Let’s Speculate: Supernatural 9×16 “Blade Runners”
Warning: If you have not seen tonight’s episode, “Blade Runners,” then beware spoilers ahead!
Summary: The episode begins with Sam researching the Cain and Abel story while Dean tries to contact Crowley. After a funny drunk dialing instance (where we find out that Dean is “Not Moose” in Crowley’s phone), we cut to a post-coital Crowley juicing up on some 0 negative.
Sam and Dean are trying to find Crowley as he was supposed to find the first blade in order to kill Abaddon. They even conjure a crossroads demon for it, who happens to be Nicole “Snooki” Polizzi. She doesn’t know anything and the boys exorcise her. Meanwhile, Crowley’s coitus partner, Lola, seems to be double crossing him to Abaddon. And even though Crowley seems to like crying at old Hollywood films, he’s still with it enough to figure Lola out and call for help from the Winchesters.
Sam and Dean show up and find a tweaked out Crowley carrying some premium A/B negative blood (my type and now I’m a little creeped out). They take him back to the bunker to Season 4 Sam him through withdrawals and at this point I miss Bobby’s basement o’ cool. Eventually, the boys let him into the bunker and the episode centers around finding out where the first blade went after the complicated diving demons went through to have it end up on the black market. The blade is discovered to be at the National Institute of Antiquities, after a scene where we see Crowley stealing candy and then jumping into a body to find out that information.
The gruesome scene of the episode is at the Institute where a young liberal arts major meets her end in a brutal way. After the Cougar-Director flirts with Dean, we find out that there is a remnant of the Men of Letters wandering around and he’s got the blade. Crowley points them to Cuthbert Whatshisface (sorry, didn’t write it down). The boys go to a field and then enter a wombhole into the mystical land of Cuthbert’s Magical Zoo of Supernatural Oddities. At this point, Dean reveals that he needs the first blade because he can kill Abaddon and shows off his new skin art. Cuthbert goes all The Most Dangerous Game General Zaroff on them – gets rid of Sam and keeps Dean as his prize – Dean goes with his cool blade set. During their interlude, Cuthbert shows Dean that he will be effected emotionally by holding the blade. Then he ties Dean up and we have some serious weirdness going on with Cuthbert and his collectible kink.
We find Sam outside near Crowley and of course Sam figures out a way to get back in. Sam and Crowley reenter the womb quietly but Cuthbert’s many splendid creatures turns out to be stocked with shapeshifters that trick Sam. Cuthbert starts to torture Sam and Brother Dean gets upset. Crowley sneaks in and frees Dean, who goes Purgatory Dean on Cuthbert’s head with the blade. Several moments pass while Dean is as juiced up on blade running as Crowley was juiced up on human blood in the beginning. Finally, through a cool sound effect, Dean hears Sam telling him to drop the blade, which he does.
The episode ends with the most tragic of injuries – Abaddon’s peeps have KEYED BABY! Now if Dean didn’t want to kill her before…Well the keyed message was in Enochian and tells Crowley to “Be Afraid. Your Queen.” Cool that the demons are writing in angel tongue…I guess? Of course getting the blade is not that easy – Crowley paralyzes the boys, as he often does, and takes the blade. He states that he’ll keep the blade and they’ll find Abaddon. He doesn’t trust them not to kill him. This is so Crowley. And remember that season 5/6 Crowley led to end of Season 6/7 Crowley, who was a bastard. Don’t let the Casablanca crying fool you.
End episode…next week, Henry returns!
Speculations and questions for the week:
I really liked this episode and it’s left me with some speculations/questions.
Are Abaddon and Crowley really enemies? I’m getting a strong Season 4 Ruby/Lillith vibe from them, but I could be wrong.
I know the Enochian thing has been explained but I really really really think that Crowley is something other than a demon. I just think that and again, I could be wrong.
The Sam emotion in the final scene with Dean was telling and hopefully shows what we can expect as Dean goes darker and deeper.
What happened to the poor creatures left behind in Cuthbert’s zoo? Who’s gonna feed them?
Why did Crowley want into the Men of Letters bunker? I thought his comment interesting that he tried to track down Cuthbert because he wanted into “this place”. Is the bunker important to Crowley’s agenda? Why? Remember Crowley is an empire builder at heart – Purgatory, anyone? And interesting that Dean is kind of paralleling both Sam and Cas in his slow move into the influence of evil but through good intentions.
Also, why is Crowley addicted? Why is human DNA his weakness? Is it simply a leftover of the trials or is there something about Crowley that would cause this? I’m really intrigued by Crowley’s story and origins. And of course, Mark Sheppard just rocks. He makes everything better.
So basically my reactions are:
“Good Job, Ross-Leming and Buckner.”
“Oh, Dean, you are going into the abyss.”
“I’m happy that Sam got through to Dean.”
“I want to know more about Crowley.”
I could go on and on but wow, there are some great things to come, I believe. I’m looking forward to more.
