Promo Clip: Supernatural 10.22
Here’s the promo clip that for next week’s episode. I know that several didn’t get to see it tonight, so we’re posting it tonight.
The episode name is “The Prisoner”. Care to speculate?
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All poop set loose now – I have a feeling Dean’s gonna lock Sam up. He aint happy with his bro at the moment. Dean’s on a rampage, and it ain’t gonna be sorted out this season
I assume if you are on this pg You have seen Dark Dynasty. It was a great episode and very emotional. I was one of the rare fans who liked Charlie :(:(:( Bye Felicia Day
This has put a curly twist into eveything – Frankenstein Family WOW they are really going for it (SPN) Next seasons gonna be radical, I really can’t see the mark being cured by seasons end now. And I wonder what Charlie’s demise is going to do to the brother’s relationship. Its going to be a long hard slog from here.
As I metioned I still think Sam is going to be a Prisoner either of Dean’s to protect him or because his so pissed off he just wonts him out the way so he can settle everything himself. The look in Dean’s eyes when he looked at Sam while they were burning Charlie’s body was pure hate whether directed directly at Sam or all the Stein’s. This is getting bad I do won’t my old Dean back – fans might find this exciting and Yes I do too in a way but it really hurts as well – wish I could help them :(:(:( My other is Sam could become a prisoner of the Stein’s one way they think they can protect themselves from Dean maybe, but maybe Dean just won’t care he is way out of control
Also I wonder who Rowenna’s secret demon lover is – someone knew or someone we met before. Could Rowenna be in with the Stein Family ?? She had to be hiding out somewhere
Looks Great,
hope I wont be let down.
Welp! This is the Dean we should have been seeing for years now.
Yes, but he still only appears to be killing “those that deserve it” so MoC or no MoC Dean’s moral code remains intact, which makes me wonder why they even bothered to give him the MoC in the first place?
So we could see that Sam was the “real monster” while Dean, even after having taken on a cursed mark is stalwart and true?
Sadly, I think you’re right. They wouldn’t dare show Dean doing anything controversial or actually interesting. Honestly, the mytharc is wasted on Dean if they never plan on actually having him do anything.
And Cas couldn’t save her because why? He has his grace back. It makes ZERO sense that he couldn’t have jumped into his pimp mobile driven to the hotel in like 10 minutes and revived her. Or in a pinch, Sam and Dean haul her over to where Cas and Rowena are and he heals her THERE. IT MAKES NO SENSE. Sam and Dean didn’t even try to save her. Adam was revived by angels after he’d been dead for over a year, you’d think Cas could do it if it was within say half an hour. I hate nonsense like this.
Well we don’t know why Cas can’t save her yet. He doesn’t know she’s dead as of the end of the episode. Can’t wait for the explanation though.:(
[edit]Never mind, I made this post before I saw the promo for next week. I was a little upset and totally forgot to watch it until now. 2 hrs later. This is going to be a week I don’t look forward to here.:(
Well, unlike Dean, Sam is likely to be willing to let Charlie go and he may object. I mean why not make Sam even more responsible for Charlie being dead? it’s the right decision in terms of the universe and trying to at least keep some semblance of the natural order, and Sam looks like a jerk to boot. Win/win for the writers but not for me.
No, I hate the writing that never had one person tell Dean he was wrong to help Gadreel possess, only that he trusted the wrong angel. I hate the writing that refused to have Sam talk about what being possessed was like. And I hate the writing that has had everyone and their brother jumping on Sam before anything happened with the BOTD just so when things went wrong and Charlie died, we would all know it was Sam’s fault. I hate that the show has absolutely zero good people support Sam and that every good character provides unqualified support to Dean. I hate that the show was clear that Charlie and Cas would do this for Dean, not because they both know that the Mark signifies killing your brother and they don’t want Sam to be murdered.
Not sure why you would think I would like Sam to feel awful and look bad. I would disagree that Sam would be likely to let a recently slaughtered Charlie go if Cas could have helped her! Personally I am not sure, as much as I love Charlie, that I would have liked another cop-out resurrection.
My remark about Sam being less willing to bring people back was the ENTIRE POINT of season 8, when he was lambasted for not trying to resurrect Dean. Sam never sold his soul to get anyone back from the dead*. Sam objected to being brought back from the dead. I don’t see that characterizing Sam as behaving the way he has behaved for 10 seasons is mischaracterizing Sam, noting that Dean has worked to bring Sam back twice, Charlie once and Cas once which means he has historically been more likely to bring people back against the natural order. I was trying to point out that THIS time Dean MAY have Sam, who has repeatedly expressed the idea that he was willing to die and MAY argue that point. That would cover the “why don’t they ask Cas to bring Charlie back” question. If you prefer to think that Cas refuses, or that Dean suddenly announces that he doesn’t care if Charlie is resurrected that’s fine.
