Trust – A Supernatural Quest
“All the world is made of faith, and trust, and pixie dust.”
J.M. Barrie / Peter Pan
By reading some of the comments I personally noticed that the main theme of Supernatural “Family Business” has over the years somehow been lost out of sight, especially Nate Winchester’s remark struck me unexpected like a lightning on plain field.
“While I know we need drama to keep the show from being boring, the same old drama also gets boring. Really the “keeping secrets” part of the main’s relationship is starting to get a bit ludicrous.”
(Nate Winchester’s Journal: “I’m No Angel” Review)
Ludicrous?
“Family Business”, the main issue of SPN is and still will be the main factor. Not a Forrest Gump ex-angel, a lesbian hacker or a surrogate father, sorry to say but they are only the lovely arranged garment on the cake. They can be changed, every season a new decoration, but the brothers are the constant in this human drama.
Eight years long the brothers fought against the demons of legends and fictional imaginations. Cursed knifes, blades, guns and spells are the munition the warriors of horror can count on. Warding tattoos keep the evil out, safe and sound.
But what precisely can save a human against his own produced nightmares, his own angst and despite the contradiction his own free will?
Trust and faith.
The oxford dictionary defines Trust as “firm belief in the reliability, truth, or ability of someone or something: relations have to be built on trust / they have been able to win the trust of the others … “
Therefore trust is something we humans belief in, there is no formula, no guideline only our experiences give us the opportunity to choose whom we trust. Trust is something we give by our heart and seldom by reason.
S8 ends with the fundamental construct of “blind trust”.
Castiel trusted Metatron and Sam trusted Dean. We the viewers know how it ended. Castiels blind faith in Metaron has been betrayed, heaven has been crushed to earth, what has been is no more. Cause and Consequences.
And Dean? Dean gave in a sacred place his ultimate promise to trust his brother what ever comes and that Sam can rely and follow his brother faithfully.
Causes and Consequences.
Love, trust and faith are the main factors of human beings, without these attributes we humans would be soulless machines, yes we would function no doubt, but what would be the consequences?
The screenwriters of SPN gave us a glimpse in S6 how it would look like. Or in S5 to ignore the basic of trust to the ones that are our nearest for example the family. S8 showed us how easily trust can be fooled by personal and altered perception. S1 the writers gave us the opportunity to participate the fledge of childhood in growing up, to make own decision, to accept and challenge the consequences.
Since the human began to walk upright he not only discovered the warmth and security fire shares, but also the insecurity of trust. The primordial human had to trust his tribe leader blindly, because… well he might know best. Over generations love, trust and faith were the main propelling issues of mankind.
For example in Mainz a city in Germany they found a 2000 year old roman Isis temple, after excavating and preserving the artifacts, the archeologist counted around thousand votive figurines and the main theme of them all was love, trust and faith. The modern roman citizen prayed to the goddess Isis too find their everlasting love, asking if they can trust a person and all bounded with the faith that the goddess Isis would listen to their silently offered wishes and hoping deep in there heart that one day they would come true.
Humanity hasn’t evolved, despite our modern illusion.
Hundreds of generation have past since then , time went on religions and wars changed the nations until today, but in the end nothing has changed because we sophisticated humans are still seeking for the ultimate love and trust without losing our faith.
Plato wrote “Love is the pursuit of the whole” and the roman philosopher Vergil wrote “omnia vincent amor!” Love will conquer all! Even the bestseller “The sorrows of Young Werther” by the renown German writer Johann von Goethe describes the tragic of unanswered love. Were these philosophers naïve and ludicrous?
I personally don’t think so.
Without love there is no trust. Without trust there is no hope. And without hope there is only constant doubt.
“Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we oft might win, by fearing to attempt.” Shakespeare, as usual points out the inevitable, to except what we fear the most.
Season 9 starts with Sam accepting his own faith and chose death, his hope lies now in the trust that death will keep his promise, no doubts anymore only plain and pure faith that all will end for good.
And Dean?
Like the angels he is also cased out, also not understanding why. Didn’t Dean give his little brother a promise, the ultimate trust only “me and you and nothing in between”.
