am really glad that they didn’t just push the animosity between the brothers to one side, it makes sense that they would have issues and I am glad Dean finally gave it to Sam. I think Sam needed to know how hurt Dean felt (and while yes, it was something he was expecting to head, it hurt him no less to hear it.) I am looking forward to seeing what happens as the season goes on.
Cas kicked ass this episode! Admittedly I spent a lot of the episode wondering when Cas was going to arrive and save Dean’s ass but I am so happy it happened the way it did. Castiel seems to have grown up a bit now, I think helping Dean and being saved by God probably made him see the bigger picture xD
The Dean as a vessel thing was quite cool, and I am thinking rather along the same lines as Elle, that angels might be vessel-specific and that’s why Dean couldn’t hear Cas in LR (and Anna was an angel, so it makes sense as to why she could hear them all.) I didn’t see Dean being a vessel coming, but I think it is quite cool 🙂
I love the scene with Nick and Lucifer, I really felt quite sorry for Nick; he is broken down and suffering and Lucifer totally appealed to a weaker part of him that really wouldn’t like anything more than justice. I am looking forward to seeing more of Mark Pelligrino in this role.
Bobby-I feel quite slow for not realising Bobby wasn’t quite Bobby at first xD (I think I had been expecting him to shout at Sammy, though telling him to lose his number was quite harsh) and I gasped so loud when he attacked Dean/stabbed himself (which begs to question, if Dean is the vessel for the archangel Michael, how come he isn’t protected the same way Chuck is when someone threatens his life? Wouldn’t the archangel want to make sure his vessel stayed alive?).
Quite a lot happened in this episode, which I liked just fine, it seemed to set the scene for the rest of the season to pan out quite well, I am so excited for S5 as a whole, it is looking to be really good xD I can’t wait for the next episode now!
I am so glad this show is back!
Everyone seems to have beat me to my comments so in the spirit of not boring everyone to tears,
C’mon Kripke, no love for the superior Bon Scott years? Problem Child would have worked!
Zachariah: now *that* is being a Grade A dick. Glad to see it.
Castiel: now *that* is being a Grade A badass mofo. Glad to see it.
Meg: glad she is back, but strangely quick recognition by Dean.
The slash scene can only result in, as Alice said, “Kripke you magnificent bastard.”
There did seem to be a bit of a rush to impart so much information, but the Bobby twist and the idea of Dean being the vessel for heaven’s, well, version of Dean, is goddamn cool. And the Big Cheese is apparently back from his tropical vacation. As has been said, sure, it’s not Lazarus Rising, and there was so much stuff that could have been expanded into a two-parter but it was at worst a solid A- and of course the end was wonderfully brutal.
oh my GEEZ! It was freaking amazing! Loved all the new reveals. Was a little confused at the beginning with the whole plane rescue but I do think that Cas was implying it was God who rescued them. Loved that Cas kicked ass!
Pike Creek, Delaware….I live in Delaware so YEAH! And how many times I have flown in and out of Baltimore Washington airport. So that was really cool for me!
Poor Sammy! My heart is breaking for him. And lets not forget that Dean did jump start the apocolypse so he does have his share of blame in this. I so did love the last scene. They both did such a good job portraying the hurt and betrayal.
So excited for S5!
How could you not love it? Uncle Bobby didn’t die, and still loves his boys, Cas kicks angel ass, twisted fangirls grope Sam, Dean can forgive Sammy for the apocalypse, but not for not putting family first, and Ellen’s coming back! Also, I’m vindicated. I called this (well, something kind of like this) way back in “Houses of the Holy”. There was a scene where Dean stood silhouetted in front of a stained glass window of Michael, talking about his disbelief in God and angels. I’ve been saying ever since that there was some sort of ‘warrior angel’ connection for Dean, even if it seemed only symbolic until S4. Remember how Cas seemed so disappointed when Dean wasn’t able to hear his voice? As for Sam losing his powers, his ‘psychic’ gift vanished after the YED’s death, so maybe his demon-casting powers winked out with Ruby..maybe these things vanish when the demon-blood that sparked them dies?
