Sneak Peek #2 for Supernatural 10.15
The CW has issued another sneak peek for Wednesday’s episode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abZNBkS3_BY&feature=em-uploademail
So, Dean and Sam are looking into a friend of Cole. They are remarkably calm with a man who tortured Sam and totally willing to include and trust him in a hunt, even when he makes it clear that he may be willing to interfere with them. So what do you think? Are you glad to see Cole back? Do you think Cole will be an help or a hindrance? Let us know in the comments.
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Torture Sam ? Who cares….
Well it has to be remembered that nobody remembers what is done to Sam 5 minutes after it happened. Cole torturing Sam is just par of the course in the on going world of SPN.
Yeah Sharon, the only time anyone remembers anything Sam did or was done to him is to bring it up to criticize him with later. Otherwise, if it was a good deed, an heroic act, a bit of torture by another character? Meh… who cares… clearly it’s not worth remembering or mentioning, because that would actually make SENSE in the grand scheme of things, so, since its Sam why bother? Humph.
AnonymousN that has to be the best primal scream I have ever seen 😉 I completely identify with it. And no, there is no possibility that anyone will ever acknowledge the damage they do to Sam.
Screaming right along with you ….
Man’s a saint basically. No wonder Death is impressed with him!
But even just from a storyline point of view it makes NO sense, considering the amount of damage Cole was trying to do to Sam, that they won’t even make a passing reference to it. Especially when Sam was an innocent bystander in this instance it was all purely done to get to Dean – and if Cole thinks he wasn’t, then the storyline should acknowledge that.
Again we have a character in Cole who (perhaps unconsciously) reflects the single-minded focus on Dean that several of the writers have.
Well since the promo pictures show mostly Dean and Cole I would have to say that Sam and Cole don’t have a lot to say to each other. I guess I can see why it would be better to let him come along rather than get into trouble on his own and need rescuing (which is kind of what looks like is going to happen anyway). Travis sure has a friendship going on with Jarpad so maybe they have more scenes than this short promo.
[quote]Well since the promo pictures show mostly Dean and Cole I would have to say that Sam and Cole don’t have a lot to say to each other. [/quote]
Yes, and next week since the pictures are mostly Dean and the nun Sam doesn’t have much to say there either. And in The Executioners song Sam didn’t have much to say to Cain. In Halt and Catch Fire, Sam didn’t have much to say to the widow. And in About a Boy, Sam didn’t have much to say to Tina….. he doesn’t’ have much to say to anyone about anything.
Since Dean was a demon at the time, I’m guessing he didn’t know about Cole torturing Sam. Dean also didn’t seem all that happy to be working with Cole since he brushed by him and said “Hell, no”. Sam, on the other hand, does seem more sympathic to Cole for some reason, and did give Dean the look, suggesting they should use his info. What an odd coincidence that Cole spent 10 years looking for Dean and couldn’t find him and now they have a case involving his best friend. Seems like lazy writing to me.
Dean and Cole did talk on the phone and I’m guessing Dean remembers everything he did as a demon. Sam has always been the forgiving type so that doesn’t surprise me about him. It would be nice if Cole would at least acknowledge that he did beat the crap out of Sam and maybe feels the least bit bad about it. I imagine that now Sam and Dean are on his radar he knows what is going to attract them to certain places.
