ITunes sneak peek on Supernatural Season Ten
ITunes has posted a Sneak peek for season 10
It looks exciting. We see Demon!Dean, worried Sam, and Cas and Hannah. We even get a “bitch/jerk” moment. However it is between Crowely and Dean, so…maybe not what some of us were hoping for. Enjoy and give us your reactions.
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S10 preview looks really intriguing. A little worrisome that there doesn’t seem to be a plan for the back half of the season. But at least it looks like a good start.
Ah yes, Mr. Carver, if we are part of the SPN world, we have learned “where there is a will, there is a way”. 🙂 Looks like it will be an awesome season. I can’t wait!
Not to be a Debbie Downer or anything, but what the hell…. is Sam even a part of this show any more? Sam gets to look for Dean, yippee, I am all for Sam being committed to the brotherhood for a change, but that’s not a story line, he’s just a tool for the other story lines as per usual. So, last season he gets a compelling story (possession) that is completely ignored by everyone and not addressed in any way, and this season he gets to look for Dean. Is there going to be any type of story that focuses on Sam as a character? It doesn’t look like it.
And another thing that irked me….Dean is a demon but he’s going to “learn how to be a hero again?!” As a demon? Really? So, Dean gets to learn to be a hero again even though he’s a corrupted soul, a demon and Sam gets to be fully human but also a monster. Well. That’s just great. Not.
[quote]Dean is a demon but he’s going to “learn how to be a hero again?!” As a demon?[/quote]
Dean’s decent into darkness started from season nine (if not earlier) so maybe they are referring to that? His time as a demon might give him new perspective in life, what his purpose is.
I will admit the “Dean learns to be a hero again” really sticks in my craw for many of the reasons you mention. We get told that Sam’s going to be seen as more of a monster than Dean, but he doesn’t get a redemption arc, just a way to make Dean look like he’s better than Sam to start with. Sam was possessed, but he never said word one about how that affected him personally. But hey, Sam was hallucinating 24/7 and we didn’t get to hear him talk about that either. Sam trusted Ruby and she betrayed him in the most horrible way possible, but season five was all about how hard it was for DEAN. Forget the fact that Sam had to be devastated and hurt, only Dean’s feelings get any consideration. So, I guess I’m not surprised that, yet again, how Dean feels is important and how Sam feels isn’t. But it drives me nuts.
just a guess, but Dean learning to be a hero again happens AFTER he’s cured?
I think that comes -after- he is cured. Half of the sneak peek was about Sam. And what is wrong actually for Dean to learn after he is cured to be a hero again? Or should they have just tossed Dean out and said nothing about him that what they say in an interview are not taken too literally?
I think it should matter something that Sam is the one that wants to find Dean and that story is shown. The character is driven to it. But ok, I guess it is not his story even if he wants it, does it and goes great lengths to do it…
I am actually exited that they show how Sam feels and he wants to find his brother. Searching, checking old pictures as his brother has died and actually survive when he comes in contact with him.
And I want Dean to survive and find his path again and sorry to say he is a hero and so is Sam. So is there a reason he shouldn’t come to be one again?
Anyway, I love the episodes they say they are making. Sounds like they will take a little bit risk with the 200th but they said French mistake was one too. So we will see.
The new character looked cool and poor Castiel… I also like if Hannah gets some more meat over her bones (meaning not to be a blank angel and has character). It looks like there will not be that much more angels.
All in all I think this was the best sneak peek yet.