I adore the new Meg. There’s a nice, snarky demon bitch back in town!
As for Sam’s non-addiction issues… it was only like a day or two ago since he last had demon blood. To quote him in 4.16, “Ruby, it’s been weeks, I need it.” I think he’s going to have withdrawal issues in the future.
That said? I love this episode, and this made me laugh out loud:
Chuck: Sam, you’re okay!!
Sam: Well… my head hurts.
Wow, honestly i loved this episode, i live in the uk so i didnt get to watch it till later and i have been so excited waiting for it 🙂 so glad its back.
I dont know if anyone else noticed but at the very start of the episode when Dean sent the angels away the blood was in his left hand and when he turned around he placed his right hand on the wall so when he took it off there was no blood on the wall.
lol. thought i would just point that out.
I LOVED Cas’s entrance it was so kickass 😛
I liked seein Bobby and Chuck in this. I thought it was great that bobby could get himself together to stop the demon in him from killing Dean 🙂 thought it was sweet. and i didnt no he was a demon a first too lol 😛
I think that the Nick thing was great, Lucifer really messed with his head tho didnt he, i mean yea he told him the truth but he made it seem not so bad if you no what i mean lol :/ he used the mans dead wife to soften him down tho didnt he.
I’m so glad that Meg is back, but dont ask me why lol she was always funny i think lol :S i thought it was weird how Sam new straight away that it her..
I reckon this was a kinda funny episode especially with the fan girl lol hahaa 😀 She was all over Sam lol he was like ‘Can you quit touching me?’ and shes like ‘no’ lol hahaa v. funny 😛
I think having Dean as a vessel is great I reckon its gunna be a great season to be honest.
And of course the ending was great Jensen and Jared are SOO good 🙂 makes me cry everytime they do a seen like this :’)
Kripke, you’ve done it again.
I reckon this season is gunna be amazing 😛
Loved it,loved it loved it!
I cried at Bobby disowing Sam, then bounced up and down at Cas finally owing a fight (LOL), then cheered at Dean taking on the world, then cried AGAIN for them both at Dean saying he didn’t trust him.
I like the new Meg, there is definately a similarity to how Nikki Acox played the part which was good to see.
Only negative? The bit where the fan is writing wincest made me squick a lot, not sure it needed to be there TBH.
Oh my Gawd! I loved it! I didn’t think it could live up to my hopes, but it was AWESOME!
Any show that can get me hollering at the TV has got to be awesome.
When Meg showed up. When Cas arrived and kicked angel ass. When Bobby was OOC and scared me that they were killing him off. Hope his paralysis can be cured. If God saved the boys at the beginning maybe he can fix up Bobby? He deserves the best.
When Dean sent Zach and his cronies away.
Dean telling Sam he no longer trusts him. Sam had to hear that. Hopefully he will finally realize the hurt he has caused his brother. Seems to me he has been far too self-centred since the start of the show and hardly ever considered Dean’s feelings as something to be concerned with. Just too much taking Dean for granted. Dean’s been there for Sammy since Sam was six months old, so I guess it was just something he depended on without really thinking about it. Love Sam and want him to finally realize what a precious treasure his brother is and how lucky he is to have him. Hope they get close again this season.
Love hating Zachariah. What a great actor Kurt Fuller is. He makes me despise that nasty angel and his and Dean’s encounters are golden.
Possessed Bobby drove the Impala back to the boys if I am not mistaken. It was left at his house when Dean was abducted to The Green Room in the finale last year.
Great start to season 5. You magnificent bastard, Kripke!
Wow, so much to absorb. Definitely need to watch it a few more times.
Once just never seems to be enough. One of the many reason I love this show.
The ending was heartbreaking but expected. I new Dean was trying to hold his true feelings in. His reactions seem to speak louder than words. He didn’t step in to stop Bobby, when he laid into Sam about starting the apocalypse. He just stood there watching. Even with Bobby’s comment about John being right and they probably should not of tried to save Sam, Dean didn’t really try to argue the point.
It was really sad to watch.