You’re right about the phone call. I forgot about that. Still I think it’s odd that Cole hasn’t said something to Sam about that time or vice versa. It certainly wouldn’t be above Dean to hold a grudge against Cole for it, at least. It also sounded like Cole came because the guy’s wife called him and recognized the car later. Odd that it would involve Cole’s best friend. The whole promo seemed off to me. JMO. It felt like the boys were handling Cole with kid gloves . Not the way they usually act when a civilian wants to tag along
Everybody has good points and Yes they seemed to have overlooked what Cole did to Sam but we are only getting snippets here. And the conversation they are having doesn’t require Sam & Cole to have a bitch session. After the fight scene with Dean in Girls, Girls, Girls the writers may have assumed we thought that Sam and Cole talked it out then ( Yeah lazy writing ) But when Cole was torturing Sam – Sam seemed to understand there and then what was happening and forgave Cole straight away. Sweet Sam so forgiving. All in all though I like Cole and I would like to see his character developed by the writers as a new hunter and friend to the Boys they need this after losing everybody. He could help re-fresh the show and give it some new angles to explore. I hope his Sam’s best mate LOL. xo
Jen, I agree on this too. I mean a scene is a scene, a promo picture is a promo picture and even a promo vid is only 30 sec or so long. There was a lot of happening in Girls, girls, girls so I don’t see it lazy writing but like many times they have only 42 minutes sometimes to fit it all. Cole didn’t have heart to heart with Dean either on GGG but it’s Dean so it seems not to count. My point is that sometimes the time is short. I think you wrote in a nice manner what I was thinking.
And to the topic. I like that Cole is back and would love him to stay alive. From the sneak peek they seem to deepen his character a bit and even if he is going to be the helper of the case I think the boys also take him with that he won’t get in trouble or make a mess of things. Cole still don’t know fully what is out there. I really can’t connect the separate pieces beforehand so can’t wait for the whole episode.
Again, nice points Jen. 🙂
– Lilah
[quote]I mean a scene is a scene, a promo picture is a promo picture and even a promo vid is only 30 sec or so long. [/quote]This video was 2 minutes long.We were talking about a pattern which has been seen.
Dean had a conversation with Cole..Sam did not.[quote]DEAN
No. Now, I’m gonna clean this mess up once and for all. You’re gonna give me five minutes, and we’re gonna talk.
Get up.
COLE
After that… If you don’t like what you hear…[Dean turns his gun and hands it to Cole]…you still want me dead, you take your shot.
[Cole takes the gun and points it towards Dean]
DEAN
What I do… is hunt monsters. Your dad, Cole — your dad was a monster.
COLE
Yeah, you say that now, but last time we fought, you couldn’t even remember his name.
DEAN
2003, Nyack, New York, Ed Trenton. I was working a case. Three dead –livers ripped out and eaten by your father.
COLE
Livers?
DEAN
Yeah, I tracked him down that night to your house.
COLE
Well, you say he was a monster.
What kind of monster was he?
DEAN
I don’t know. Never seen that kind before, never seen it again. All I know is that he came home that night looking to kill — could’ve been you, could’ve been your mom.
COLE
No.
DEAN
The only reason that didn’t happen is because I was there to stop him.
COLE
I heard his voice. It was a human voice, and he begged you to stop!
DEAN
It’s a ploy. It’s a monster’s trick.
I know what you heard, but know this — that was not your father, Cole. Your father was already gone.
DEAN
[Looks over Cole’s shoulder and points.
Put it down. Sam, put it down!
[Cole turns and sees Sam aiming a gun at him. Cole aims his gun at Dean]
DEAN
Cole, it’s fine.
SAM
Dean?
DEAN
Put it down!
[Sam lowers his gun and Cole turns his gun back towards Dean]
DEAN
Cole, hey, right here. We’re talking, okay?
COLE
How can I believe you, huh?
{shouts] How can I believe you?!
My whole life, I’ve been…
DEAN
I get it. That was your story. Look, man, I got one of those, too. Okay, but those stories that we tell to keep us going? Man, sometimes they blind us. They take us to dark places –the kind of place where I might beat the crap out of a good man just for the fun of it. The people who love me, they pulled me back from that edge.
Cole, once you touch that darkness… It never goes away. Now, the truth is… I’m past saving. I know how my story ends. It’s at the edge of a blade or the barrel of a gun. So, the question is, is that gonna be today?That gonna be that gun?
SAM
You’ve got a family, Cole.
[Dean and Cole face Sam]
I heard you on the phone that night. I’m guessing they need you to come back, and they need you to come back whole.
