Official CW Press Release for Supernatural 10.22
The CW has released the description for episode 10.22.
SUPERNATURAL
“The Prisoner” — (9:00-10:00 p.m. ET)DEAN IS ON A RAMPAGE — When it comes to the Stynes, Dean (Jensen Ackles) decides to take matters into his own hands. Sam (Jared Padalecki) tries to come to terms with his decision. Thomas J. Wright directed this episode written by Andrew Dabb (#1021). Original airdate 5/13/2015.
Episodes were shot out of order, which is why the description calls this 1021.
It looks like the Mark is really affecting Dean. Can he really take on the Stynes? What decision will Sam have to come to terms with? What do you think? Let us know in the comments.
Sam’s decision=Decision to free Lucifer?
If they really go with Sam deliberately releasing Lucifer, that would probably kill the show for me. Up until now, doing anything to save your brother has not meant destroying the world and intentionally starting, or in this case restarting the Apocalypse. That doesn’t mean they won’t go that way, merely that for me it would be a bridge too far.
I don’t think they would ever have him release Lucifer. Not because they wouldn’t want to do irreparable damage to Sam’s character, because they don’t seem to care about that, but because it would present enormous difficulties for next year. How would they ever cage him up again? The brothers used the one and only tactic they had, and Lucifer certainly would never fall for that again. I just don’t see where they would go with the story if Lucy gets out.
I think it’s also to much of a risk as far as casting goes. I can’t imagine anyone other than Mark Pellegrino doing the role, but he’s a pretty busy guy…. which potentially means recasting, something that wouldn’t go over well with the fandom.
I want Sam’s decision to be that he chooses not to go down the dark path to save world, that he chooses the world and the possibility of unfavorable consequences over saving Dean from the MOC. I think that would be a massive and finally mature decision on behalf of the writers. I would love for Sam to just stop because he is the only one who can stop himself and say its not worth the possibly huge and catastrophic consequences. It would be brilliant if we end up coming back around after 3 seasons to Sam being right all along, letting each other go and not choosing themselves/each-other/their brotherhood over the world to be the right and heroic path. It would also match Dean’s sudden new outlook on not throwing the world under the bus to save him make sense in terms of his 3 year arc as he will now have walked in Sam’s shoes and understand why Sam was right. I would love for this to be the outcome. Sam stops, Dean knows the truth and they decide they will find another way. It wont happen though
My predictions-
-Dean will find out via the Stynes that Sam did not burn the book in episode 21
-Dean will be pissed at Sam and make Sam feel like crap about what he’s doing even though he’s actually only doing it for Dean and only doing what Dean would have done in the boot was on the other foot
-Dean will give Sam an ultimatum either Sam is with Dean and not using the book or he’s on his own and using the book/going down that dark and dangerous road
-Sam having been basically guilted into it for 3 whole seasons will chose to save Dean even if he has to go it alone without Dean and has to be the ‘hated man’
-the brothers are separated for episode 22 where Dean goes after the Stynes (so he doesnt get his hands dirty and we can still sort of see that the MOC is making him a bit more violent than usual)
-Sam spends the episode coming to terms with his decision that he will now be hated by his brother and will once again be doing the ‘wrong’ thing but will accept it as long as he saves Dean from the MOC even at the expense of innocent lives and potentially unleashing a major new threat on the world
-Sam will not kill Crowley
-the season finale will centre on MOC Dean trying to kill Castiel with Sam popping up with the cure in the last few minutes to save Cas
-it will seem like everything might actually have worked out but then at the last minute something majorly bad will happen that will be the big storyline for next season along with the brothers being back to where they were at the beginning of season 5
It feels like we’re headed towards a rehashing of the season 4 finale with season 11 a rehash of season 5. The potential big bads for next season being The Stynes (even though Dean will have already fought them with the Mark 3? times) and maybe a supercharged Queen of Hell Rowena.
Season 11 for the 4
-Dean cured of the MOC and pissed, distrustful of everyone esp Sam, but hey he was right all along again. Stynes as new enemies. Having to clean up Sam’s mess
-Cas alive still without a purpose mainly because I cant think of what they can/will do with him
-Crowley alive and no longer king of hell, siding against Rowena alongside the Winchesters next season
-Sam under the wheels of a semi, majorly wrong, majorly guilty, back to not being trusted by Dean, hated by everyone, probably in the background for most of the season
Jeremy Carver is that you?