– Lilah
It may well come after Dean is cured of being a demon. I can certainly understand that seeing how Dean comes back from it is a valid and interesting storyline. I am not protesting that Dean is getting a storyline about how he learns to be a hero after his fall. My objection and [b]E’s[/b] is that we have repeatedly seen Sam going through things that changed his personality and took hero status away only for his struggle to be ignored and for the focus to be on how DEAN feels about Sam’s problems, lacks, not being heroic enough. The reason always given is that with Sam the focus of the mytharc, that Dean needs the POV to be part of the story. Now we are being told that Dean is getting the mytharc that fans have demanded and that Dean deserves BUT Sam doesn’t get the POV because it is so, so, so important that we see how DEAN copes with having fallen while Sam’s reactions are 100% not important. We have also been told that after everything shakes out, we, the audience, will have to wonder who was the REAL monster, Dean as a demon or Sam as a human trying to save Dean. And now, well, once we come to the conclusion that Dean murdering people out of hand is better than whatever Sam does? Dean needs to be redeemed, Sam? Oh heck, well let people continue to think Sam is evil, awful and more of a monster than Dean was EVEN WHEN DEAN WAS A DEMON. So what I’m hearing is that Dean not only gets the mytharc (a good idea on it’s face) but also the emotional POV (which he has every season), the angst of beating himself over what he did (never given to Sam when he screwed up) and in all probability several episodes ending with Dean and his One Perfect Tear. While at the same time, Sam gets to be a monster that Dean can angst over the fact that Sammy is a bad, bad, bad person AT HIS VERY CORE and absolutely NO indication that Sam will be given a chance to become a hero again AFTER BEING A WORSE MONSTER THAN DEAMON!DEAN.
I have not seen much to indicate that we will get any look at what Sam feels we may get him looking at photos for 3.5 seconds and yes, it’s more than they have done in YEARS. That doesn’t reassure me that we will get more than a cursory look at Sam’s emotions. To me, as of now, we will see as much of Sam’s POV as we did in season seven where his whole reaction to being insane was to squeeze his hand once or twice an episode and where even those scenes were cut from the final episode because we really needed more focus on Dean, Cas, the Leviathans, Charlie, the potted plant in the corner.
We have been told Cas doesn’t want to be with Sam because he is afraid he will hinder Sam. Crowley has decided that he is Dean’s best friend, so not much interaction with Sam. The new character, is after Dean for whatever reason, Sam is only a temporary block to finding out the real story about Dean. Jody’s episode is about her and Donna, something I want to see very much, but again, Sam isn’t part of that. Charlie will come back, but she gave Dean the credit for stopping the Apocalypse and only thinks of Sam as someone who never remembers the pie deserves to be reminded that everyone he loves has died and isn’t that the funniest thing ever. Plus Charlie is pretty much Dean’s as well. Garth can come back, but again he’s a Dean centric character. The spoilers are that Sam remains isolated while the few people he actually talked to are leaving him alone or deciding Dean is more interesting. This does not fill me with hope for a good look at Sam.
I hope I am wrong. I hope that, at the very least, Sam gets screen time. I would like it if it were screen time with actual dialog or even (God Forbid!) Sam having monologues or having his thoughts in voice overs. But rumor has it that the episode 1-2 and 4 will be “Sam lite”, possibly to compensate for his injured shoulder. By episode 5, it looks like Dean will, at the very least, stop being demonic and go into full emo, woe is me mode, leaving zero time for Sam to express any feelings. If I’m wrong, I will be delighted, but for now, I’m seeing that the show will continue to be what the show has been since season three, a Dean emotional fest, featuring why Sam let him down, caused his behavior and hurt Dean SO much, with Sam being pretty, pretty wallpaper.
Yes, Percy’s, in a nut shell that’s it. It’s great that Dean gets a story, and hopefully it will be more carefully planned out than the sporadic MoC, it certainly looks intriguing, but Sam looking for Dean, being desperate to save Dean is not a story ABOUT Sam; it’s Sam functioning as a plot point in a story about Dean. In the clip not one time did the writers/show runners mention Sam as an entity outside of Dean or indicate that Sam might be struggling with post possession depression or something while he searches for Dean. His only function for the first part of the season seems to be to find Dean and that’s it. Will we get to see any of Sam’s very real and lately very ignored issues? Will his search for Dean be affected by his possession by Gadreel? I bet not. Since Sam isn’t going to have ANYONE to talk to, how can any of his issues be revealed? There’s only so many silent montages that they can do before they get old.