[Cole, crying, hand Dean back his gun]
[Scene changes to Caroline standing at the door to a house and Joe on the other side of the door. Joe opens the door and the look at each other. Camera pulls back to show Castiel sitting in his car at the curb in front of the house, looking at Caroline and Joe] [/quote][quote]but it’s Dean so it seems not to count.[/quote]wow .I have quoted the dialogue.It seems that to invalidate the point we were making you had to [quote]Cole didn’t have heart to heart with Dean either on GGG[/quote]Watch the episode again and refresh your memory.
There it was cole who felt who was wronged and he got an explanation and acknowledgement from dean…now that Sam was wronged Sam gets bupkis.
Dean did not get a heart to heart, if you entirely missed that scene then what you are saying is true.May be your region had a long break filled with commercials.
Dean did get the conversation with Cole at the end of ‘Girls, Girls, Girls’ (and I don’t recall anyone strapping Dean up and torturing him). Nobody was asking for a heart to heart between Sam and Cole. The likelihood of that happening is nil. However, common decency and respect (for both characters involved) would dictate that if you do somebody a serious wrong then you at least acknowledge that and maybe, just maybe, apologise for what you did to them. However, this is SPN, and apologies to Sam (or even acknowledgements that they did wrong by Sam) rarely happen. Going by the clip, Cole is being modelled as a Dean Winchester type hunter (the attire, the flippancy, the ‘I’m going to do it anyway’ attitude) so an acknowledgement that what he did was wrong and/or an apology for what he did to Sam becomes more unlikely.
MK: No, I don’t see Dean’s conversation as heart to heart but that is my own view. He was from half point also talking to Sam (as I saw it). Heart to heart with both characters I would have seen been after all the tension ended and the job was done aka before Cole leaving like we saw in the end. So that is my take. And also as I have very different view on Sam and the show I’ll skip that discussion because it would lead nowhere. (I wouldn’t change my mind etc. etc. etc. You wouldn’t etc. etc. etc.) So, agreeing on disagreeing here. 🙂
I will response only this once as I really do not see this on the topic of the sneak peek which I continued also further along on my first comment.
– Lilah
I didn’t say it was a heart to heart with Dean, I said that it was a conversation with Dean (though both Cole and Dean did speak from the heart, that’s how the situation was resolved). I’ve don’t know how you’re making out that what Cole said was also to Sam. Cole wasn’t even aware that Sam was there until halfway through the conversation and after he was made aware of it, Dean carried the conversation.
And may I gently point out that (a) you don’t actually know what my view on Sam or the show is so you really can’t say that you see things different and (b) I merely posted a reply to a comment on a discussion board. Nowhere did I indicate I was attempting to chance your mind. It’s discussion, not a debating competition.
Alright, I saw the scene in my head so didn’t wrote it like I meant. As Dean and Cole were talking I saw Dean talking to Sam at the same time as he was there. My different opinion actually was to your comment and how you wrote it. And just copied your phrase from this: “Nobody was asking for a [b]heart to heart[/b] between Sam and Cole.” This is probably the first time I see you comment so I have nothing else than reply to what you wrote. The last part is usually safe way to put I see it my way and you see it yours so agreeing on disagreeing here. And that is from my side again. You didn’t attempt anything and didn’t see it that way either. I hope this makes it clear. Was just trying to answer your comment shortly. 🙂
– Lilah
[quote]I saw Dean talking to Sam at the same time as he was there[/quote]Cole was not talking to Sam.Dean talking to Sam is another point but cole did not.[quote]”Nobody was asking for a heart to heart between Sam and Cole.” [/quote]which is true.[quote]Heart to heart with both characters I would have seen been after all the tension ended and the job was done aka before Cole leaving like we saw in the end. [/quote]This can be used if Dean’s part in the conversation with Cole is to be neglected.The funny thing is when we say We want aknowledgement or explanation it is implied in your comments that we want heart to heart but that will not be because Dean did not have an heart to heart.That was not even what we told .So if you want to say about heart to heart you do but we never said about any heart to heart.