Just some thoughts on the episode. Please share your feelings, theories, and thoughts below.
For a Buckner Ross-Lemming episode it wasn’t half bad. I wish Sam would stop being a damsel in distress, but since that has been going on for a while, I can’t really blame them. It would have been nice if they had remembered that Sam could read Enochian in Hollywood Babylon and both Sam and Dean could read it in Trial and Error, but it’s better than Rogue Reapers, so I admit to being nitpicky here. I loved that Sam is Moose and Dean, at least is Not Moose, although it would be interesting if everyone other than Sam was Not Moose, or really not Moose. I wish Cuthbert had not been killed because he was interesting and could have told them more about the Men of Letters.
Basically enjoyed Crowley, enjoyed watching Dean reacting to the Mark of Cain, wish Sam had been of more importance. I do think Crowley is more than we know and certainly more than just Fergus McLeod, but what I have no idea. It is one retcon or change to canon that I would completely accept.
This wasn’t too bad for a Buckner-Leming episode. I think I like it. I have to think about it some more but I mostly enjoyed it.
I agree that Crowley might be something other, but what, I have no idea. Intriguing idea that his reaction to human blood may be unique to him.
I like Deans parallel with season 4 Sam, blood addicted Crowley and power mad Cas.
I still wonder exactly what the blade was making him feel. Is it like Elric’s Black Blade? Is it sentient and reacts to the MoC,on its own?
Oh and great, funny review,btw. Thanx,bookdal!
This episode was the first one since First Born that I really enjoyed and didn’t leave me wanting to yell at the boys. Yes, I agree Bookdal, that Dean is heading down a dark path and I would say, in over his head, but I’m excited in a scared yet intrigued way. Crowley was well, Crowley at his finest. Sam was worried about Dean and it almost felt like they were totally on the same page. That and it finally got back to the Mark of Cain, gasp! It’s been established since Torn and Frayed last season that Crowley knows Enochian so I’m not bothered by that … although I’m not sure why Abaddon wrote the message on the Impala (seriously Dean will get her now) in Enochian except that maybe it was so Crowley could lie about what it really says. Maybe he’s somehow working with the Angels? He’s the only one who knows what the spell Metatron used says and he is a salesman, not King of the Crossroads for nothing!
I like dashnjo’s idea that Abaddon used Enochian so that Dean & Sam wouldn’t understand it. They may know a little but are hardly fluent & it would be easy to use certain words they wouldn’t know. I still get a hinky feeling that using Enochian means it’s not Abaddon. Maybe Gadreel is working with Crowley????? Now that’s a scary pair- don’t have much trust in either of them but they could prove helpful.
I totally agree, but I wonder who? I’m also thinking maybe Gadreel as the one thing most overlooked when wondering why Crowley was injecting blood at the end of Heaven Can’t Wait is HOW he got the blood. Kevin wouldn’t have willing just gave him more than he’d already given and neither would Sam, unless it wasn’t Sam and since no one else was in the bunker that only leaves Gadreel and Sam wouldn’t remember any of that. I don’t think Gadreel actually killed Abner as his vessel had the same cut on his neck that Cas had when Metatron tookk his grace and Metatron’s calling card (so to speak) had the vessel’s name on it, not Abner. Gadreel might have his own thing going on that he’s keeping secret and it could be a way to open Heaven up to angels but he’s playing the long game as orchestrated by Crowley. And that can’t be good in the end because as much as I love the character of Crowley I don’t trust him farther than I could throw him … he is smart though. Part of the reason I don’t believe it’s Abaddon is because she doesn’t seem intellectual enough to have spent the time to learn another language in order to get ahead, she doesn’t need to as she gets ahead with sheer intimidation, to write that message on the Impala (can’t say enough how horrible that is). Plus, I’m sure Gadreel knows how much the Impala means to Dean (he was in Sam’s head) and has no love loss for Dean after Road Trip.
We’ll see, of course, but I am very curious to see what’s really going on … a little scared, but that’s ok.
Just one random thought about this episode. Crowley complains that its the Winchester DNA “making him like this”. Since it was Sam’s, and not Dean’s, does that explain the blood junkie reaction Crowley is having? Poor Baby!
I liked this eppy a lot. if you had tuned in for the first time to the show, you wouldn’t have even realized the boys were having problems. for two guys not on the same page, they sure felt like they were on the same page. 😉 I love Crowley but I don’t trust him at all. I still think it’s significant that he’s the only demon on this show who is red smoke and not black. even abbadon, the first knight of hell smokes out black. plus his tryst with Naomi in mesapatomia, having a hard time reconciling an angel doing the nasty with a crossroads demon. still, meg wanted cas.. just not seeing it though. I think there’s more to Crowley and he’s not to be trifled with. I wasn’t even sure if his “blood addiction” was really a blood addiction or a show to get inside the bunker again and get sam and dean to do his bidding.