These writers seem incapable of writing for more than one character at a time apparently. In season 8 while Sam was doing the trials, Dean didn’t have much of a story; he got to be a good brother, supportive and caring, but he had no issues at that time of his own other than he fear for Sam. The fans were totally pissed about that as I recall, that Dean was “demoted to cheerleader” (as I remember some fans saying). Well, it’s no good for Sam either; him being this year’s cheerleader is just as lame. In season 9, there seemed to be an attempt to have two stories, Dean and the MoC and Sam and the possession, but that was too tough for this crop of writers it seems, because anything not directly related to Dean and the MoC was summarily ignored and downplayed to such an extent as to be of no consequence at all. I find it telling that while the possession story was about Dean and his decision to have Sam possessed, and Dean’s lies as he continued to let Sam be possessed there was all kinds of insight. Dean’s headspace was shown in minute detail to the point that it started to get a little redundant and ridiculous. But when the possession story became about what Sam must have suffered, what he went through and any lingering problems that he might have encountered because of being possessed, no one could be bothered to explore it in any meaningful way. We learned nothing about Sam, about how it was for him to be a victim of such an act and how he felt, what he saw, what he learned (supposedly he knows and saw everything Gadreel saw, but there’s been no evidence of that at all). There was no insight or detail. The one short conversation about the possession that Sam had, the now infamous “shared housing” convo with Cas, turned out to be more about Cas and his dealings with Gadreel than it was about Sam and his experiences. My prediction is that season 10 will be more of the same.
Didn’t really learn that much from the spoiler. Dean is a party animal with homicidal tendencies, and Crowley is buddying up to him to prepare him for something big. It looks like Cole is some sort of bounty hunter looking for Dean – this, too, is lifted from the original plans for season 2/3 where Gordon Walker was to lead a group of hunters after Sam Winchester for killing Steve Wandell. I guess Castiel and Hannah will be the love story this season? Don’t really find out too much about Sam yet, other then he’s leaving no stone unturned looking for his brother.
That’s exactly what I thought – a Gordon retread. Been there, done that. Yawn.
Well, each little tidbit just makes me more excited for the season to start. Not too much longer now!
So….again something between Sam and Dean gets ripped from them and given to another charector. The amulet used to be a special symbol between Sam and Dean before it was given to Castiel adn Dean as the symbol of their shared Daddy woes. Now bitch/jerk is taken from Sam and Dean anf given to Crolwy and Dean. What a way to belittle and water down Sam and Deans relationship. There is absolutely nothing special that is only between Sam and Dean.
And then everything Percy said…though I fully expected it. Everyone else gets friends/special bonds/interactions. Sam? Nope. Sam has to be isolated within an inch of his life because Sam interacting and having a friend he can confide in is beyond the writers abilities.
It is not beyond their abilites they just do not want to do it. Give Sam a friend and it would mean actually having to deal with Sam and his pov , actually having to write scenes where he openly talks to someone. As I have not cared for the brothers relationship for some time and last season is a reason why the bitch/jerk moment between Dean and Crowley comes as no surprise.
I generally dislike them taking something that had significance to Sam and Dean and changing it into something that one of the brothers shares with someone else.
[b]8.17 Goodbye Stranger[/b]
Castiel is controlled by Naomi. He beats Dean’s face and is about to kill him. Dean holds onto him. The connection gets broken.
[i]Dean: Cas. Cas. I know you’re in there. I know you can hear me. Cas… It’s me. We’re family. We need you. I need you.[/i]
[b]5.22 Swan Song[/b]
Sam is possessed by Lucifer and keeps punching Dean in the face. Dean grabs Sam’s jacket. Sam manages to stop Lucifer because of the love the brothers have for each other.
[i]Dean: Sammy? Are you in there? — — Sam, it’s okay. It’s okay. I’m here. I’m here. I’m not gonna leave you. I’m not gonna leave you.[/i]
In Robbie Thompson’s original scrip Dean said, “I love you,” to Castiel. Even if the writer anticipated that the line will be cut, he put it there so he could influence the direction of the scene. It seems like the intention was to one-up an important past moment that was about the brothers. Dean has never said those words to Sam.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence Dean tends to be the one who is part of recreating something he had shared with his brother previously. Dean finds new family members or buddies. Sam is a lonely character so who would he connect with to such a degree that it could resemble what he had with Dean?