I’m sorry, Lilah Kane, but I’m having difficulty making sense of your comment.
The ‘heart to heart’ comment was initially used by you, in this sentence, [quote]Cole didn’t have heart to heart with Dean either on GGG but it’s Dean so it seems not to count.[/quote] I merely stated that no-one was looking for a heart to heart between Sam and Cole. (I don’t think any fan would be foolish enough to expect it)
I’m also struggling to understand the relevance of Dean also possibly addressing Sam in that conversation. The issue was with Sam and Cole, not Sam and Dean.
Dean did get the conversation with Cole at the end of ‘Girls, Girls, Girls’ (and I don’t recall anyone strapping Dean up and torturing him). Nobody was asking for a heart to heart between Sam and Cole. The likelihood of that happening is nil. However, common decency and respect (for both characters involved) would dictate that if you do somebody a serious wrong then you at least acknowledge that and maybe, just maybe, apologise for what you did to them. However, this is SPN, and apologies to Sam (or even acknowledgements that they did wrong by Sam) rarely happen. Going by the clip, Cole is being modelled as a Dean Winchester type hunter (the attire, the flippancy, the ‘I’m going to do it anyway’ attitude) so an acknowledgement that what he did was wrong and/or an apology for what he did to Sam becomes more unlikely.
Right there with you Lilah! It’s a promo, a short scene. I like that Cole is standing his ground and not taking the Winchesters crap. Its his friend, he’s standing firm. As far as an apology? Maybe Sam will get one, maybe not. Did Cole apologize for trying to kill Dean? Nope. It was Cole’s bad luck he caught up with him when he was demonized but that doesnt change the fact that Cole tracked Dean specifically to kill him. When Cole had his second confrontation with then human? Dean, he didn’t apologize nor did he get an apology from Dean. What he did get was an explanation as to what went down all those years ago, but no apology. I will really be surprised if anyone apologizes to anyone. Sam understands what happened and why, I suspect he may even feel like Cole and he have both been on the same side of the table when it came to torturing someone for a loved one (Sam with the CR Demon for Deans location and Cole with Sam for Deans location). Dean understands what happened and why and Cole understands what happened in the past and why, although not so much with the demonic Dean who is now standing before him, non demonic. Poor Cole, his head has to be spinning. They’re men, hard core. I doubt you will hear any mea culpas, tearful or otherwise.
There is a lot that they can do with Cole as a character. I’m trying not to get too interested in him tho cause I’m waiting for that red shirt fitting. I like him because he stands up to both Sam and Dean, refuses to just be pushed aside. At the end of the scene I’m surprised he didn’t call shotgun!!!
We do not know what Sam understood or thought it was never acknowledged . We can assume and we can take it for granted that Sam was fine with the treatment dished out and even if he wasnt would it matter ?. It is not a apology but a acknowledgement a simple scene would of done Sam is not a demon or is a CRD he is a human and one that was already hurt .
Just because Cole is yet another of the liked characters along with Benny and Gadreel his actions towards Sam are excused.
It didn’t have to be a big bro moment but maybe Cole just putting his hand out to shake Sam’s and saying something like sorry about our first meeting, no hard feelings I hope. Every time they meet it feels like the elephant in the room to me. Just maybe it will happen in this episode.
I kinda doubt Cole feels like he needs to apologize. He was on a mission, he did what he had to do. Military minded. It’s done, he moves on. I don’t think he even thinks Sam wants an apology, nor do I really feel Sam does. I mean – Cole: ‘Hey man, sorry for when I kidnapped you, restrained you against your will and then started going Guantanamo on your ass. We good?’ Sam: ‘Yeah, we’re good.’ Seems like a conversation between two warriors that really would never be verbalized. I’m thinking the apology will come in some form of action Cole takes this episode. You know, when he dons that red shirt and dies! (Please no)
We do not know what Sam wants we never hear from him the writers merely handled it the way they always do. I just wanted acknowledgement that Sam is not everybody’s whipping boy just to take their issues or family revenge out on whether Sam or Cole or both think it is just acceptable makes no difference .