I can see where we are going here based on jc’s interview and what jared said regarding the moc. I have no doubt that the boys will be fine and stronger and finally deal with their issues…I liked hearing from carver that the boy’s bond is even stronger than they are aware of. 🙂 but from what jared said about the moc being like sam’s db addiction, I can see where sam’s focus will turn. the talk will come, but I think it’ll happen somewhere in the last 3 eps. what’s promising here is that, last week’s ep was the turning point for both boys. they finally saw themselves through the ghostfacers and I think have a better understanding and sympathy for ea. other. that’s good. but the moc is going to delay the talk til the end of the season. what I think will happen is sam’ s focus on his own pain and hurt will shift, kind of moved to the back burner. Jared said that the moc was like his db addiction and I believe he sai, and Cheryl correct me if i’m wrong, but i think jared said that sam would start treating dean differently. I think sam’s addiction will have a benefit in this story as sam will be able to recognize and relate to what dean is experiencing with the moc. dean didn’t have that advantage back in s4. he had no idea the db was affecting sam emotionally, which was blatantly apparent in s&v and wtlb. sam will be able to help dean because he will understand what he’s going through. of course we’re going to need a few eps for sam to recognize the signs which is why it’ll all culminate in the last three eps.
I think that the moc/abbadon/boys issues will resolve itself this season……but I do think that metatron, gadreel, sending the angels back to heaven and crowely will be a problem for the boys next season. i’m really excited about what’s ahead and am so loving this season.
always cool when to see previous actors return to play another role. poor guy though, last time he lost his insides and this time he lost his head. 😀
looking forward to learning more about the mol.
Do you think killing Abaddon will make Dean King of Hell? What do you think might be triggered by that? Do you think it will only affect Crowley?
I know what I’d like to see happen and what I’d find intriguing but I haven’t heard most other peoples thoughts on what they think will happen. Sheer spec, of course, but most people seem sure it’ll be something major.
Nappi I thought Abbadon’s smoke was red in Sacrifice. I could be wrong but when Sam lit her up with holy oil I thought she turned red smoke. Crowely I Knight of Hell maybe?
hey Cheryl
I just watched that scene in sacrifice and abbadon is black smoke. she was mixed in with the flames at first, so she was a bit brown for like a second, then when she smoked out of the church, she was black. Crowley is blood red smoke. he’s not just a simple salesman crossroads demon who was smart enough to become the king of hell….I think he’s something else. I have no idea what though….
I watched that scene as well. I thought I remembered red smoke, which I guess there was with the flames. So that does make Crowely a different creature.
Pretty good episode; beautifully shot – camera and lighting work was fantastic. The episode itself was a little choppy with the way it cut/flowed between scenes, but I guess that can happen when there’s a lot of ground to cover in an episode. Crowley was fantastic; nice to have him back to his old evil ways at the end. He’s playing Dean like a fiddle. Besides the obvious effects the Mark of Cain is having on Dean, I’m just wondering what sequence of events is triggered when Abaddon is killed? I don’t think it will be “killing Lilith, freeing Lucifer” big but it’s gotta be something pretty big, doesn’t it? I still think Crowley will make a run at taking over heaven.
What a complete reversal of roles between S4 and S9, with Sam not trusting Crowley in any way, shape, or form. When Dean was holding the First Blade at the end of the episode, did anyone else think Dean was almost being compelled to kill his brother, or was I reading too much in to that?
I sort of got the impression that he was being compelled to kill anything in his orbit and you notice, Crowley kept his distance? The closest person to him was Sam, so yeah,it’s possible.
Yes, I noticed Crowley lurking in the background; I made the brother association because of the Supernatural spin on the story of Cain and Abel, with Cain killing Abel to save him from Lucifer.
I saw that to where it looked like Dean wanted to kill Sam. Not sure if the it taps into Deans feelings yes he cares for Sam they are brothers but right now they are on the outs and guessing not good since the blade was used to kill Able. And since Sam was Lucifers meat suit and the chosen one wondering if it taps into that also. But Sam got Dean out of that fog but I wonder if Dean will try to turn the blade on sam or come close and just leave. This is the mind boggling part and not sure where I read it but you take out abaddon and crowley who is running hell? I just don’t get that. I like how Crowley seems pleased like he knew Cain would give Dean the mark to take out abaddon like Sam should be greatful. I also loved Dean with the curator of the museum that was great I never got that he was flirting but she took it like that. Gotta say slow start but picked up in the end can’t wait for more of Dean and the MOC story. Thank you writers for giving something to Jensen to really sink his teeth into.
I reallly liked thiis episode. That MOL dude was crazy. The mark Of Cain is really interesting. But I’d really like to see what Dean would do with someone that isn’t obviously evil and needing of being killed.
Anyone else wonder if Crowly is doing a very long con against the boys? Seriously…I wondered if Crowly was responsible for the keying of the IMpala. I mean why Enochian? If you were leaving a message on their car wouldn’t you want them to understand it? I’m rooting for a King of Hell con over redemption.
Still hoping the writers allow Sam to be the one save Dean; pull him back from the dark.