Cas and Hannah?? No thanks.
Cas and Hannah — Ugh. You would think the writers would learn from their previous “love stories” that nobody cares. Besides, angels are asexual and don’t have junk. Cas may be ‘losing’ his grace, but that should mean he is dying, not that he is getting horny.
I, too, dislike the writers passing out uniquely significant things between the brothers to side characters.
While I am anxious to see Season 10; truthfully, the spoilers do not excite me much. I don’t like episodes dedicated to recurrings, I hate Charlie Mary Sue, and the 200th sounds as if it will be really good or really terrible. I have a sinking feeling that neither Dean nor Sam is going to have much of a storyline and that the season will jump all over the place — Cas, Crowley, side characters, funny episodes, all with the Winchesters as pretty backdrops to their own series. I hope I am very wrong about this.
I kind of like the idea of Hannah and Cas. I like the actress and Cas has had some very unfortunate experiences with women so far. I think angels in their true form may be “junkless” but when in vessels there is junk for all. I might be alone in this but I think it would be nice. And who knows maybe sex isn’t the driving force behind their attraction. I enjoy Charlie also. Oh well.
I wouldn’t hate Cas and Hannah, if they can deal with the consent issues regarding their, or at least Hannah’s, vessel. However I do like Hannah. Frankly, I’d like to see Cas in a platonic relationship with another angel. Sex is optional. I’m somewhat neutral on Charlie. I wish she had more of a relationship with Sam as well as Dean, but I suspect I’m as likely to get the moon and a pony as I am to have a character like Sam as much as Dean. But if Charlie does her usual one episode a season, that’s not too much for me.
That consent thing is a thorny issue. I don’t know how to feel about that. Is it rape if two consenting inhabitants of a vessel agree to consensual sex? Does agreeing to an angels ‘possession’ mean you agree to whatever that angel deems to do with your body while i in there? With demons it seems a little more clearcut as it is taking over a vessel against their will in the first place. IDK.
I always felt Charlie cared for both brothers equally but had a bit of sibling type of relationship with Dean, being the bossy protective older brother. I know Sam fans don’t see it that way. She is equally affectionate and happy to see both of them in my eyes but I may be alone on that one too.
I agreed with you about Charlie right up until she thanked Dean and specifically ONLY Dean for stopping the Apocalypse while in the same conversation reminded Sam he was a bad brother for always forgetting the pie AND that it was the funniest thing in the world that virtually every woman he has ever cared for died violently and in front of his eyes. That one conversation killed any idea I had that Charlie gave a damn about Sam. I don’t if know that it was part of a decision that ONLY Sam started the Apocalypse (per Tracy) and ONLY Dean stopped it, but when they put that into Charlie’s mouth, it put her as a someone who sees only DEAN as being valuable while Sam is not only never to be recognized for the good he does, but also Sam deserves to be HURT about his pain and his losses are to be mocked. I don’t think I will ever feel the same about Charlie after that.
I realized Charlie was yet another person who had NO relationship w/Sam when Sam always left the room (i.e., scene) so she and Dean could have a private moment. This virtually occurs w/all the guest stars. Honestly, I never liked Charlie. I didn’t like her first episode and haven’t really cared for any of her re-appearances. She was most tolerable for me in that episode about her mom, but I had issues w/the episode ending on a shot of her and her mother. I couldn’t care less about Charlie or her mother so why is the episode ending on them and their drama? Haha!
I was hoping she’d die in Oz or stay there and never return.
Ouch!:)
ETA: I think she is universally disliked by Sam fans due to her perceived non relationship with Sam, I just don’t agree. I find her entertaining and interesting. I think she loves Sam too. But agree to disagree on this one! I just cringe a little when someone wishes a character I like to die. But that’s just me I get attached to my SPN characters.