Looks like the brothers are trying to take a “No more secrets and no more Lies†approach. I hope they can stick with it. I think staying honest, despite how it may hurt, is the best way for them to heal.
The only issue I had was Bobby being possessed. It really surprised me. The possibility just never occurred to me. I mean of all people to let his guard down and get possessed.
It just seemed so out of character for me.
Mind you I did feel the same way in season 4, with the whole Seal issue. The fact that our two main research guru’s Bobby and Sam never found the scriptures for the breaking of the first and final seals, didn’t quite ring true to me either. I would of thought Bobby for sure would found the information on the final seal and how to stop it. It had to of been written somewhere since Alister, Ruby and Castiel all had cited at least one of the scriptures…. “And so it is written…â€
But that’s just me.
I’m so excited to once again get back on the “Kripke Rollercoaster Rideâ€.
Another season of twist, turns, angst, laughs and having my emotions completely exposed and tossed from one end to another.
And loving every minute of it.
Wow. What a pace, EK covers a lot of ground in this one. Just watched the premiere again! I did wonder, wouldn’t Bobby have gotten a tattoo to stave off possession ages ago, like the boys?
Just took a look at the ratings though, so now I’m feeling a little blue…even with the Vampire Diaries doing well (I watched the pilot but have to admit I was kind of bored…). IDK. Anyway, I’m still really excited for season 5
Just finished watching, and wow 😀
Sam and Dean transported to a plane just in time, Sam apparently cured, Cas didn’t die (and by the way loved kick ass Cas 🙂 ) , wanna guess who’s (probably) in the house?
Crazy fan!! laugh my heart out 😀 😀 😀
Dean a vessel? I didn’t see that coming, but wouldn’t be a lot more fun if Dean were Michael itself?? Yes I’m babbling but what did you expect? Afterall I just finished watching, so no coherent thoughts yet!
And that ending? I wanted to give those two a hug, they really, really needed one! (why do you do this with us Kripke??)
Waiting for your recap Alice!
LOL–“funpocalypse.” My new favorite word. Alice, thanks a bunch for the ratings analysis–it’s great to have a place to turn for thorough & reliable info
@Karen, I thought about seal thing too and my take on it is think of it as akin to Ruby’s knife: even the Almighty Font of Knowledge and Wisdom, Bobby, had no clue about the existence of the thing, and I feel it’s the same deal with the seals (there’s almost a poem in there).
We know that the demons have their own religion, their own god, as they themselves have pointed out, therefore, it would stand to assume that they have their own sacred texts and apocrypha. And unless a human went to hell and managed to NOT be tortured long enough to read these things at the local branch of Satan’s County Library System, well there you go. And since the angels were dicks until Castiel in Lucifer Rising, even if they knew, they sure as hell weren’t going to tell any mud monkeys. 😎
I’m with you on the possession thing, though. Maybe Bobby forgot to put his charm back on after doing the dishes. Given his personal history and his carefulness, he’s the last person I’d expect. Yes, done for dramatic effect, and we all screw up from time to time, but still surprising.
I loved it! I was half-expecting when they were switching radio stations that “Lucifer Rising” by Candlemass would start playing.
I love Lucifer, he feels like he’s real. If he was like all demons, he wouldnt be so good.
Okay, I’m coherent.
First, LOVED the new title screen–the blood, oh, the blood. And I love how the title effects are different for every season, emulating the tone and whatnot. Nice.
Second, LOVED it all. Especially the dynamics between Sam and Bobby (BTW, should have known it wasn’t Bobby because, as he crossed in front of the Impala, he wasn’t wearing his hat. Bobby ALWAYS wears his hat–except when he’s sleeping–see “Dream A Little Dream of Me.”) When Bobby laid into Sam, I thought, “So this is the straw that breaks the camel’s back.” At the same time, and it has been brought up many times here, why didn’t B have an anti-possession tattoo or charm like the boys? Did he really think no demon would target him? Come on, Bobby. Then again, how long was that demon in him in the first place?
Sam and his puppy dog eyes. Ouch.
As Mae wrote: ‘Does Bobby know that Dean jump-started the breaking of the Seals?’