After the episode ended all ic ould think of was the poor supernatural creatures left in their cages to die a slow, painful death.
I did not get the feeling at all that dean wanted to hurt Sam. Looked to me like dean just was compelled by the blade, he couldn’t let it go, and the blade was doing something to dean. It was as though he was hypnotized by it. I actually found it telling that Sam was the one who could snap him out of it. I think it foreshadows Sam being the only one who could save dean….that unbreakable bond carver referred to, being deeper than even they are aware of.
Okay, beware as this will be the mother of positive comments. (Just kidding) Well, not the positive part.
It feels like I should make my own review as I have lot to write but I will try to make it short. So here goes.
First of all, your speculations were very good and I might say this episode brought up loads of questions. Even more than you listed.
Only thing that I complain about this episode. It was way too short. I would have loved to watch this more than 43 minutes.
The men of letters story seems to get off. I love the Sam part of it. He is totally one as Dean is the hunter. I don’t check that much brothers screen time but I think they both are getting it. Sam has the Man of letters and Dean the MoC. And you could say there is a lot of roads both can go. And Sam using tricks and alchemy to get back in the house. Totally loved it. And Magnus orwhathisnamewas gave him also honor about that. I wish they wouldn’t have killed him that fast too. He was interesting character.
I loved Snooki, She was actually a good crossroads demon and she looked really tiny among the boys! It was a short part that she played and she looked different than a normal person. What is good because I think she fit to be a demon. (Don’t shoot me)
I also got curious what other supernatural stuff Magnus had in that house. I wish it wouldn’t have been that fast over! He reminded me little bit about Trickster.
And Dean and MoC, that could be an essay of speculation. So I say, what was seen, awesome. What will come, can’t be anything good.
And Crowley’s intentions. I think it is safe to say that we should not trust him one bit.
PS. Poor Impala…
I get the feeling that Crowely intended for everything to happen just as it did. And now he has the blade and Dean under it’s spell. He has Dean as his tool and Sam is going to have to figure it out before Dean does something completely unredeemable (spell check says that is a word). Never mind Sam being sliced up do not ever touch Baby, this means war! Time to do what they should have done in the first place. Call Cas!!
I think I would like to be a fly on the wall when Cas finds out… I think he still doesn’t know about the mark.
Yeah, I have a feeling that will be an interesting conversation … hope we get to see it because I doubt Cas will be happy to hear it. I just hope Dean listens when Cas tries to call him out more than Cas listened when Dean tried to do the same thing at the end of Season 6. Hopefully Cas will remember and remind him what happened when he didn’t listen to Dean and that he needs to get a hold of himself before he does something stupid! I do hope we get to see this though!
Thanks Bookdal. I thought this was a pretty good episode! It was nice to have a break from all the brother tension and moping. Crowley was fabulous and I agree with the sentiment that he has his own agenda which will emerge. It will certainly be interesting to get Cas’s take on the MoC and it’s effect on Dean. I also don’t think that Dean wanted to hurt Sam at that moment, I think he was overwhelmed. I do think it will get harder to reach Dean if he gives in to the sensations of power and the murderous impulses it seems to generate. If Dean is believing Sam’s assertions that he has been willing to die as of late, the warped perception might drive him to hurt Sam. As we have seen, supernatural influences (ie Spectre) can bring loved ones to murder as has the MoC in the past. I think Sam will be instrumental in reaching Dean. Whatever is going to happen I am definitely looking forward to seeing it unfold. 🙂
[quote]Sam’s assertions that he has been willing to die as of late,[/quote]He is not willing to die as of late…He had accepted his death when he was in coma.He is Okay now but feels guilty that Kevin is dead.
Hi anonymousN, I have always contended that Sam’s comments about being willing to die were due to an acceptance because he thought that he had no choice and he was physically and mentally drained. I agree he is OK now except for his justifiable anger over the way Dean went about trying to save Sam and the consequences of that. I never felt Sam really wanted death but some fans did and Dean could interpret some of his comments that way in his current bleak frame of mind. And who knows how much the MoC is going to alter his perceptions?
Not a huge fan of the episode but for these writers it was better than expected. Loved the MoC storyline finally getting some amp. I have always thought Crowley was more than a demon. He had better be otherwise I think he will end up dead. Holding onto the weapon is not a solid long-term plan. I thought he looked scared as Dean held the weapon. I don’t think the Mark is going anywhere and the season will end up with Dean being the last powerful player on the board. I think the mark amplifies Dean so that he is the alpha hunter and killer and woe to anyone who he feels needs killing. I think he’s going to become black and white about killing in a ruthless Machiavellian manner. We saw hints of this post Purgatory but now there will be nothing holding him back.
Decided to stop lurking!
I really loved the episode, I think it’s my favorite of the Buckner/Leming ones.