I didn’t accuse YOU of anything. I may have replied to the wrong person, since my comment fits more with cheryl’s saying we don’t know why he says no in which case I apologize for making you think I was addressing you. It’s hard to say because I think I replied before you edited your comment. In any case, unless you are Eugenia Ross-Lemming or Brad Buckner or a writer on staff I don’t see how my comment implied YOU are responsible for the writing. I specifically said [b] Win/win for the WRITERS but not for me.[/b]
*Just so you don’t jump all over me, Sam did offer to sell his soul get Dean back from Hell, but failed. We don’t know exactly WHAT he wanted when he called for Crowley at the end of last season.
I am seriously confused by your post.
[quote] If you prefer to think that Cas refuses, or that Dean suddenly announces that he doesn’t care if Charlie is resurrected that’s fine.
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What??? I have no idea where this is coming from. Or most of your post. I am NOT happy about this development in the storyline. I forsee fandom wars which I hate.
I wouldn’t jump all over you. I only ever got upset with you is if you get too unfairly harsh about Dean, one of two characters I love very much. I have still, to this day, never said a harsh word about Sam and yet I am treated like an adversary. I didn’t even know why you replied to me as my original reply to E was along the lines of “maybe” Cas could still bring Charlie back because it was only seconds after Charlies death that the show ended, then I saw the promo and realized that wasn’t going to happen. Maybe you should have replied to Cheryl.
“unlike Dean” seemed like an unnecessary dig at Dean but trying to give you the benefit of the doubt I edited that out so as not to fan the fires of an already pissed fandom.
I have apologized to you twice. I don’t know why you seem to need to beat me over the head with this. I’m sorry I responded to the wrong person in the first place. I’m sorry that when I apologized to you I then, wrongly responded to this [quote]I would disagree that Sam would be likely to let a recently slaughtered Charlie go if Cas could have helped her![/quote]
As I see it there are only a few explanations the show can use to not have Cas bring Charlie back if Cas is AS YOU STATED able to bring her back. 1) Sam sticks by what he did after season seven and talks Dean out of bringing Charlie back again, because it is against the natural order and what Bobby told them when he died. 2) Dean decides on his own to not ask Cas to bring Charlie back. 3) Cas announces that bringing the dead back is wrong. I suspect the writers either haven’t given it any thought or that they will suddenly announce that Cas CAN’T bring back the dead. But that wasn’t what you presented.
I apologized twice. I’m apologizing again. I am sorry that my comments were so distressing to you. I did not aim them at you. They were part of a discussion that I handled badly. I don’t know what you want. I do know that I have read and reread my responses to you and each and every time I have said what I thought about the situation. I haven’t told you your interpretation was wrong. I haven’t called you out. I’ve stated my opinion and repeatedly said that I was obviously not expressing things properly so that I didn’t offend you. I didn’t say mistakes were made. I said flat out I made mistakes and that I wasn’t directing anything at you. I’m sorry you are so angry with me. I’m sorry that my comments made you so angry. I stand by my beliefs about the POTENTIAL reasons that Cas may not bring back Charlie. I do not apologize for what I think about the show, only that I failed to present my arguments in a way that didn’t upset you.
I tried to offer an olive branch in my LATEST post to you below and tell you why I was confused Percysowner. That’s all, just trying to explain it from MY perspective. I have not said one time in all this I was offended, or angry, nor was I trying to beat you over the head. It was my attempt at an apology. I said “lets just chalk it up to a misunderstanding”. The ABOVE post you just just replied to, was made some time before when I was still trying to figure out what was going on. My latest post is below was an attempt to mend fences. I’m sorry you didn’t see it as such. I give up.
Percy I am sorry my post was interpreted the way it was. All I meant was as of the end of last nights episode Castiel doesn’t know that Charlie is dead so he doesn’t know that she needs to be healed/saved/resurrected yet. I was wondering what the explanation for that was going to be in the next episode (if we get one at all). Sorry if that looked offensive.
You didn’t offend me. I was simply coming up with an explanation for why Cas wouldn’t resurrect Charlie. Apparently I offended other people with my conjectures. Don’t worry, I’ve asked Alice to look at what I said and tell me if I was that much over the line. You did nothing wrong.