And now his little brother is leaving him, leaving him behind, leaving him alone…
Where has trust and brotherly love gone…
”there ain’t no me without you”
Traumatized, Dean accepts the offer of an unknown angel. His acceptance builds on his hope that this heavenly entity can break the bound his little brother made with death, by only saying yes.
A three syllable word not more, bears halve of the hole weight of our unique free will.
The divine angel should know not to challenge the ultimate gift from God by knowing that not even the Creator would interfere with the free will.
Therefore “keeping secrets” is a mildly pronounced phrase for the fundamental break of the ultimate divine manifest.
Yea, the brothers always had secrets hidden carefully from each other, nothing new some would say. But were these so called secrets truly by the meaning fundamental secrets, or were they just only inconvenient consequences, produced by highly cultivated human principles and expectations?
In comparison with other series SPN dares to reveal the differences of love, trust and faith, but sadly to say are culture has forgot what the true significance of love, trust and faith really contains.
These once precious sacred intimate attributes are now excessively being used, our cross-border consumption culture is devouring and spitting these nouns out as if there were disposable or on constant sale. Just take a look at the commercials and you will understand what I mean.
Some viewers are even that much confused with the brotherly love, that they only accept the sexual definition for love. And can’t imagine that love is also defined as a deep, tender, ineffable feeling of affection and solicitude toward a person, such as that arising from kinship, recognition of attractive qualities, or a sense of underlying oneness.
Oneness…”there ain’t no me without you”
In conclusion, “Supernatural” is a modern day show but its content is based on old but everlasting human values. Lost values in our modern day society, but not forgotten. Bounded by an artificial hibernation, waiting for a care given heart to unfold its beauty, like the first blossom arises after a cold and darkened winter. Supernatural is such a blossom. Love, trust and faith visually painted in words: “rise and shine” the authentic human quest.
“Family Business” a trademark for conservative values, values that had not too be codified, values that everyone despite his nationality understands. Our protagonists are being watched all over the world, therefore when excited viewers in France, Pakistan or Germany listen to Dean saying “TRUST me Sammy you’ve got nothing too worry about…” (S905) we all know in the end without translation or culture boundaries, that this issue isn’t going to end well…
For all trust is the foundation of humanity. Or in written in simple universal plain words …Family Business.
[quote name=Sabath68]“Family Business”, the main issue of SPN is and still will be the main factor. Not a Forrest Gump ex-angel, a lesbian hacker or a surrogate father, sorry to say but they are only the lovely arranged garment on the cake. They can be changed, every season a new decoration, but the brothers are the constant in this human drama.”[/quote]
Family don’t end with blood, boy.
[quote]“Family Business”, the main issue of SPN is and still will be the main factor. Not a Forrest Gump ex-angel, a lesbian hacker or a surrogate father, sorry to say but they are only the lovely arranged garment on the cake. They can be changed, every season a new decoration, but the brothers are the constant in this human drama.”[/quote]
Family don’t end with blood, boy.
I really think you may have inadvertently made a case for Nate’s POV that the constant secrets and lies between the brothers has become an over used plot device to keep the brothers in unnecessary conflict. Your opinion that the brother’s lives and current conflict are in some way a mirror into modern societal values and humanity show how far we as fans need to stretch to come up for a reason for the current conflict.
I don’t believe the writers or the PTB are trying to address deep philosophical questions about lost values in our modern society in this show. I believe they are attempting to produce an entertaining hour of drama and comedy in a fantasy genre. Most of the time they are successful but the brother conflict is becoming a miss for me. I’m not looking to the show for a moral compass just entertainment.
I really think you may have inadvertently made a case for Nate’s POV that the constant secrets and lies between the brothers has become an over used plot device to keep the brothers in unnecessary conflict. Your opinion that the brother’s lives and current conflict are in some way a mirror into modern societal values and humanity show how far we as fans need to stretch to come up for a reason for the current conflict.