I don’t think Crowley and Abbadon are working together, since I don’t really see what they could get out of each other (Crowley is already King of Hell, I don’t think he enjoys having someone probably more powerful than him around:), but maybe I will be proven wrong. But I do think Crowley isn’t a simple powerful demon. He might be some kind of special demon or something.
As for the boys, I think seeing the Ghostfacers was a real wake up call to them, even if they aren’t ready to make up right on the spot. I loved how they showed how much they care about each other despite of their feud (Sam panicked about what was happening to Dean, and Dean being so scared Magnus would use Sam against him). I think it’s interesting that Sam got through him when Dean had the First Blade in his hand. Didn’t seem to me he wanted to kill Dean in particular, but maybe just everyone in the room. Seeing the way Dean reacted, and how Cain became such a cold blooded killer when he picked the blade to kill the knights (I think today’s ep really put in perspective why Colette wanted the blade as far away as possible).
And the “Not Moose” thing was the best.
As for the season itself, I think Dean will kill Abbadon (and possibly Crowley, though I would cry if it happened) by the end of it, but that the cost might be really high, like Dean going in full-mode killer and not feeling anything else (since they like parallels this year, maybe a Soulless!Sam one?), and barely stopping from killing Sam, and then Sam trying to save his brother? I’m not sure about the angels war, there seems to be a lot going on, and not enough episodes to neatly end the storyline by season 9.
While we’re on parallels, if this season in reverse season 4, is season 10 going to be reverse season 5, meaning there’ll be something of an apocalyptic scale going on? Anyway, I feel like this year’s cliffhanger is gonna make the wait unbearable!
Sorry for the rambling!
Okay, Impressions on first watch.
I love it when Dean was trying to wipe the scratch. He looked close to crying. After Sam got scratched then Baby. It was a bad day for Dean.
I love how Dean went all “murderous” when he hold the Blade. I love Jensen’s acting in SKIN and I love him in MBV. So, I’ve been waiting for Dean to go darkside or a little evil ever since SKIN. The First Blade suits him just fine. I’m looking forward what more the Blade’s storyline would bring. I still think the writer will limit Dean’s exposure to the blade before the end of the season because it’s just the most sensible plot right now. Dean can’t be holding on it too long or he’ll probably goes on killing spree, without Sam’s intervention or maybe even Sam’s intervention won’t stop him, but that plot is good for the cliffhanger, i think. Also Crowley is too smart to let Dean have the blade, less he kill him. Sam won’t let Dean have the blade. Definitely Abbaddon is also gunning for it.
I wonder if the blade also kill Angel. It probably can kill Angel. Can it kill Archangel? Lucifer or Michael? That’s very juicy idea for the next season. 🙂
I’m convinced that if the brothers are separated, they do stupid things because they seemed to think with half a brain instead of a whole. When Dean went to Hell (it sounds like a vacation) Sam got addicted to Demon blood. When Dean left Sam, he got branded by Cain. Most of the bad decisions they took was because they were separated. They don’t have each other as a sounding board and tend to do things carelessly. Everyone says that their co-dependency is not healthy (including me) and dangerous but they are even more dangerous being separated.
One thing I notice, the first blood that the Blade shed is human (Abel). Now, after decades, the first blood that it shed again is also Human. I think if the Blade is somehow sentient, and if the writers would steer into that direction, I think the Blade will always thirsty for human’s blood. Only the strength of the wielder will be able to control it. Can had lived for eternity, of course he can control it just fine. But will Dean strong enough? This is where the brother’s bond is being tested.
Hey that’s a nice catch. You’re right. As long as they’re together they seem to keep each other sane and on an even keel. It seems whenever they separate they do desperate or crazy things. ( of course they have done a couple of crazy things together ,but those things didn’t endanger the world, much.) It’s telling to me how Sam was able to talk him out of whatever trance he seemed to be in with the blade ( my favorite moment). Your statement makes me wonder what would have happened if Sam hadn’t been there.
It again makes me thinking of this new scenario. Supposed to say Sam died. I still think Dean will still take on MOC because Crowley wants to kill Abaddon that badly. Somehow, he will be able to trick Dean into believing that he got a way to resurrect Sam. Since Sam’s soul will not be in Heaven (Heaven closed for business) and Dean will never burn his brother’s body if he can find a way to resurrect him. I think sooner or later Dean will make a dean with Cain regarding the mark, the blade and Sam’s possible resurrection. I can see Dean willing to slave away his will by taking on the mark and the blade combo if only he can get Sam back. He’s reckless like that and without his brother as his sounding board, he’ll do it. Sam will be trapped behind the veil and can only appear once in a while. Not a good position to counsel Dean who is already devastated by his loss. The MOC storyline will be pushed much sooner.
I remember Sam once asked (in Purge I think), “Please tell me, what is the upside of me being alive?”
I knew it then and I’m still convinced that the answer to Sam’s question is to get Dean out of the dark abyss he’s thrown himself into which is resulted from the despair of loosing his brother. Let’s face it, If Sam died at that Church, Dean will be even more guilty and even more reckless and he’ll fall into Crowley’s trick sooner and take on MOC sooner. So, whether Sam die or live Dean will still be taking the Mark and the Blade.