Seriously Percysowner I don’t know what your problem is! I wasn’t offended, I just had no idea what you were going on about. I wasn’t involved in this discussion whatsoever. All I said was something to E (not you) that I later edited because after seeing the promo because it was a moot point. It was just something about maybe Cas still having time to save her. I still don’t know what prompted “Well unlike Dean, Sam is likely willing to let Charlie go” so I responded to that by saying I didn’t think Sam would let a “slaughtered” Charlie go if he could prevent it. I am still unsure what set you off (not the content, just why you seemed annoyed at me for some reason) I wasn’t engaging with you on any of the points you brought up in your post so that didn’t make sense to me and still doesn’t. Except I thought Sam would elect to save Charlie if Cas had shown up. And YOU were the one who brought that up, not me. I just don’t get it. Sorry. I’d like to know what I did wrong.
I told you that I was responding to the question why wouldn’t Cas heal Charlie. I noted that I was trying to come up with an explanation as to why Cas wouldn’t heal Charlie. When you took offense I told you that I had posted under the wrong comment and it wasn’t directed at you in any way. When cheryl said she was sorry if I offended her, I stated that she hadn’t that [b]I[/b],ME, PERCYSOWNER was the poster who had offended other posters, you were not mentioned and the reply was not to you. I also said that since some posters (again I didn’t use anyone’s name and you were not the only poster that I bothered) had indicated they were offended that I REPORTED MYSELF to the Mods, so they could decide if I was out of bounds. You aren’t part of this except that I have upset you. I am sorry that you seem to think this is directed at you. I truly did not intend to direct it at you or to offend you in any way.
I have tried to explain my position, but I am obviously doing a massively horrible job of it. I apologize for upsetting you.
I didn’t take offense. I didn’t understand why we seem to be having an argument. In your first reply you said you should have posted to Cheryl. OK great but then you kept replying to me so when you said this:
[quote] If you prefer to think that Cas refuses, or that Dean suddenly announces that he doesn’t care if Charlie is resurrected that’s fine. [/quote]
it was clearly addressed to ME not Cheryl. Why did you say that to me? That was so far out of left field and not in any way pertinent to the few things I did say in my posts. For the record I never ASKED the question “Why wouldn’t Cas heal Charlie?” So again confusion. All the subsequent reply’s were still addressed to ME not Cheryl and they didn’t seem to have any connection to any of MY previous posts and you seemed to be arguing a side of an argument I wasn’t a part of in the first place. It’s hard to be offended when I felt like I fell down a rabbit hole. Anyway lets chalk it up to a misunderstanding. I keep saying it’s my last post. I have no credibility now.
I was wondering how you liked the episode Leah, if you care to share. I’m always interested in your perspective.
CALLING ON LEAH, 😀
Thank you so much samandean, I kind of needed that right now. This will be my last post for awhile. I am burnt out right now. The episode was very upsetting to me. For various reasons. You know I loved Charlie (me and a few others). It was brutal and sad. I feel so awful for Sam. I don’t want the fandom to blame him for this. I don’t want the show to make it seem like Sam was in the wrong. I don’t want Dean to be too hard on him. Sadly there is always some collateral damage. Some of the other scenes were silly I thought. Crowley talking to a hamster (or whatever she is) was ridiculous. The ‘reveal’ about the Stynes was almost laughable in it’s melodramatics. As much as I love Impala talks, Sam telling Dean that Charlie loves him, that he loves him- just felt off. As sweet as it was, it didn’t ring true to me. The boys just don’t use the L word as a rule. They show it they don’t say it. Kripke would hate that! Why would Charlie leave a safe room and go to a hotel room??? To get killed obviously. I haven’t really processed it all yet. Setting aside Charlie’s death (emotionally speaking) I am not sure I even liked this episode. I would like to know what you thought about it before I go. Oh yeah, I laughed at the idea of Charlie’s little teeny tiny waiflike arm on that big Styne dude. Not last night though. Did you post your thoughts yet? I would like to read them before I go. I know we may not agree but I appreciate you asking.:)
Leah. I was no great lover of Charlie as you know but her death was upsetting because of what they did to her character in the episode the death did not feel earned, it felt shameful. The bus that runs over Sam every year decided to mow down Charlie as well. Having her suddenly loose all her hunter smarts and all her hunter skills just so they could wrench our hearts and Sam and Deans feels cheap to me. And Sam is culpable but not entirely at fault. Given the description of next weeks episode it appears Sam is already being blamed by the show. How Dean will react is anyone’s guess but I’m afraid the mark will make him react badly; he’s not in the position to be level headed ATM. I ventured out into fandom today to see how other parts of the fandom were reacting to the episode (yes I know, foolish of me) and its Sam carnage; he’s being evicerated….the killer of deans little sister. I am not sure how I’ll get through the last two episodes….Sam doesn’t enpven look like he’s in it that much, mostly just Dean going off the deep end (finally! It only took a year and a half). But… On the bright side:D:D:D its Dabb up next, and he’s been writing very well lately then carver.