I don’t believe the writers or the PTB are trying to address deep philosophical questions about lost values in our modern society in this show. I believe they are attempting to produce an entertaining hour of drama and comedy in a fantasy genre. Most of the time they are successful but the brother conflict is becoming a miss for me. I’m not looking to the show for a moral compass just entertainment.
Thanks Sabath68
I expected a much different article after the quote TheHandsomeOne mentioned. Not only do I LOVE those characters but from a practical point of view they allow much needed time off for Jensen & Jared. You definitely won me over by the end. I completely enjoyed your thoughts on trust, faith, & love. My take from this article was that the guiding force of the show involves those universal human concepts not to teach us a moral lesson but to reflect the human condition. What a fascinating read!
Thanks Sabath68
I expected a much different article after the quote TheHandsomeOne mentioned. Not only do I LOVE those characters but from a practical point of view they allow much needed time off for Jensen & Jared. You definitely won me over by the end. I completely enjoyed your thoughts on trust, faith, & love. My take from this article was that the guiding force of the show involves those universal human concepts not to teach us a moral lesson but to reflect the human condition. What a fascinating read!
Sorry, going to leap on my Social Anthropology graduate high-horse now.
There is absolutely no basis for saying that “primordial humans trusted blindly in their leaders”. Anthropology is littered with misinterpretations of how a culture works – even when the anthropologist could go talk to the people involved. My best guess is that primordial societies were plagued by doubts and dissension just like modern societies. Obviously I don’t know for sure, but human brains have not changed physiologically since those times, so I see no reason to assume people behaved differently at that time.
OK, I’ll shut up now, since that probably isn’t even the main point of the argument 🙂
Sorry, going to leap on my Social Anthropology graduate high-horse now.
There is absolutely no basis for saying that “primordial humans trusted blindly in their leaders”. Anthropology is littered with misinterpretations of how a culture works – even when the anthropologist could go talk to the people involved. My best guess is that primordial societies were plagued by doubts and dissension just like modern societies. Obviously I don’t know for sure, but human brains have not changed physiologically since those times, so I see no reason to assume people behaved differently at that time.
OK, I’ll shut up now, since that probably isn’t even the main point of the argument 🙂
Good read. I’ve really enjoyed the return-to-roots feel of season nine, even as it feels fresh and new at the same time. The concepts of family, faith and trust are something everyone relates to and that’s why in a show about magic and demons, we can still feel very connected to the characters. Dean starts off episode nine by reiterating to Zeke the line about the family business – because that is the core of the show and who these guys are. It’s repeated over and over: family is the driving force and that flows from trust and faith in each other. It can tear them down and build them up to unstoppable forces.
Good read. I’ve really enjoyed the return-to-roots feel of season nine, even as it feels fresh and new at the same time. The concepts of family, faith and trust are something everyone relates to and that’s why in a show about magic and demons, we can still feel very connected to the characters. Dean starts off episode nine by reiterating to Zeke the line about the family business – because that is the core of the show and who these guys are. It’s repeated over and over: family is the driving force and that flows from trust and faith in each other. It can tear them down and build them up to unstoppable forces.
[quote name=”Prix68″]I don’t believe the writers or the PTB are trying to address deep philosophical questions about lost values in our modern society in this show. I believe they are attempting to produce an entertaining hour of drama and comedy in a fantasy genre. Most of the time they are successful but the brother conflict is becoming a miss for me. I’m not looking to the show for a moral compass just entertainment.[/quote]
I actually disagree Prix.. I think TPTB have always presented us with moral dilemmas beyond the scope of mere entertainment; that his what makes this show so much more powerful than say… Charmed, which was pretty much mere entertainment without a lot of metaphorical commentary or depth. This show has always delved into the bigger topics of life, topics like trust, family, sacrifice, and faith. The struggles of these characters have always been metaphor for our own struggles as human beings, just a with a few monsters on the side to make things interesting. If there had been nothing beyond mere entertainment then there would have been nothing to hold my interest (one of the reasons I have never watched Charmed much past a few episodes caught inadvertently at the gym) for the past nine years as there would be nothing worthwhile, deeper or more meaningful to hold my interest. Is it entertainment? Sure. Is it meaningful, deep, philosophical and moral? Absolutely.