I have to admit, while I often disagree with your opinions, I do love the Star Trek references- “phasers on stun” and the red shirts. 🙂 And actually I would enjoy it if Cole and Sam had your hypothetical conversation. For one thing, it’s funny, and for another, I’ll take any little dribbles of Sam POV we can get.
😉
Yeah, even if I don’t want to I see him becoming a red shirt. I hope I am wrong but I see him to kick the bucket in this episode because it’s Supernatural. Like I said. I hope I am wrong though.
– Lilah
[quote] I like that Cole is standing his ground and not taking the Winchesters crap. Its his friend , he’s standing firm[/quote]
Unless Cole is already infected with the Khan worm and is playing the Winchesters. We shall see…..
Good point, Cole may already be infected, he seemed a bit more snarky than the last time he left the Winchesters.
Ooooh! Interesting!!! Devious. I like!!!!!
Yes, glad to see Cole back. Could be an interesting character. Sam and Dean seem to be on an equal reaction to Cole here- do not necessarily want him tagging along but know he is placing himself in the mix and they know they will have to deal with it/him one way or another. Cheryl42 is right. Sam is the forgiving… and understanding. Sam also knows what motivated Cole to hurt him and to go back after Dean. Sam had empathy when at their last encounter (fighting Dean round II) he told Cole to go home his family needed him in one piece. Sam knows everyone gets hurt in their world, getting beat up for one reason or another is part of the game. This is the supernatural world, Cole has been touched and introduced….. he may also be a little intrigued and still trying to understand what happened to his Dad and he wants to protect his friend; no surprise he is back for more. Hope he does not bite the dust via the KW.
I have to agree with eilf…. yes, we know Sam is the forgiving type, but why should we be forced to assume that he must have forgiven Cole off screen? Why can’t we see that on screen? Why is every single thing pertaining to Sam ignored unless it somehow reflects back to Dean? So, when Cole is torturing Sam to get to Dean we get to see that? But when Cole should be saying “Hey man, no hard feelings?” for Sam’s sake, the writers can’t be bothered? It’s not about Sam being forgiving or not forgiving it’s about Sam getting some equal treatment as a character from the writers.
Sam should have worth and value a acknowledgement that it was not ok for someone regardless of motivation to torture him would not of been wrong, but it does seem to be a running theme with Sam and any hurt done him .
[quote]Sam should have worth and value a acknowledgement that it was not ok for someone regardless of motivation to torture him would not of been wrong, but it does seem to be a running theme with Sam and any hurt done him .[/quote]exactly sharon.
You put it into words so much better than I! 🙂
The common thread running through many of these comments is “Sam probably thought/realized/knew” and “Sam is forgiving so he probably forgave” etc. But why should we be forced to write our own scripts essentially for what Sam is thinking/feeling? So far this season I know exactly what Dean has been thinking and feeling almost every episode, and I haven’t had to guess it based on what I know about Dean. And that’s great. But all we know about Sam’s thoughts this entire season is “must save Dean.” Sam is an interesting and complex character and I’m sure he’s had a few other thoughts and emotions. I should not have to assume or guess what those thoughts are. That’s why shows have WRITERS and SCRIPTS. Maybe this is the episode where this will all change, but what we’ve seen in the pics and preview indicate otherwise.
He was going to break Sam’s knee with a hammer … and electrocute him … he also actually did further damage to his arm …
There was no indication of any sort whatsoever that Sam said a single word to Cole or that Cole even acknowledged his existence in G3, never mind what the writers might think we might assume.
Actually I somewhat suspect that Cole , not his friend, might turn out to be the bad-guy in this episode it would explain him being on the spot. That would be a good twist 😉 ETA: Doh! this is the Khan worm episode … never mind. The twist would be Cole NOT being the monster.