I’m not saying that what Dean did is a good thing. It’s awful. But this MOC storyline seemed like the Apocalypse kind of thing. It will still happen no matter what Dean did.
I saw this speculation elsewhere. So Dean goes full on demon (cliffhanger) and Sam and Cas have to use the demon cure to save him.
I don’t think dean will become a demon. The only way to become a demon is to die, go to hell, and after about a century your humanity burns away. I think at most, dean will lose his moral compass and become more ruthless. Humanity might not be his priority, but he will be human. Maybe more like a serial killer mentality, but not a demon.
But isn’t that what happened to Cain? Didn’t he become a servant of Lucifer in order to save Able. Cain was human but was marked (actually by who God or Lucifer?) and trained the Knights of Hell to rain destruction on mankind. I have to watch that episode again. Cain’s story is a little fuzzy to me. Anyway I thought that might be one way to save Dean. They are going to have to get rid of the Mark somehow. It took Dean, Cas and Crowely to save Sam so I figured Sam and Cas to save Dean. And they haven’t revisited curing a demon which I thought was going to be a storyline this year.
IDK, I thought that was what happened to Cain, too. I thought he was human and alive when he became a demon. Also, Sam briefly became a demon (for about a minute) when he killed Lillith. I think it’s possible. to become a demon without dying. For some reason, I was under the impression that that was Cain’s original body and that he was immortal. I have to go back and watch that episode again. 🙂
Well, I have been thinking it too. “The End” episode and the five years. Cain asked Dean to kill him. In a way he must certainly then come to be a knight of hell?
Magnus was controlling him, what if Lucifer or at least Crowley can order Dean because of the Mark? Lucifer is a long shot but couldn’t at least Lucifer then ask Dean to say yes for possession. Without his real permission? There is so much stuff that could happen. The vessels would turn upside down and now Sam would be Michael’s vessel.
“I don’t think dean will become a demon. The only way to become a demon is to die, go to hell, and after about a century your humanity burns away. I think at most, dean will lose his moral compass and become more ruthless. Humanity might not be his priority, but he will be human. Maybe more like a serial killer mentality, but not a demon.” quote from Nappi
Umm, well in a way, Dean has died, gone to hell, and after about a century your humanity burns away (40 years in hell as torturers pet/apprentice being torturer himself). On those old episodes Dean said he lost something and feels there is a hole inside of him.
Anyway, just rambling here. Who knows where they are going. I actually loved Michael and I hope he would be brought back somehow. Although pissed off archangel would be too bad force to deal with.
The look on Crowely’s face during the entire episode other than when he was pointlessly (possibly) chugging human blood was one of someone who had orchestrated the whole thing. He let the Winchesters lead him right where he wanted them to go. He couldn’t get into Cuthbert’s bunker(?) because it was warded. He new the blade was there and he needed them to get in. He is so totally manipulating Dean. As Meg said “Crowely is always the problem”.
You’re absolutely right. The only time the guys had an upper hand on Crowley was when they caught him for the third spell. Crowley often play dumb and hid his knowledge of things but the truth is he is very knowledgeable but he don’t share it to just anyone. I don’t like it that Crowley get to know more about the Men of Letters secrets because that means the guys won’t have leverage against him in the future.
well this seems to be a role reversal for sam and dean. sam is usually the one things are happening to and dean comes in and saves him. so i’m thinking that this time, something is happening to dean and it will be sam who saves him. as of now it’s sheer speculation on my part, but I was thinking of another type of scenario that could be possible, at least this week:p;)
next week is an mol eppy, so who knows what sam will learn regarding henry and abbadon and whatever other mol secret there might be. as of a recent ask ausiello spoiler, it seems that there are more layers to sam and the whole angel thing. cas didn’t remove all the angel grace right? because it would’ve killed sam. he healed sam but isn’t there still angel grace inside of him? I think somehow that might come into play. now i’m not sure if it’s with saving dean or getting metatron or maybe both? What did occur to me was maybe the way sam saves dean is by preventing him from killing abbadon. dean stopped sam from doing the trials because it was going to kill him, so what if sam learns what dean will become if he kills abbadon, so sam stops him from doing it. it’s kind of like being in dean’s shoes because he wouldn’t be willing to sacrifice dean’s humanity. what if sam finds another way to get rid of abbadon…maybe instead of killing her, they can trap her like they did lucifer. I just don’t think dean is going to turn into a demon. I still don’t think humans can turn into demons while they are still alive. all that db sam consumed, he still stayed human. sam spent over century in hell and his soul was damaged but he never turned into a demon…and he was in hell longer than 40 years. is cage hell different than regular hell? I don’t know. the one thing that show has always stayed true to is keeping the Winchesters human, no matter how dark a path they seemed to find themselves on and I just don’t think show is going to suddenly turn either brother into a supernatural being. but that’s just me and like I said, it’s just spec……I don’t know how it will actually play out, i’m just enjoying the ride.