Good question. I can’t remember if Dean ever said anything, but … It should come up again in the series that Dean started this. Not just being the torturer in Hell, but also in his recklessness to bring Sam back to life in AHBL 2. (Off topic: Does anyone else think Ava should have killed Sam in AHBL 1? For one, Ava and Sam had that history of her saving his life in ‘Hunted’; Jake killing Ava came out of no where; and then after she opens the Devil’s Gate, Sam killing Ava would have been that much more powerful. Back to topic.)
The last scene hurt so good and the Impala was there to witness it all. Also, I swear someone has a fanfic out there about Dean being a vessel (just have to find it)–and HOW is Dean a vessel? “It’s in your blood,” tends to be the reason, but … how? HOW? HOW?! And speaking of fanfic: ROFLMAO–she needs to get a life. Zach is a delicious bastard; Cas ROCKED!!!!–didn’t you just love that sword?; and God is there. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow.
Next, Ellen returns. Rufus leaves the house. And episode two can’t get here fast enough.
*ovation*
Re: Bobby’s possession & ?lack of tattoo: Who knows? maybe Bobby harbors a deep-seated fear of contracting hepatitis C. Mae’s take on it makes sense to me–I’m just telling myself he had one and the demons ganged up on him and branded his tattoo or cut it or something. hey, sometimes you gotta fill in the blanks yourself.
Seems to me like the demons were testing how damaged Sam & Dean’s relationship is by gauging Dean’s reactions to stuff Bobby said. Cue ominous music.
Oh, and I really hope Bobby doesn’t end up in a wheelchair from here out–it’d drive him crazy & break my heart. Dean’s too.
I took some deep thought into it and the sam storyline with sam taking a action that he thinks is right and it blows up in his face leaving big consequences reminds me of angel and the wesley arc in s3 when wesley decoded a prophecy where angel would kill his son.
coupled with the fact that he was jelous of gunn being with fred he steels connor gets his throat cut by justine and abandoned by the gang who stick with angel.
although real different i do see resemblance in the arcs. but any case I bet supernatural is gonna do the drug adiction metaphore arc way better then buffy did with willow.
[oh and btw alice thanks for that other post. I myself was wondering if there were any male supernatural fans because so far i seen female fans. and the male fans that i have read reviews of pretty much dont get or understand the show in the way i and as it looks alot of females do.]
There certainly is some similarity between the arcs and even the season itself, which seemed more like Buffy/Angel in the context of the arc playing out at least piecemeal through each episode, and less like X-Files where there’s a hardcore mythology ep, then a bunch of standalones. At least that’s the vibe I get when compared to seasons 1-3.
Re: addiction. I think Supernatural handled/will handle it better than Buffy mainly because Amy was a secondary character, here the dynamic is between Sam and Dean, and the villains are a bit more potent, if less comic. And sure, there were the Scoobies, but the situation just feels darker here, even forgetting for a moment the backdrop of the apocalypse.
Us guy fans exist and of course we understand the show. We’re not spending any time drooling at the screen, thus more time for quiet reflection. 😎
No way Alice. That is where we live…Laurel, DE. What a small world!
lol you hit the nail on the head randal I think the fact that supernatural has less main characters one reason its so strong. buffy/angel has 5 to 7 main characters. and struggles really hard to service each one in a proper way. and tended to focus on 3 characters specifically and alienate the rest. a prime example is spike/buffy in the final season most of it was focused on them alienating the rest. [not that it bothered me with spike cause he was my favourite character]
another thing is angel/buffy alot of the time abandoned character drama to service the plot. prime example was the wesley arc on angel. when gunn went out with fred causing wesleys jelousey the arc was only really good cause of the change of wesley but the problem here is the actors of fred/gunn had no chemistry together and there relationship came off as borring unromantic and it was like the storyline and turned into a cheesey ripoff of the movie save the last dance.
and with buffy i really liked dawns character but her character was so underused and had no place writers were too light in writing her. back to supernatural every character gets serviced apropriately. sam and deans story is always at center stage with the plot weaving into the character drama not the other way around.
and yes I agree supernatural has finally found a groove where the switch between standalone and mythology episodes isnt as noticable or disorienting like s1- 2. but season 3 tended to move more towards s4 in tone. you see more of what made s4 so special starting to come together in that season. and anybody can say what they will about s3 and its strike shortened season but i think the strike was a blessing in disguise giving them to really work out the kinks and create a phenomenal season.