Honestly though it doesn’t matter what Sam thinks about what Cole did.
It really truly doesn’t matter what Dean thinks about what Cole did. It wasn’t being done to Dean, it was being done to Sam.
How is a character supposed to be accepted as a hero in this universe if they can’t see and atone themselves for what they did? It shouldn’t need to be pointed out to Cole, or any real person, that if you want to be a good person you shouldn’t torture people. And if you do and discover that you made a serious mistake, then you at least acknowledge it.
Cole is distressingly like Cas season six. In season six Cas broke Sam’s wall in order to get to Dean. This season Cole broke Sam’s body in order to get to Dean. In neither case did Dean change what he was doing. We can probably count on Cole becoming a fan favorite and Dean’s newest BFF.
Yes I agree with you, I have been seeing the resemblance in the events too.
I don’t know that Cole is going to be around much longer TBH, and honestly at some point the writers are going to have to have a conversation with each other about the additions to Dean’s family, it is getting a little difficult to believe at this stage.
Ok, in the interest of not judging an episode before I see it here are the things I am optimistic will happen:
that Cole will in some way make up for what he did to Sam.
that this will be an episode where everyone has believable human reactions to things.
that there is a very good reason given for why Dean doesn’t want Sam searching for information on the MOC.
And a good reason given for why Sam doesn’t stand his ground on that instead of hiding it.
that there is also a good reason for Sam not really making any effort talk Dean out of the hunt.
that Dean has had some personal effects after killing Cain same as he did after killing Abbadon, or if not it is explained why (for example that with Abbadon he enjoyed it and it was revenge, whereas with Cain it was something he didn’t want to do)
That would be nice.
It’s totally going to happen Percy. :p
Actually I would give them a choice of any three things on my my list even.
Hate to burst bubbles but I don’t think you’re going to get an apology from Cole. That would risk validating the fact that Sam Winchester is one of the lead characters on Supernatural; you know, the show that’s supposed to be about two brothers “saving people, hunting things, the family business” ;);) Sadly, somewhere in the Jeremy Carver era, Supernatural has evolved in to a show about Dean Winchester and his trusty sidekicks Sam Winchester, Castiel, and that wascally wabbit Crowley.
Personally, I like the Cole character; only problem I had with his introduction was his back story; no way can he pass for early to mid 20’s. So it sounds like the Khan worm is back; we don’t have much else to go on for this episode so let’s sit back and watch Dean audition Cole in the role as his new brother. I thought for sure Benny had won the privilege in S8 but things didn’t quite work out as planned :D:D:D
[quote] I thought for sure Benny had won the privilege in S8 but things didn’t quite work out as planned[/quote]Oh no.. * spoiler ahead*
It seems someone is coming back from …wait for it….purgatory…dun dun dunnnnnn.
[i]Hate to burst bubbles but I don’t think you’re going to get an apology from Cole. That would risk validating the fact that Sam Winchester is one of the lead characters on Supernatural; you know, the show that’s supposed to be about two brothers “saving people, hunting things, the family business” ;);) Sadly, somewhere in the Jeremy Carver era, Supernatural has evolved in to a show about Dean Winchester and his trusty sidekicks Sam Winchester, Castiel, and that wascally wabbit Crowley.[/i]
Exactly!
I am not one to make judgments based upon a short clip. I do not have any feelings towards Cole at this moment. If he is going to die in this episode then I hope there will be a purpose to his presence this season (he should, or his actions should, reveal something that no other character was able to). Otherwise, he will have been a character it took 3 episodes to throw away. I hope I am surprised by the outcome but barring that, I hope to be entertained.