Heh! Actually this Sam fan likes Charlie just fine! 😀
😀 Yay! I stand corrected;)
Not only that Lala….but everything Charlie knows about Sam is because she read the Supernatural books…..not because she spent any time with him or talked to him. Nope. In that one episiode she tells Sam she knows he can do the trials because (paraphrased) “I read the books, so i know you can do it.”
Well, Hannah is good. Like many said Cas and Gadreel were awesome as angel partners. Hannah I like but Gadreel… Yeah, yeah, yeah… redemption bah.
Too bad we saw only one episode of that brotherhood and camaraderie. If that is the word. It ended before it could grow and I think Hannah might be more platonic relationship?
Anyway, with Hannah we will see. 🙂
– Lilah
Agreed Ginger. BTW isn’t Cas already married? What ever happened to his “wife” Daphne anyway? Gone the way of Sam’s hallucinations and other plots that were simply dropped due to their inconvenience. I like Hannah as a character and it’s really nice to see another angel whose not a total douchebag who remembers and believes in the angel’s original mission as Cas does. But Cas/Hannah angel sex? Ugh… no. I had more interest in Cas/Meg and even that would have been a tough sell despite the actor’s chemistry.
I always forget about Cas’s wife! That one WAS dropped liked a hot potato, like a few other things.
I always wondered if Daphne was sent by God to rescue Cas and take care of him until Dean could find him much like the guy in the pickup truck in the S9 premiere. I get the feeling that God keeps trying to help Cas in and out of all of his screw ups. After Cas took off she either went on with her previous life not remembering that whole episode or dissolved.
Yeah,
I think so too. Her husband was gone so what more there was to tell? If Jimmy ever would come back then there would be a reason but he hasn’t. And telling about angels and demons and angels stealing your husband to anyone would make you end up in a nuthouse. So, she is taking care of their daughter and living their lives. Jimmy had been away already for a long time. 🙂
– Lilah
I guess fans can create all kinds of head canon to explain these weird moments in the show that got dropped. To me though, she wasn’t “sent by God” to take care of Cas because that’s not what was shown. She was shown to be his wife then he left her and she was never mentioned again because the writers had figured out what a problem she was. It would have been better if they had actually killed her off; yes a tough thing for Cas to deal with but at least the problem of her existence wouldn’t still be plaguing the show.
That’s probably true. I was referring to the conversation that Emanuel/Castiel was having with Dean on the way back to Sam. He told Dean that Daphne told him that God wanted her to find him. So that is why I said I always thought she was sent by God. The guy in the truck was speculation.
Yeah! Like what ever happened to poor old Frank?
The vessels are used to do with whatever the angels wish. I assume a vessel is supposed to be for ever. Gadreel jumped his vessel I think because he wanted to truly help Dean and Sam. Also his vessel didn’t seem to be able to withstand the injuries of the fall. In Sam he could do a good deed, hide out under Dean’s protection and heal himself. So I guess Hannah’s vessel must consent as Jimmy did to possession forever.
I love Charlie and I think her relationship is different with each brother. Dean is like a big brother, protector (much like he is with Sam, Cas, Benny, Kevin and whoever else is in Dean’s family). Sam is more of a loved colleague I think. But I always felt she loved both brothers.
Angelic possession seems to always fall under very dubious “consent”. A devout person will say yes to an angel but can’t possibly know the full extent of it. Castiel possessed Jimmy’s young daughter so Jimmy ended up begging Castiel to possess him again.
No one in-universe has been brave enough to ask what happened to Jimmy. For all intents and purposes, Jimmy’s soul must still exist in Castiel’s vessel since angels don’t have a soul. Maybe Jimmy has “burned out” which might lessen the issue of consent somewhat.
I think someone asked one of the writers or maybe JM about Jimmy and the response was Jimmy is gone. I don’t know what that means but since most angels don’t seem to like or care about humans I doubt that they care how much the vessels know about what they are getting into. Maybe good angels like Abner take care of the humans in their charge but we haven’t seen too many that do. I know that Dean was afraid that Gadreel was going to burn out Sam. Have we had any other angel possessions where the angel cared about the host?
I think if Jimmy is gone in the same episode where Castiel took over the daughter Jimmy was promised heaven? I think because the sacrifices he had made.