It is fun to speculate and then be totally surprised when something you didn’t see coming happens. 😮
I totally agree. 😀
It really can go in which ever direction that is possible. I am sure exited also to see what direction that is.
There is loads of questions that haven’t been answered. Also, I have a feeling. (I hope I am right) that if Magnus used a shapeshifter before maybe he used one again or maybe the spell that left him not to age made him also immortal? Or maybe I just hope that he wasn’t killed that quickly. 😀
I agree with you both! I love it when a show surprises me. This one has done it more than most. 🙂
Delurking here.. Just a thought. What if Sam has to save Dean by using the Spear of Destiny – “God`s toothpick” – to destroy the First blade? I have seen a lot of speculation about the blade but nothing on if or how it may be destroyed. I find it hard to believe that they (the writers) focused on it when Dean was organizing the MOL items in that past episode for it not to be important later. They used the key in the Oz/Charlie episode after all. It`s either that, the little jar Dean sniffed or the Busty Azian Beauty mag! HA!!!
Because the mark of Cain storyline is only supposed to grow and grow up to the season finale, it’s gonna be hugely revolved around mark of cain, and I can’t help but think that Dean is going to go darkside in the last episode and let the mark of Cain take over him.
In this episode, the first time Dean held the first blade, we saw him shake and struggle with it, but he was able to let go and throw the blade to the ground. The second time, however, he couldn’t just let go. It was clear that inside him there was anger building up and building up and the first blade was only making it worse and making him feel more powerful. If it wasn’t for Sam calling out Dean’s name, he might have not snapped out of it.
So imagine how Dean is gonna feel when he kills Abaddon (somewhere between 9×21-9×23 maybe?). Imagine the power and the anger surging through his veins. He almost lost control from killing a human, imagine how he’s gonna feel once he kills a [i]knight of hell[/i] (including Cain since he asked Dean to come back and kill him once he acquires the blade). The first time that Dean held the blade and couldn’t control it, Magnus said to him that soon he would get used to it (which we saw the second time he held the blade). The more Dean kills with the blade, the more he even holds it, the closer he’s going to get to the darkside. Sam was able to get to him this time (after numerous attempts), but he might not be able to break through the thick veil that is going to build up with every killing/interaction with the blade.
When Cain decided to give Dean the mark, it was right after he witnessed Dean take on 3 (or so) demons and kill them all in cold blood. After seeing [i]that[/i], Cain decided that Dean was worthy of the mark. He saw the anger and the pain and the murder in Dean that Cain also had in himself (which is why Cain said “you and I are much alike”). Dean and Cain have perfect parallels (“First born son, has one younger brother who Lucifer wants to overtake, can’t bear to see his younger brother go through such an ordeal and ends up sacrificing himself, joins the ranks of hell and does terrible things he will never forgive himself for, is finally able to sever his ties with hell because of C______”) and so who knows, maybe in the season finale Dean can’t control the anger and the power pumping through his veins and no one can get to him, and he ends up hurting the people he cares most about.
Someone on tumblr made a really great gifset showing all the Dean/Cain parallels here! ([url]”http://itsokaycas.tumblr.com/post/74248449636/destiel-is-my-canon-pondlifeforme-cain”[/url])
Wow… that was pretty good! And for a Ross-Lemming/Bruckner episode it was downright terrific. This is some of their best work IMO and they even wrote Sam! I mean, very few of the writers seem to have much interest in writing Sam these days, but there he was, being his awesome badass self, taking charge and interacting with people, being smart and getting the job done. It was nice to see. Finally some good movement on the MoC. I liked seeing how it worked; almost like a trance with Dean becoming drunk with its power. He seemed freaked out, yet also attracted to it in a way; very interesting. And I do wonder about the whole confrontation with Dean and the blade that he had with… in front of Sam. Was Dean feeling a compulsion to kill his brother? I thought maybe he was the first time I watched the episode, then maybe he wasn’t the second time. I think it could at least be possible; I mean the first blade is just that, the first blade used by a brother to kill a brother. Maybe that’s the “great cost” that the blade will extract from Dean. Maybe that is what Dean will have to fight against. Cain made a very pointed comment about the fact that Dean DID NOT kill his brother the way he killed Abel and then asked Dean why? and Dean’s response was “you never give up on family.” Maybe the only way for the MoC to loose it’s power is for the wearer to use it, fall under its spell and then NOT do the one thing it was designed to do, which was kill a brother. That would be pretty cool.