E, this is the 3rd time today I was writing a comment at the same time as you. Great minds think alike.:) Is it really that bad on other sites regarding Sam? Do you ever think that because there is a much bigger Dean girl base that that explains why the plotting and writing for Sam has been so neglected/bad? I would hate to think that. Sometimes I worry that the Sam hate has factored into why Jared has battled depression at times. He seems like the kind of person who might take it to heart. He genuinely seems to want to like people and have them like him, and he really puts himself out there emotionally. So it wouldn’t surprise me if the hate doesn’t roll off his back the way it would with someone who has thicker skin. I hope I’m wrong, but these are the things I worry about when I get tired of worrying about my own problems!
I am probably overly sensitive to the comments that some people are making… so when I see “No, no, NO F-ing Moose!” or the like, I get a little peeved. Not all of them are bad, but a good dose and absolutely nothing about how Dean created this whole mess to begin with.
Re; the way the plots are going….yes, that’s exactly what I think. I think some pencil pushers in the top office said… “Hey, Dean’s the favorite! Focus on Dean, we need MORE DEAN!” And now we’ve got what we’ve got. And I DO worry that Jared takes this to heart. I think in a lot of ways Jared seems more vulnerable to this sort of thing than either Misha or Jensen… actually Jensen seems quite tough about it, brushing off most of the things that are said about him. I think it only really gets to Jensen if his wife, family and friends are attacked (and that includes Jared) and then he tends to get angry rather than hurt. I am just guessing though. I know if I was in their shoes there’d be NO social media for me… I loathe twitter on all levels and can only tolerate Facebook in small doses. I only post here as this is a safe haven for a wayward Sam girl.
Hi Leah. I posted my thoughts on the discussion page that Alice started for the episode. Just so you know, I did not gloat about Charlie. In fact, I thought it ridiculously OOC that she would leave the safe house and go to the motel. I would have been content to just have her get scared so badly that she left the hunting life for good and went back to her geeky former life. But you can read my (too-long) thoughts there if you’re interested. I’m very worried about the finale, but hoping that I’m wrong about where this is headed. Don’t stay away from the site too long. I’m noodling around possible topics because I’d like to submit another article over the hiatus, but I’m not sure my ideas are that interesting. Got any good ideas? Also, when I found out a week or so ago that there is a messaging aspect to this site, I saw and responded to your message. I hope you didn’t think I was ignoring you.
I unpublished all the replies to this. These replies all were reported, and some numerous times. Let’s try and keep it civil guys. Thanks much.
Why can’t Cas fly? Why are his wings burned out?
Cas lost his grace in Heaven. He was then sent to Earth as a human much like Anna who ripped out her grace and fell to Earth as a human. Anna hid her grace in a tree on Earth, and when she needed it, she retrieved it, used it to power up, and had full wings. Cas found his grace in a library on EARTH. He should have full wings and full powers. There is no reason his wings should be burned out!
THAT dear lala2 is the 64,000 dollar question.
When you find out, for the love of CHUCK,
please tell me.
that was handled poorly by the show. Metatron removed Castiel’s grace and sent him to earth as a human BEFORE the angels fell. Maybe his remaining grace was also damaged by Metatron’s spell and that’s why his wings are damaged?
Nice ”spin job”. They DUCKING forgot.
just like they forgot about Cas’ hand print
on Deans upper arm.
yeah yeah I know. when god healed him it went away.
yada yada yada 🙂
Hmmm . . . but that really doesn’t make sense. We saw the angels fall, and as they fell, their wings were burning up. I see Cas’s grace like Anna’s grace. Both were extracted from the angel and placed on Earth. When Anna got her grace back, she was fine. Cas should be fine too.
I honestly think the writers have forgotten their own story. Maybe they mistakenly believe Cas fell to Earth w/the rest of the angels. Haha!
I am going with the idea that the curse Metatron used burned off the wings of all angels, those in heaven (which caused them to fall) and the angels on earth which is why none of them can apparate anymore regardless of where they were. To me this isn’t too far fetched. I have a lot more problems with why Cas was unable/unwilling to heal Charlie. Dean was dead for four months before he was revived; Adam was dead for more than a year. There is zero reason for Cas to be unable to help…..well, that is until what ever lame-o reason they come up with at the start of next episode that makes no sense and that’s if they decide to address it at all. My prediction is that they’ll start with Charlie’s funeral at the start of the episode and never mention why Cas wasn’t used to revive her and he won’t be present. She’ll simply be dead and TPTB will ignore the whole thing because they no longer having enough brain cells to work their way around the problem.