So in my book Jimmy is in his paradise in heaven as a soul.
– Lilah
[b]4.20 The Rapture[/b]
[i]Castiel: Of course we keep our promises. Of course you have our gratitude. You served us well. Your work is done. It’s time to go home now. Your real home. You’ll rest forever in the fields of the Lord. Rest now, Jimmy.
Jimmy: No. Claire?
Castiel: She’s with me now. She’s chosen. It’s in her blood, as it was in yours.
Jimmy: Please, Castiel. Me, just take me. Take me, please.
Castiel: I wanna make sure you understand. You won’t die or age. If this last year was painful for you, picture a hundred, a thousand more like it.
Jimmy: It doesn’t matter. You take me. Just take me.
Castiel: As you wish.[/i]
Oh yeah,
it went like that. But of course a lot has happened too after it so who knows. Was just meaning if in essence Jimmy is gone then at least he would be up? Just thought the answer to what Cheryl said.
If it has stayed like on that episode then Cas and Jimmy is “merged” and Jimmy is no more. Who knows. 🙂
– Lilah
Hi Lilah,
I am not talking about Amelia, Jimmy’s wife from The Rapture, I am talking about Daphne, Cas’s wife from The Born-Again Identity. Amelia, Jimmy’s wife and his daughter Claire were taken into Angel custody…we know what happened to them. Daphne? She is established as Cas’s wife for no reason at all, then he goes with Dean to help Sam, he never explains himself to his wife at all, and she is then never mentioned again. I wish they had shown her to be a guardian angel who was basically watching out over Cas, or just simply killed her off. But they did neither, which means as far as canon goes, Cas has a wife out there who’s wondering what the hell happened to him and is quite possibly the target of demons and angels alike who have no idea that she does’t know anything.
I will say that I’m not all that sure we do know what happened to Amelia and Claire. Yes Cas said the angels would take them into their care, but then Cas rebelled. Then he and Raphael got into the Civil War and I honestly don’t see any reason why the angels would be protecting them anymore. They may have kept it up during season five, but Zachariah wasn’t exactly anyone who cared bunches about angel honesty and living up to agreements. Michael might have honored it, but once he went into the Cage, he couldn’t do squat. Certainly once the angels fell, that would pretty much end any protection Amelia and Claire had. Frankly, I suspect Claire was a prime target for vesseling because she was a proven good vessel, Cas thought she would hold up for thousands of years. I don’t expect the show to ever go anywhere even close to Amelia and Claire again, it’s just too messy a situation and nobody really cares, but I feel like they are another hanging thread, like Adam and Cas’ other wife. My head canon is that somewhere Claire is studying everything she can about angels planning to one day find Cas and force him out of her father’s body so she can get her Daddy back. It’s only head canon, and it won’t happen, but in my world that’s what going on with her. And before we start the Jimmy is dead discussion, he may be but CLAIRE wouldn’t know that.
Hey, needed to check E if I had answered to some of your posts. I was just answering to Cheryl and Sansummer.
That is why I was talking about the first wife and not Daphne. And well, I think Cheryl answered the question well enough about her.
+ I think somethings are just needed to be off screened or we would have three hour episodes. But that is just my opinion. 🙂
Like in Game of Thrones not every dot in the book is shown in the series or it would be way longer and bigger than it now is.
– Lilah
Hi Lilah,
Sorry, my reply got displaced for some reason… I was answering your other post about Jimmy’s wife vs. Cas’s wife. Anyway, I think the show at least made an attempt to sum up what was happening to Amelia and Claire, there was a type of closure with them even if, as Percy’s mentions might have become less closed given certain events in season 5 with Cas’s rebellion. The situation with Daphne is so much more muddy and vague. She came across as ‘spiritual’ but there was nothing definitive about her presence in Cas’s life. Was she watching over him? Was she merely a generous and human soul? Is she wondering about him even now? I’d like to have seen, or still see some type of resolution, but since there are many more threads that have been left dangling in the breeze, I’m not going to hold my breath waiting of the writers to revisit the question of Daphne. It’s just interesting that now that they seem to be setting up an “interest” of some kind between Cas and Hannah, it does make me wonder about the other loves in Cas’s life, and if he’ll remember or even care that he has a wife out there somewhere.