[quote]I don’t believe the writers or the PTB are trying to address deep philosophical questions about lost values in our modern society in this show. I believe they are attempting to produce an entertaining hour of drama and comedy in a fantasy genre. Most of the time they are successful but the brother conflict is becoming a miss for me. I’m not looking to the show for a moral compass just entertainment.[/quote]
I actually disagree Prix.. I think TPTB have always presented us with moral dilemmas beyond the scope of mere entertainment; that his what makes this show so much more powerful than say… Charmed, which was pretty much mere entertainment without a lot of metaphorical commentary or depth. This show has always delved into the bigger topics of life, topics like trust, family, sacrifice, and faith. The struggles of these characters have always been metaphor for our own struggles as human beings, just a with a few monsters on the side to make things interesting. If there had been nothing beyond mere entertainment then there would have been nothing to hold my interest (one of the reasons I have never watched Charmed much past a few episodes caught inadvertently at the gym) for the past nine years as there would be nothing worthwhile, deeper or more meaningful to hold my interest. Is it entertainment? Sure. Is it meaningful, deep, philosophical and moral? Absolutely.
[quote name=”Manzanita Crow”]Sorry, going to leap on my Social Anthropology graduate high-horse now.
There is absolutely no basis for saying that “primordial humans trusted blindly in their leaders”. Anthropology is littered with misinterpretations of how a culture works – even when the anthropologist could go talk to the people involved. My best guess is that primordial societies were plagued by doubts and dissension just like modern societies. Obviously I don’t know for sure, but human brains have not changed physiologically since those times, so I see no reason to assume people behaved differently at that time.
OK, I’ll shut up now, since that probably isn’t even the main point of the argument :)[/quote]
Why, so complicated? Think about what “school” is? What do you learn in school & universities! School only distracts, thats all. Go to the basics. I studied ancient history and we learned beautiful stuff. But in the end it was garbage, why? Because through all centuries men acted the same. Them humans who had power wanted more. The same today. And the little ones followed the ones who had power. Because…they trusted them doing the right thing. The same today
Nothing changes. The Motivations are all the same. Only the names change.
In the end when you stripe down all modern scientific distractions it ends on the foundation of trust.
Not more or less. That is why the public relations companies are needed, and that is why companies & political parties spend billions in these PR factories.
Because they want you(!) to trust them. So therefore I can easily say the caveman followed his leader blindly. Because the leader in the old days had the same motivation as are leaders today.
[quote]Sorry, going to leap on my Social Anthropology graduate high-horse now.
There is absolutely no basis for saying that “primordial humans trusted blindly in their leaders”. Anthropology is littered with misinterpretations of how a culture works – even when the anthropologist could go talk to the people involved. My best guess is that primordial societies were plagued by doubts and dissension just like modern societies. Obviously I don’t know for sure, but human brains have not changed physiologically since those times, so I see no reason to assume people behaved differently at that time.
OK, I’ll shut up now, since that probably isn’t even the main point of the argument :)[/quote]
Why, so complicated? Think about what “school” is? What do you learn in school & universities! School only distracts, thats all. Go to the basics. I studied ancient history and we learned beautiful stuff. But in the end it was garbage, why? Because through all centuries men acted the same. Them humans who had power wanted more. The same today. And the little ones followed the ones who had power. Because…they trusted them doing the right thing. The same today
Nothing changes. The Motivations are all the same. Only the names change.
In the end when you stripe down all modern scientific distractions it ends on the foundation of trust.
Not more or less. That is why the public relations companies are needed, and that is why companies & political parties spend billions in these PR factories.
Because they want you(!) to trust them. So therefore I can easily say the caveman followed his leader blindly. Because the leader in the old days had the same motivation as are leaders today.
I think you’re right about people being the same today, but I disagree that they did then, and do now, follow blindly. Maybe some do but not all.
I certainly don’t trust our politicians and leading business people today. There are plenty of dissenting voices and political movements out there. Investigative journalism and so forth. For which I’m glad 😀
I think you’re right about people being the same today, but I disagree that they did then, and do now, follow blindly. Maybe some do but not all.