Stoppit!:p
I just don’t think that Sam would ever do that on purpose, not even for Dean. But if something goes horribly wrong with a spell or someone happens to be in cahoots with Lucifer and betrays Sam who know what could happen? It just doesn’t make any sense though, who would benefit from that happening? Except Lucifer. I have no idea where this is headed.
I do tend to think the E is right that the difficulty of casting Lucifer makes his return improbable. Mark Pelligrino is so associated with the role that I can’t see a recast and the only other choice, Jared as Lucifer for an entire season would not go over well at all, IMHO. I will admit that I could buy Lucifer coming back if DEAN were the one to jail break him because he’s being influenced by the MOC. Yes, Sam using the Book could be part of it, but having it be on Dean’s head is a way I could accept. But I don’t think they will ever stain Dean’s character that way and the logistics of Lucifer make it an unlikely scenario.
I see that Dean’s killing rampage is once again only those people who “deserve” it. I like the concept of the Stynes, but having Dean go on a rampage to kill them off is doing the world a favor and pretty noble IMO. Hardly the kind of thing the world needs to be protected from. Who’d you rather have around Dean with the Mark or the Stynes? Seems to me the Mark is getting to be a more and more favorable thing as we go along.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure the chance of Dean killing a possessed person whose human persona is begging him to let them live is slim to none. MOC Dean will be like Demon!Dean he will only kill bad guys and psychologically torment Sam.
I think that Charlie will die at the end of “Dark Dynasty,” (the episode before this). That is going to be the catalyst for Dean’s rampage. Sam is going to have to deal with his guilt over Charlie’s death, because he didn’t burn the book. Or because he put Charlie to work on decrypting the book with Rowena. The Stynes could come in, get the book, kill Charlie, and let Rowena escape. The Styne character in “The Book of the Damned” said that his brothers would never stop looking for the book. Losing Charlie would have Sam’s story parallel Dean’s guilt over Kevin’s death in season 9.
I kind of felt that Charlie was doomed when she had the “so this is my life now” conversation with Sam. Plus, it’s been a while since the Winchesters have lost someone close to them. But . . .Will they have Charlie stay dead? Who knows? Maybe the reason the writers had Cas find his grace was so that he would be able to resurrect her.
Will Sam kill Crowley? If I were Crowley, I would start having one of my minions take over my meatsuit and be my stand-in while I took over a nice anonymous meatsuit for a while. Crowley has pulled the switcheroo before, (with his bones in season 6). It would allow Dean or Sam to kill “Crowley” and still have Mark Sheppard back for a (hopefully) better storyline for next season. And it would be a built-in Star Wars reference.
The story seems to be going with getting rid of the Mark of Cain through curse removal/magic instead of trying to get to the Cage and Lucifer. I don’t see how they could justify letting Lucifer out of the Cage. They would have no expectation that he could be controlled, and they would know that Lucifer would only wreak destruction on Earth. On the other hand, Michael would be equally powerful as Lucifer (or more) and they might have a hope that Michael would be able to remove the Mark if they released him.
Last thought – I am never right.
(regarding your first 2 paragraphs)
nonononononononono
no!
😮
Anyway Castiel is a 2000 year old angel, if he can’t protect Charlie from getting killed then what is his purpose in life?
Hmm, you had me at “Charlie will die.” Excellent idea, and not because I totally loathe the character or anything. More because they really kind of have the “Cas problem” with Charlie now. When Charlie is around there is no problem she can’t solve, no bad guy she can’t defeat. With her as a full fledged hunter–nay, the smartest, most badass hunter EVER–where’s the dramatic tension? The boys are stumped– hey, let’s call Charlie! The boys need to find a magical book that’s been lost for a century, and even the magical owner of the book (who has a super duper magical book finder!) can’t find it–hey, let’s call Charlie! She’ll find it wihin a couple of weeks! She’s the ultimate deus ex machina. Charlie rant over. Although you make a good point about hints of a Charlie demise. Right before Kevin died he said to Dean “I always get screwed” and Dean laughed it off with a “not always” and BOOM Kevin’s a goner.
Almost all of the speculation revolves around Sam using foolhardy means to get rid of the MOC, resulting in catastrophic consequences. To me, the absolute worst case scenario is that Sam uses a foolish tactic and not only doesn’t cure Dean, but it actually turns him into a full-fledged demon who instantly kills Crowley and becomes king of Hell. That would leave us with a very tired re-tread of this season–Sam must save Dean–but with the new component of Sam being completely responsible for the whole situation and therefore wallowing in the worst guilt ever while trying to save Dean. I’m at the point where how they resolve the situation isn’t as important as setting up a plot for next year that gives Sam something to do other than drowning in guilt.