Honestly there was no reason for her to be in the episode at all. She served no purpose. Everything that happened to Cas after he was “found” happened off screen. He could have just as easily been living quietly healing people on his own. Dean hears about him, comes to see him, kills the demon as Cas returns from where ever….off on their adventure they go. Other than the hint that maybe God was watching out for his wayward angel there really was no point.
True dat! To me she smacks of a story plan gone awry. I think that they were maybe going to do something with her then things took a different turn and they dropped her like the proverbial hot potato she was. Poor Daphne… maybe she hooked up with Frank, another ???HUH??? ‘character disappears to never been seen again’ moment. :p
Maybe someone would like to do a “whatever happened to” article? (I’m no writer!) They could include any of the following:
Sam’s Hellucinations
Sam’s powers and/or visions
Dean’s depression arc
Samulet
Phone Message
Frank
Daphne
Alpha Vamp
Can anyone think of anything else that could be addressed in “Whatever Happened to…..The Lost Stories of Supernatural”
I’m still holding out hope for Frank. 🙂
Well with Frank they at least IMPLIED he was dead. The brothers saw some blood, no body, and went ‘yep he’s dead’.
Vague resolutions:
Chuck (pouf)
Anti-Christ boy (pouf)
John Winchester (sparkly pouf)
Mary Winchester (firey pouf)
Adam (cage still?)
I do wish someone would do your suggested article. Whatever Happened To….. good idea!!
Oh yeah! Anti Christ boy jesse! Yeah, big old mystery there. This unbelievably powerful being rattling around in the universe? Oh, and Adam. Can’t believe I forgot about him. Yes. I suppose it’s “resolved” after a fashion but geez, the poor guy could really use a save about now.
I think it hasn’t been clearly answered after that? But a lot happened. Leaviathans, Cas dying few times. Changing to human. Can’t really see Jimmy staying for the ride. 😉
– Lilah
I think the only angel who has shown some regard for his vessel was Gadreel.
[b]9.10 Road Trip[/b]
[i]Abner: — — Look at me. I’m happy.
Gadreel: And your vessel — is he happy?
Abner: He was an abusive ass. But I love my family, and they love me. — —
Gadreel (to Dean): If it makes you feel better, I have Sam locked away in a dream. As far as he knows, the two of you are working a case right now — something with ghouls and cheerleaders.[/i]
Gadreel seemed genuinely upset when Dean questioned his status as a good guy. A part of it might have been due to Gadreel feeling guilty about how he was treating Sam. Although it should be noted that Gadreel needed to keep Sam in the dark for his own self-serving reasons.
Castiel tried to reassure Jimmy that his work was done but it lost its meaning considering Castiel was going to possess Claire forever. Although Jimmy said yes with full knowledge of what that would mean, it doesn’t really lessen the dubious nature of the consent. What kind of father would let his child’s life be robbed like that?
Even if Jimmy had truly consented to serving Heaven and humankind, it wouldn’t have automatically meant that Castiel had been given carte blanche to live out all human experiences using Jimmy as his vessel.
[b]5.14 My Bloody Valentine[/b]
[i]Castiel: Right. The cherub made them crave love, and then Famine came, and made them rabid for it.
Dean: Okay, but what about you? I mean, since when do angels secretly hunger for White Castle?
Castiel: It’s my vessel– Jimmy. His, uh, appetite for red meat has been touched by Famine’s effect.
Famine: And yet, you’re all still starving because hunger doesn’t just come from the body, it also comes from the soul.[/i]
Jimmy’s hunger wasn’t about sex. Jimmy was a married man and devoted to his family. I doubt he’d want to be involved if Castiel were to have sex with Hannah who in turn is also possessing someone.
Jimmy might be “dead” but it’s unlikely that his soul is at peace. It seems Gadreel needed to use Sam’s soul to heal himself. Castiel still doesn’t have a soul since he is going to die if his grace burns out.