I certainly don’t trust our politicians and leading business people today. There are plenty of dissenting voices and political movements out there. Investigative journalism and so forth. For which I’m glad 😀
#7 Sabath68 All cavemen probably didn’t follow their leaders blindly and all people have never followed leaders blindly. Hence, revolutions, rebellions, and the wonder that was Nelson Mandela. That is fuzzy logic on your part. You know……God is love, love is blind, so
Ray Charles must be God.
#7 Sabath68 All cavemen probably didn’t follow their leaders blindly and all people have never followed leaders blindly. Hence, revolutions, rebellions, and the wonder that was Nelson Mandela. That is fuzzy logic on your part. You know……God is love, love is blind, so
Ray Charles must be God.
[quote name=”Prix68″]#7 Sabath68 All cavemen probably didn’t follow their leaders blindly and all people have never followed leaders blindly. Hence, revolutions, rebellions, and the wonder that was Nelson Mandela. That is fuzzy logic on your part. You know……God is love, love is blind, so
Ray Charles must be God.[/quote]
Really?
The powers can only function with the consent of the masses. And to get the consent they only can alter the perception and emotions of the masses, and trust, love and hope belong scientifically to the group of emotions… and they can easily be manipulated by propaganda or as we say today public relations.
If you are interested in this subject I would recommend the books from Gustave Le Bon / Edward Bernays / Sigmund Freud / Walter Lippmann / Aristotle / Platon / Machiavelli.
Btw, I would be careful mentioning Mandela, because he was until 2008 on the US Terrorist CIA / NSA governmental watch list. Yesterday a terrorist today a freedom fighter 😉
And now just think about the angels & demons how they altered the perception of Sam and Dean and used the “trust” issue only because they wanted to gain their consent.
“Would I lie to you?” Lucifer The King of Deception^^
[quote]#7 Sabath68 All cavemen probably didn’t follow their leaders blindly and all people have never followed leaders blindly. Hence, revolutions, rebellions, and the wonder that was Nelson Mandela. That is fuzzy logic on your part. You know……God is love, love is blind, so
Ray Charles must be God.[/quote]
Really?
The powers can only function with the consent of the masses. And to get the consent they only can alter the perception and emotions of the masses, and trust, love and hope belong scientifically to the group of emotions… and they can easily be manipulated by propaganda or as we say today public relations.
If you are interested in this subject I would recommend the books from Gustave Le Bon / Edward Bernays / Sigmund Freud / Walter Lippmann / Aristotle / Platon / Machiavelli.
Btw, I would be careful mentioning Mandela, because he was until 2008 on the US Terrorist CIA / NSA governmental watch list. Yesterday a terrorist today a freedom fighter 😉
And now just think about the angels & demons how they altered the perception of Sam and Dean and used the “trust” issue only because they wanted to gain their consent.
“Would I lie to you?” Lucifer The King of Deception^^
#10 Sabath68 – Yup, really.
You are attempting to state your own personal truths as established facts. There is no basis in fact that ALL people blindly follow any leader with power and good PR.
We have a saying, “You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time”.
Thanks, but I’m perfectly capable of finding my own reading material on subjects I’m interested in.
BTW – that was exactly my point when I mentioned Mandela. Even one dissenting voice, not blindly accepting the status quo, can make a difference against the powerful and go from terrorist to freedom fighter. Not that he was the only voice but one universally known.
#10 Sabath68 – Yup, really.
You are attempting to state your own personal truths as established facts. There is no basis in fact that ALL people blindly follow any leader with power and good PR.
We have a saying, “You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time”.
Thanks, but I’m perfectly capable of finding my own reading material on subjects I’m interested in.
BTW – that was exactly my point when I mentioned Mandela. Even one dissenting voice, not blindly accepting the status quo, can make a difference against the powerful and go from terrorist to freedom fighter. Not that he was the only voice but one universally known.
[quote name=”Prix68″]#10 Sabath68 – Yup, really.