I really liked dashnjo’s theory that what’s going on is actually a Crowley and Gadreel long con. Maybe they need Abbadon to be dead for some reason.. like for the completion of a spell that will open up heaven, with the brothers are currently playing right into the plot without realizing. That would be awesome. Crowley really did seem like the Puppet Master in this episode. When Dean was confronting Sam with the blade, Crowley sure was interested in that little exchange, wasn’t he? And at the hotel, Crowley let himself be taken back under Winchester control pretty easily if you ask me. Considering that he could have just thrown them around the room as soon as they took out those binding handcuffs, he went pretty willingly IMO. I just can’t figure out if the human blood thing is part of the con or if it’s really something Crowley is battling with and possibly making his resolve weak. I think the brothers REALLY need to talk to Cas right about now, I’ll bet he’s got some pretty pertinent information that will possibly turn all of what we now know on its head. I am surprised that Sam especially hasn’t called on Cas, just to get some info. I can see why Dean hasn’t, he’s slowly pulling into himself and will probably begin to isolate himself further and reject offers of help or information as the effects of the blade grow.
So, which of the two major threads will resolve this season and which will be the cliff hanger into next season? I think Abbadon will be dead by season’s end. But this whole MoC thing? not sure it will be resolved at all… as a matter of fact, if the PTB really wanted to torture us, they would cliff hang this story as it’s the far more volatile and exciting of the two current major threads (at least for me anyway). Or possibly the cliffy will be something we currently don’t expect. I am going with the idea that Abbadon’s death is a key ingredient to something Crowley and Gadreel have cooking between them and that this aspect will be revealed at season’s end, laying the ground work and focus of season 10’s arc. Where that leaves Dean and the MoC, I have no idea. I’d like to see this story unfold for the next little while and maybe even into season 10; it’s pretty exciting. Oh, and I’d like to see Sam save Dean, I mean, really save him, in a way that he’s never been able to do before. I think that would go a long way towards healing the rift between them. And I hope that Sam uses what he’s learned about addiction and begin seduced by evil from season 4 to save Dean. I hope that Dean will begin to see that Sam does truly love him, and that he is WORTHY of being loved and saved. I’d like to see past canon affect present canon in a way that shows that these boys are learning something from events in the past. Yeah, I don’t want much…. just… everything. :p
[quote]lkeke35 In reply to: cheryl42 PERMALINK
IDK, I thought that was what happened to Cain, too. I thought he was human and alive when he became a demon. Also, Sam briefly became a demon (for about a minute) when he killed Lillith. I think it’s possible. to become a demon without dying. For some reason, I was under the impression that that was Cain’s original body and that he was immortal. I have to go back and watch that episode again. :)[/quote]
Hey, do you think if they go down this road… having Dean become a kind of demon like Cain, and then they have Sam and Cas cure him with the demon curing ritual, won’t that kill Sam and close the gates of hell forever? I mean, is the original set of trials still in play and just on hold because they aren’t finished? Maybe that’s how Sam will end up saving his brother, by curing him from becoming a demon knowing full well what the result of doing so will mean for him once he completes the task; knowing that curing his brother will complete the trials causing his death. That would be pretty epic; although then we’d be back to dead Sam and shady deals probably.
This is what I don’t kind of get in Sacrifice. All Sam had to do was not say the enochian spell, right? Crowely would still have been cured but Sam wouldn’t have completed the trial. The priest cured the demon in Clip Show. I thought that was why in the beginning of the season they wanted Crowely to give up names of demons so they could cure them. But that story kind of went nowhere. So I was thinking maybe this is a way to bring it back to the Church and curing demons.
I think Sam still had one more shot to give Crowley. I don’t have it on hand, but I remember him preparing the shot and standing over Crowley when Dean ran in. That’s when they had the whole discussion about finishing the trials. So I’m pretty sure Crowley was only 90% cured.
The ritual needed Sam to unleashed the power he had in his arm into Crowley (demon) to cure him. The last scene before Dean showed up was Sam slicing his palm, then saying the spell “… lustra”. Just before he slammed his palm on Crowley’s mouth to feed him his trial-powered up-blood, Dean stopped him. That’s why Sam was dying because since the powered-up blood in his arm wasn’t unleashed, it attacked his own body. If they want to close Hell gate again they have to re-do it from the first trial.
Sam gave Crowely the final shot, said the exorcism and then sliced his hand. He was standing over Crowely with his bloody hand. That was the final act of the priest before he cured the demon. All Sam had to do was cram his hand down Crowelys mouth then say the enochian spell and supposedly the gates of hell are shut and Sam gets his spine ripped out of his mouth for all eternity. Good times.
THE GUYS DIDN’T REALLY FIGHT! Actually Sam was concerned about Dean’s reaction to using the blade, possibly more freaked out than concerned but again showing his reserved colors, even to the point of being the one to take it out of the MOL guy’s house. Of course Sam was able to get through to Dean to get him to let go of the knife. They keep each other on track, especially in dicey gigs like this or “The End.” Dean seriously freaked my Mom and I out–I’m thinking he’ll go dark Dean before it’s all said and done. Crowley was great, and I was enthralled by the appearance of the guy’s front door. I wonder why Crowley was looking for him so bad?
Was it just me or was several of those scenes from the MOL guy’s house filmed on the same set as alternative universe Jared’s “Jay-Z digs?”