Also, now I’m thinking that maybe the “prisoner” of the title refers to Rowena.
Although I understand the feelings about Charlie, I am going to be really angry if, once the whole Mark thing is taken care of, Dean decides that he can’t forgive Sam because Charlie died and it’s all Sam’s fault.
I wouldn’t even mind Dean throwing Charlie’s death in Sam’s face if they then script Sam saying that UNLIKE KEVIN, Charlie was fully aware of the dangers and still chose to help save Dean by decoding the Book. Also, (Sam will say) unlike Charlie, Kevin was not a top notch hunter, nor did he choose to be a hunter at all. He was just a geeky mathlete who didn’t even choose being a prophet, yet he died (at Sam’s hands) as a consequence of a DECISION DEAN MADE. It would be ludicrous for TPTB to present a Charlie death as strictly Sam’s fault, especially after her ridiculous ruminations on the miseries of her life as a hunter, a life she has CHOSEN. Now this is not to say that TPTB won’t do just that, and will not bother to have Dean reflect on how he has made similarly disastrous choices, and how he has all but goaded Sam into taking terrible risks. And I will share your outrage if that’s how things unfold. But if they have decided that Sam is going to be the goat, the cause of any horrors that ensue, it almost doesn’t matter what route they take. It will suck no matter how they do this, no matter who dies.
I know Sam will be the Goat no matter what. My objection is the concern that Charlie’s importance will be magnified. I could forgive your betraying me with Ruby. I could forgive the lies. I could forgive you releasing Lucifer. But you killed the shining light of my world, Charlie. That I can never forgive! It follows the through line of Charlie becoming the biggest, smartest, most important person on Supernatural. I don’t really want to see the character glorified that way. I may be jumping the gun, but Charlie has been pushed hard as practically perfect this year and I’m worried from that viewpoint.
Dean will never ever accept his part in influencing Sam’s actions, just as he refused to realize that Sam turning to Ruby was a direct result of Dean’s deal. He states that he had no choice but to shove an angel in Sam, because that’s just how he is. He goes on about how Sam not looking for him in Purgatory is reason for him to trust Benny and everyone else more than Sam and for him to hit Sam over the head with being a bad brother. He totally ignores Sam’s mental state and how that played into Sam’s actions. Dean being angry or grieving is front and center. Sam’s is dismissed with “I deserve to be selfish”
It is true that they have magnified Charlie’s importance. Not only is she Dean’s little sis, she is now also besties with Cas, and apparently Sam’s primary confidant, this after they’ve never had anything in the way of a personal conversation. Now I think there really is a chance that Charlie will die. Why else would RT, who has never showed ANY interest in developing a personal relationship between Sam and Charlie, now have Sam spilling his guts to her, the same Sam who apparently has decided to keep all of his thoughts and emotions completely bottled up for 2 years? Clearly, the reason is that, in the event that Charlie dies, Dean and Cas can hate Sam for causing the death of their sis/bestie and Sam will hate himself because he has caused the death of the only person on the planet with whom he is comfortable sharing his feelings.
Considering the show would have Sam guilty for the extinction of the dinosaurs then cynically I would have to agree with the consensus that if Charlie met a nasty end on Sam’s head be it.
I’m pretty sure global warming is also his fault–he uses a lot of electricity with all of that computer research!
You know Sam isn’t allowed say stuff like that. That would be ‘harsh’ – see The Purge for details.
And yes TPTB are perfectly capable of laying Charlie’s death on Sam no matter how it happens.
*Charlie dies at the age of 90 in bed with Scarlett Johansson*
Fandom: she would have lived AT LEAST another week if it weren’t for Sam once asking for her help to translate the book – that Dean told him to destroy.
However we are are all going to send positive vibes that Charlie will live forever and everyone will be happy. After all there is no real reason to think she is going to die. The whole thing is a smart move by RT if you ask me …
[quote]*Charlie dies at the age of 90 in bed with Scarlett Johansson*
Fandom: she would have lived AT LEAST another week if it weren’t for Sam once asking for her help to translate the book – that Dean told him to destroy.[/quote]
That had me giggling for 5 minutes. Keep ’em coming eilf!
I don’t think Sam’s decision is anything more than not telling Dean that he is working with Rowena to translate the book that Dean told him to destroy?
Rampant speculation on my part – and you did read that last line, right? I have never been able to predict the way the story is going to unfold. 😉
I am only ever able to predict the story when it is something I absolutely don’t want to happen :p