You are attempting to state your own personal truths as established facts. There is no basis in fact that ALL people blindly follow any leader with power and good PR.[/quote]
Ahmm… my personal facts?
Sorry to say this is your own personal interpretation of my text, therefore I must have touched a sensitive spot of yours. Mea culpa
I’m talking about the majority of people, without the majority the powers can’t act. I’m not talking about the minority one or two groups or organizations that fight heroically against all odds. Surely there out there no doubt, but you know how they are ridiculed by the majority.
Also I know that there are a lot of true and morally intact families & people in the States as well here in Europe. But sorry to say they are not the majority.
Or do you want to say that nobody is watching the Kardashians, Miley Cyrus etc. or why is the NDAA & Patriot Act not nullified yet even though it’s contradicting the US Constitution, or why are investigative journalist being jailed by a law that has been 1917 created …;-)
[quote name=”Prix68″]#10 Sabath68 –
We have a saying, “You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time”.[/quote]
We also have a saying ‘If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.’
Therefore:
“Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.”
George Orwell
[quote name=”Prix68″]
Thanks, but I’m perfectly capable of finding my own reading material on subjects I’m interested in.[/quote]
Excuse me, I didn’t want to offend you. It was just a friendly recommendation. Because these Authors explain in detail how the perception of the majority can be altered.
[quote name=”Prix68″]BTW – that was exactly my point when I mentioned Mandela. Even one dissenting voice, not blindly accepting the status quo, can make a difference against the powerful and go from terrorist to freedom fighter. Not that he was the only voice but one universally known.[/quote]
Mandela was no saint as the media & powers in control are now artificially portraying him.
What not openly mentioned is that through the help of the CIA the South African state could arrest him. Or that his wife Winnie propagandized 1985/86 in open air rally torture against non ANC members. Or the murder rate of white farmers in SA under the ruling party of the ANC is one of the highest in the world. Phony braying, and crocodile tears notwithstanding, but some still remember the bone-chilling screams of South African blacks burnt alive by the unspeakable evil of ANC necklacing.
That is why I wrote be careful.
In conclusion trust is a delicate issue, and nobody whats to admit that he or she has been manipulated or his perception is being altered, a normal attitude nothing new on this planet.
That is why the subject on SPN for example when Sam accepted the addiction with the demon blood was a very philosophical issue of manipulation, because he thought and strongly believed he is doing something good he trusted the demon because it was logical (Lucifer & Demon: “Would I lie to you?). And by all logic and means it sounded good “saving people” and having the strength “fighting things”.
Or Dean trusting the angel “Ezekiel” because his trusted friend Castiel said he is good therefore trustworthy.
Or Kevin trusting Dean, even though in the inner core of his heart he knew that it isn’t going to end well. But he didn’t stand up and say NO!, he accepted that Dean would know best and followed his lead.
Or Sam not saying NO to Dean, after he made the deal with death. He trusts his brother blindly and said yes, I will follow you.
And the sad thing is nobody can be blamed.
“The road to hell is paved with good intentions”
[quote]#10 Sabath68 – Yup, really.
You are attempting to state your own personal truths as established facts. There is no basis in fact that ALL people blindly follow any leader with power and good PR.[/quote]
Ahmm… my personal facts?
Sorry to say this is your own personal interpretation of my text, therefore I must have touched a sensitive spot of yours. Mea culpa
I’m talking about the majority of people, without the majority the powers can’t act. I’m not talking about the minority one or two groups or organizations that fight heroically against all odds. Surely there out there no doubt, but you know how they are ridiculed by the majority.
Also I know that there are a lot of true and morally intact families & people in the States as well here in Europe. But sorry to say they are not the majority.
Or do you want to say that nobody is watching the Kardashians, Miley Cyrus etc. or why is the NDAA & Patriot Act not nullified yet even though it’s contradicting the US Constitution, or why are investigative journalist being jailed by a law that has been 1917 created …;-)
[quote]#10 Sabath68 –
We have a saying, “You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time”.[/quote]
We also have a saying ‘If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.’
Therefore:
“Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.”