Bloody Hell! That was worth waiting for … I’m a wreck!
I don’t know where to start … 2 minutes to midnight, woebegon Chuck, hateful Zach, possessed Bobby ( didn’t see it coming at all, colour me thick … ) Kickass Cas ( happy sigh ) Loved Becky the Slasher ( my pooter froze on the actual dirty bits so I didn’t get the full force like you’all did! ) So-convincing Lucifer … definitely going to be trouble with that silver tounge ( weird thing, when the baby was crying my chicken cat … The rescue one that is terrified of every thing in the whole wide world that isn’t ham, came out from behind her plant and growled at the moniter with all her fur on end … ) Tough-egg-Angel-condom Dean and Kicked-puppy-guilt-fest Sam with lashings of extra angst.
Deep joy, basically! 😀 😀 😀 😀
First reaction: Holy jdbkdb#@$%hdjsvgj$%#@#&!!!
After breathing for a bit:
I agree with some of you that it felt a bit rough at some spots, but I forgive it considering how big a mess they left last season, they had a lot to explain.
Bobby and Cas were awesome. Cas finally won a fight! And I bet Bobby scares the hell out of his doctors hahah.
Sam and Dean..*sniff, sniff*..ouch. Angel condom, shiny Impala, puppy-groping, and everything, everything else…uhm, I sense incoherency creeping back…I think I should go to bed now. But I’ll come back should I magically acquire some deep thinky-thoughts about the episode.
Overall: Thunderstruck!
lol no worries alice on the buffy part because i only started watching buffy about hmmm 4 months ago and i finished the series in about 2-3 months.[i know i got too much time on me hands] and i been watching angel alongside it starting season 4. [am on final season of angel] i did give buffy a go a few years back actually. i watched the first season but wasnt thrilled with it. and i continued the first half of season 2 [which really sucks] and i gave up on it. [and it was only about 2 episodes before the show got good too!] and the reason why I gave in and started buying the sets? well i like showrunners like eric kripke/joss whedon /ron moore. who have a vision and are specific on what they want there show to be and that they have a passion and to see that passion on screen.
in some cases it takes longer to see it. when i read up about joss and about how he saw the stupid 90s cliches of the women geting stabbed in the alleyway and wanted to go against that and have that blonde girl being more then capable of defending herself [watch the ep go fish on buffy its a stupid ep but there are some hillarious riffs that go against the norm like the jock asking buffy to walk him home for protection!] and so i like anything that goes against cliches and is its own beast. so i picked it up and im a real big fan now lol. although (and as i read like many fans) it wasnt until i felt the impact of the season 2 finale becoming prts 1 and 2. that i really understood it and fell in love with the show.
[i think i also checked it out cause i was having supernatural withdrawl symptoms! lol]
Well, it was fine episode.
I watched it and enjoyed it, even as I did not like new Meg (those things that Nicky made naturally, she made like… a parodist?) and I really bought Bobby’s “I want you to lose my number”.
I mean, it was weird, unbobbylike, but I thought “How great, they are really showing us that starting the apocalypse is BIG deal!Even Bobby is angry! Kripke does that thing often, mistreats character’s… character? (is that the right word? or is “personality” better?) to get the story going.”
Well, it seems, Bobby is even more Bobby than I thought (forgiving as Santa Claus) and maybe there will be some other girl for Meg. Or she may get better with practice. No real damage done.
Later, when I started to think about stuff, there were lots of things that I disliked (pacing, huge problems ignored and handwaved, random events and phrases used) but The Awesomeness of the last scene, The Awesomeness of Lucifer and his Vessel, The Awesomeness of Sam and Dean and The Awesomeness of The Angel Condom gave me what I was looking for and the hell with all the rest.