The Cole story is straight forward: Cole thought Dean killed his Dad in cold blood for no reason. Cole tortures Sam to get to Dean. Cole tries to kill Dean twice. Sam tries to tell Cole about monsters when Cole is beating on him. Dean tries to explain his role in Cole’s fathers death and like Sam, the existence of monsters. Cole did not apologize to anyone. Probably never will because he is not sorry for anything he has done because he is/was avenging his father’s death. Sam and Dean understand Cole’s motivations and we know this because of their experience and the dialogue. Also, it does not look like anyone is signing up to be friends. Cole is protecting his friend Kit. Sam and Dean are running a case. The brothers are on the same page here and do not look like they trust Cole – Cole does not trust them- either one together or apart. They are just slammed together by circumstances. I think Sam has shown he has forgiven Cole by his actions/ empathy towards Cole. You do not have to guess or write your own script unless you want to hear the words: Cole: Sorry man I hurt you bad. Sam : Hey I get it. (Insert your own dialogue here). I agree with Jen that Sam got it straight away during the time he was being beaten by Cole. Sam was sorry about Cole’s Dad, tried to explain about monsters, later during the fight scene when Cole was attempting to kill Dean, Sam had empathy for Cole and said he needed to go home whole… his family needed him. Sam was not seeking revenge, showing anger, throwing a punch (but he would kill Cole if Cole was close to taking out Dean). Sam is reminding the guy that this supernatural world is crap and family comes first. In the scene above Sam is the one who takes the extra moment with Cole to try to reassure him…. look we are not going anywhere, alright and if you care about your buddy you’ll let us handle it.” Also, in line with Cole not apologizing to Sam or anyone else is the fact Cole is cocky. In this scene, Cole is sitting on the Impala (recognized their ride and disrespecting it) with his arms crossed with a smirky grin. Doubt he is going to be Dean’s new brother. I understand that their is a bigger comment by some fans here: Sam is not respected as a lead character by the writers. I am not commenting on that issue.
spnlit: Thank you for writing this. This is how I see the situation and just can’t write it like you do. Hope you don’t mind me saying that. 🙂
I think we see Cole in his world and the Winchesters in theirs. His father was killed by Dean so he knows the outcome if someone is hunted and he doesn’t want his friend end up the same. Sam and Dean know how the hunts end so I see that they don’t want Cole on the case, but as that is ruled out they take him with to prevent huzzle and Cole messing up things or get killed. I think it’s great that Sam is trying to be the voice of reason to Cole. Thanks for bringing that up. But in the end it fails because Cole wants to keep his friend safe and yeah he doesn’t trust the boys to do it.
Nice insight.
– Lilah
If I were Cole? The heck with the apologies! The main thing that would be coming out of my mouth is asking Dean how in the Hell he became a demon?!? All he’s heard from Dean is ‘blah, blah, darkness. Blah, blah, past saving. Blah, blah, pulled me from that ledge…’ I’d be all – DETAILS man! I need DETAILS!!!!
Point well made! Loved your comment! (‘blah, blah, darkness. Blah, blah, past saving. Blah, blah, pulled me from that ledge.) Made me laugh! I bet that is exactly what he heard and was thinking: you are demon, now your not , what the hell….. DETAILS MAN ! Then he has Sam telling him hey look man just go home they need you whole! What!!!!!???? More Details!
I’d be asking them to chart it out for me. Some colored graphs…maybe an Excel spread sheet… an illustration drawn using crayons… Decoupage…something!!! Coles research couldn’t have been that fruitful – unless Bobbys vast book collection ended up in a library! ‘Yes, and here we have the Robert Singer Collection. A complete unorthodox study of the supernatural from A to Z. That would be Azazel thru Zachariah. To your right you will find…’ Hell, the Winchesters have the extensive MOL library! The least they can do is share the love! Speaking of knowledge – why aren’t they raiding Magnus Not-So-Secret Lair for info on the MOC!?! Magnus had the FirstBlade, he was knowledgeable about it. What more did he know. Not only that but the artifacts and the spells!!! Not to mention that bunny picture! It was disturbing but still pretty cool! They need some nice artwork to warm the bunker up a little, you know?