George Orwell
[quote]
Thanks, but I’m perfectly capable of finding my own reading material on subjects I’m interested in.[/quote]
Excuse me, I didn’t want to offend you. It was just a friendly recommendation. Because these Authors explain in detail how the perception of the majority can be altered.
[quote]BTW – that was exactly my point when I mentioned Mandela. Even one dissenting voice, not blindly accepting the status quo, can make a difference against the powerful and go from terrorist to freedom fighter. Not that he was the only voice but one universally known.[/quote]
Mandela was no saint as the media & powers in control are now artificially portraying him.
What not openly mentioned is that through the help of the CIA the South African state could arrest him. Or that his wife Winnie propagandized 1985/86 in open air rally torture against non ANC members. Or the murder rate of white farmers in SA under the ruling party of the ANC is one of the highest in the world. Phony braying, and crocodile tears notwithstanding, but some still remember the bone-chilling screams of South African blacks burnt alive by the unspeakable evil of ANC necklacing.
That is why I wrote be careful.
In conclusion trust is a delicate issue, and nobody whats to admit that he or she has been manipulated or his perception is being altered, a normal attitude nothing new on this planet.
That is why the subject on SPN for example when Sam accepted the addiction with the demon blood was a very philosophical issue of manipulation, because he thought and strongly believed he is doing something good he trusted the demon because it was logical (Lucifer & Demon: “Would I lie to you?). And by all logic and means it sounded good “saving people” and having the strength “fighting things”.
Or Dean trusting the angel “Ezekiel” because his trusted friend Castiel said he is good therefore trustworthy.
Or Kevin trusting Dean, even though in the inner core of his heart he knew that it isn’t going to end well. But he didn’t stand up and say NO!, he accepted that Dean would know best and followed his lead.
Or Sam not saying NO to Dean, after he made the deal with death. He trusts his brother blindly and said yes, I will follow you.
And the sad thing is nobody can be blamed.
“The road to hell is paved with good intentions”
Sabath68 – Quoting you, “Dean gave in a sacred place his ultimate promise to trust his brother whatever comes….” Not true. Dean never uses the word trust but says he puts Sam above all else in his life. Above closing hell, above Benny, etc. Dean states that Sam comes first in his life above all things past and present and apparently after 9.01, above even Sam’s own wish not to be possessed.
Quoting you, “Family business is a trademark for conservative values….” Family values is a trademark for conservative values not family business. The family business is “hunting things, saving people.”
Quoting you, “Without love there is no trust.” I trust my car mechanic to fix my car properly and for a fair price because of past experiences with him but I don’t love him.
You have touched a sensitive spot with me when you express your views as if you are the teacher speaking truths to the less knowledgeable student. Flowery language does not make for a more compelling argument for me. If I am misinterpreting your tone because English is a second language for you, then I apologize. I still find a lot of your views flawed in this article but that is strictly my opinion.
Sabath68 – Quoting you, “Dean gave in a sacred place his ultimate promise to trust his brother whatever comes….” Not true. Dean never uses the word trust but says he puts Sam above all else in his life. Above closing hell, above Benny, etc. Dean states that Sam comes first in his life above all things past and present and apparently after 9.01, above even Sam’s own wish not to be possessed.
Quoting you, “Family business is a trademark for conservative values….” Family values is a trademark for conservative values not family business. The family business is “hunting things, saving people.”
Quoting you, “Without love there is no trust.” I trust my car mechanic to fix my car properly and for a fair price because of past experiences with him but I don’t love him.
You have touched a sensitive spot with me when you express your views as if you are the teacher speaking truths to the less knowledgeable student. Flowery language does not make for a more compelling argument for me. If I am misinterpreting your tone because English is a second language for you, then I apologize. I still find a lot of your views flawed in this article but that is strictly my opinion.
Nice article.
For a second though, I thought I was reading comments on a TV show….
😮
We can all state our opinions safely here.
Peace and love, people.
Nice article.
For a second though, I thought I was reading comments on a TV show….
😮
We can all state our opinions safely here.
Peace and love, people.