I guess . . . but that still doesn’t make much sense to me. We really only know of one angel on Earth at the time, Castiel, and he was raised to Heaven for the spell. It would have been nice to hear that other angels on Earth were impacted by the spell, but I don’t recall learning of any. All the angels we saw last year were ones who had fallen from Earth. In my mind, Cas should not have burned out wings.
I do agree w/you about Cas healing Charlie. He should be able to do that, but as you said, the episode will likely start w/her hunter’s funeral.
Actually lala, your post made me think of a credible reason the writers could give for why Cas might not be able to raise the dead. Metatron used some of Cas’s grace for the spell- I think he said there’s “some” left, which doesn’t sound like much. So if the writers cared to explain, it would be pretty plausible that an angel needs his full quota of grace to be fully powered and do something as significant as raising the dead. Remember the two times Gadreel did it, it seemed to take a lot out of him. You like my theory?
I like your theory, I only wish someone on the show had said so. And when Cas got his grace back there was that big display of glowy eyes and books blasted off shelves….and didn’t Cas indicate in a recent episode that he was “All better now?” Maybe in BothD?
You’re right about what Cas said and even at the time I thought, but that’s just part of his grace, shouldn’t there be some effect of not having his full grace? So while I think the writers could use the partial grace thing to explain why Cas is not, and can never again be, at full strength (which would solve some of their problems with him as the brothers’ unbeatable ace) I DO NOT anticipate the writers ever addressing it. But if I were one of the writers, that’s one of the angles I would use to craft an interesting Cas story.
I was under the impression that there were lots of angels on earth as is per usual for them, doing whatever it is that angels do; watching over humans and battling demons as they have for eons. Cas was on earth at various times for millennia. I understood Metatrons curse to be a means to not only make the angels in heaven fall, essentially kicking them out, but also to keep all angels from returning to heaven even the ones who were relatively safe here on earth, so even their wings burned. That would make the playground entrance so much more necessary. Anyway, this is mostly head canon on my part, it wasn’t explained well in any event. Still for whatever reason this does not bother me nearly as much as “we can’t heal charlie!” or rogue reapers, the grand canyon, etc… x 1000 other examples of bashed canon lately.
It never made sense to me either. The best reason I can think of is that TPTB find it more difficult to deal with a powerful Cas who can also zap anywhere in an instant. That Cas provides too easy a solution to any problem the brothers might have. So they portray his wings as burned and simply hope the viewers don’t question it. They will never explain it, the same way they never have explained what limits there are, if any, on an angel’s ability to bring people back from the dead. I’ve been wondering about that one for years.
[quote]The best reason I can think of is that TPTB find it more difficult to deal with a powerful Cas who can also zap anywhere in an instant. That Cas provides too easy a solution to any problem the brothers might have. So they portray his wings as burned and simply hope the viewers don’t question it. [/quote]
I think this is the best explanation and probably the most likely one. Plus, it is entirely possible these writers have forgotten their own stories and simply think Cas fell w/the rest of the angels. They don’t seem to pay much attn to canon or the previous episodes/seasons.
That’s my guess as to how they plan to handle Charlie’s death… just not address why Cas didn’t heal her and hope that we don’t notice the plot hole you could drive a truck through.
Nooo no no. That was just no…everything I was afraid was going to happen. Just no…:(:o:(
EVERYBODY COMES BACK,
NOBODY DIES ON SPN
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I know Gadreel revived Cas & Charlie – what I am about to now say will confuse everybody even more. I remember in one episode, Dean asked Cas to bring somebody back, Cas said he couldn’t because he wasn’t attached to heaven – Heaven is where they get their complete powers from. ??!!
And I believe as you peoples do Cas’s wings are the way they are because he only got a small amount of his grace back from Metatron. [b]The playground – where the gate is to heaven – they use this because the Angels can’t fly I don’t know why none of them have their wings back !!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe it’s a proximity thing. Maybe the angel has to be nearby and the resurrection has to be within moments of the death. So far all revivals have been seconds after someone dies.
That’s kind of what I thought except for the two glaring exceptions- Dean and Adam. But all of the head honchos in heaven were involved in those resurrections, so maybe it requires more juice than a regular angel has to pull someone back months/years after they died. It’s as good a theory as any!
Jen, I thought that was when Bobby asked Cas to heal his legs and Cas said he couldn’t because he was cut off from those powers. But maybe there’s another time I’m not remembering.