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I think you wrote your thoughts quite well all through the comments on this issue. I agree with your points about the conversation Dean had with Cole. It was an explanation to help Cole. Of course as AlyCat22 pointed out, may not have helped enough….. blah blah blah….. DETAILS! 😀
I think you wrote your thoughts quite well all through the comments on this issue. I agree with your points about the conversation Dean had with Cole. It was an explanation to help Cole. Of course as AlyCat22 pointed out, may not have helped enough….. blah blah blah….. DETAILS! 😀
Thanks! Sometimes I feel my mind goes a head of myself and I can’t but the pieces together. Or you could say I am feeling like Cole, blablablaa wait what? *scratches head*:D
– Lilah
Great points all!!!
My point about being expected to write our own dialogue was not merely (or even primarily) in reference to the Cole plot. Sure, we can probably assume that forgiving Cole is in keeping with Sam’s character. And no, we don’t need dialogue to convey every thought or emotion of the brothers. We know their characters so well by now, and their wonderful acting can convey many things that then can be left unsaid. But we do actually get to hear dialogue from Dean that nicely puts into Dean’s own words what he’s thinking and feeling. And he is also permitted to display those thoughts and emotions in conversations with people other than Sam. Here’s one example- in the Charlie episode, when Charlie tells Dean she forgives him, Dean says “well I don’t.” Now anyone who has ever watched even a few episodes of SPN KNOWS that Dean doesn’t forgive himself, but holy crap, they let him express it anyway! We didn’t have to assume anything based on Dean’s character. So we have been treated to a nice emotional arc for Dean this year in which he has often VERBALLY expressed how he feels about what he’s going through with the MOC. But we are not given that same opportunity with Sam. He has substantive conversations with virtually nobody other than Dean and maybe Cas, and the topic of those conversations is limited to one thing- Dean and the MOC. Even if there is a good basis for assuming what Sam is thinking and feeling, I’d like to hear it from him occasionally. I’ve been watching a lot of earlier episodes lately and the fantastic dialogue by both brothers is part of what makes the show so great- it’s a pretty stark contrast between those episodes and this season’s episodes.
Agreed, more POV from Sam was desperately needed in season 9 and would be welcomed in 10.
More POV? How about some? Sam has had not one truly self contained POV conversation this season as far as I can tell. If anyone can think of one, I’d be happy if they could enlighten me…. I can’t think of a single one. That’s even worse than season 9 which hardly had any Sam at all… and none that were flattering or shown sympathetically. He was made the villain last year so that Dean would have a reason to get the MoC.
[quote]I think Sam has shown he has forgiven Cole by his actions/ empathy towards Cole.[/quote]words mentioning that episode are what we want. and that ties in with the writers not respecting Sam as a lead character.where things which happened to Sam are not mentioned by Sam himself.[quote]anyone else is the fact Cole is cocky.[/quote]and? cocky people do not apologize?If Sam forgives so easily then I want Sam to be praised for that in the show by characters who he has forgiven.respect the lead Sam
Check out the still picture above. Sam/Dean, Jared and Jensen have the same look on their face when they look at Cole. Classic!
Cookies are the best! Well, no cakes are. Edited for delete as this was meant to be a reply. 🙂
– Lilah
Cookies? Who’s got cookies?!?
WOW all extremely valid points. I feel so sorry for Dean ( Jensen ) – if he read any of this he would feel soooooooooo bad for Sam ( Jared ) But yeah I can understand everything.
I think the idea of the season being more about Dean & the MOC is excellent Just written so badly that it has come out looking like Dean Winchester & his trusty side kicks ( Comment from above )
This is a great discussion but other than write our own script and make a show of it Theres not much else we can do. Round & Round we go.
Its like bitching about our Politicians ( We do that a lot in Australia actually we are really bad at showing our disrespect ) How can we make then hear us
We have 9 Eps to go ? – Maybe and Hopefully will be back here Eating our words —————- We can Pray to Castiel ( LOL ) and Hope Jen