I will say that although the status of Jimmy Novak is undetermined, the person inside the vessel Hannah is inhabiting is still there. Jimmy may have died during one of Cas’s many, many deaths and resurrections, but we have absolutely no indication that whoever Hannah is inhabiting is dead. Sam didn’t drop dead when Gadreel was in him. Castiel was in Jimmy for almost a year and he didn’t die. Uriel took the body of his vessel in the past in TSRTS and then took it again in season four. As has been pointed out, Cas made it clear that Jimmy would remain alive in his body as long as Cas was using it. So, for me, there is a BIG consent issue for Hannah’s vessel, if there is sexual contact between Cas and Hannah. Yes, she consented to taking on an angel, but angels aren’t generally seen as sexual beings, so she had no reason to think her body might be making love when she wasn’t in control of it.
[quote]Yes, she consented to taking on an angel, but angels aren’t generally seen as sexual beings, so she had no reason to think her body might be making love when she wasn’t in control of it.[/quote]
[b]8.22 Clip Show[/b]
[i]Metatron: — — See our waitress? She’s the first trial — got to cut her heart out.
Castiel: What? No, she’s… She’s just a girl.
Metatron: No, she isn’t. She’s a Nephilim, an abomination.
Castiel: She’s the offspring of an angel and a human? I thought that wasn’t allowed.
Metatron: It’s not. There’s only one on Earth, and you are looking at it.[/i]
An angel having sex with a human is taboo but is it due to the possibility of offspring or a general rule?
Would angels having sex with each other be okay (from an angel’s point of view) even when they are occupying vessels? Castiel doesn’t have to pee etc. when he is an angel but if he decided to have sex, there seems to be a possibility that the other vessel could end up pregnant.
ETA: Come to think of it, Cas and Dean visited a brothel in [i]5.03 Free to Be You and Me[/i]. So it seems that only having offspring with humans is prohibited from angels.
I agree that Gadreel did take care of Sam. I know it is a debate about what harm means to different people but Gadreel never physically harmed Sam. He did in fact heal him physically. Gadreel truly thought he was “doing what he had to do” to restore heaven. He didn’t see himself as a dishonorable angel. It is interesting that the only mention that Castiel makes of Jimmy other than his introduction to the series is in MBV and only about his hunger for food. I did mean that Abner cared for his “family” not so much his vessel.
[quote]He did in fact heal him physically.[/quote]
[u]9.08 Rock and a Hard Place[/u]
[i]Vesta: Your liver. It’s — it’s no good. Dear boy, you’re all duct tape and safety pins inside. How are you alive?
Gadreel: Your brother is not ready. If he ejects me, he will not make it.
Dean: Damn it, Zeke! How much longer we got to keep playing this?
Gadreel: Not much longer. I promise you that.[/i]
[u]9.10 Road Trip[/u]
[i]Castiel: Most of Sam’s internal burns have healed. I should be able to fix the rest.[/i]
I wonder whether Gadreel had continued to heal Sam even after the angel took control of Sam in [u]9.09 Holy Terror[/u]. Does it benefit an angel to heal his vessel or is it pretty much irrelevant? Jimmy did say, [i]“I’ve been shot and stabbed and healed, and my body has been dragged all over the Earth,”[/i] so maybe all angels tend to like to keep their vessels physically unharmed.
Gadreel started out as seeming to think of Sam as a tool he could use which made Dean protest somewhat. In [u]9.10 Road Trip[/u], Abner said to Gadreel, [i]“We are friends. And the fall, it’s our second chance. We can forget our old hates, who we were.”[/i] Gadreel said, [i]“It’s not that easy,”[/i] and soon after asked in a snide way whether Abner’s vessel was happy. Why would Gadreel care to bring up the issue of angels taking vessels especially in the context of that conversation unless he had started to view Sam differently?
Castiel on the other hand has never shown much interest in the human he is possessing.
When the events in [u]5.03 Free to Be You and Me[/u] happened, it’s very possible that Jimmy hadn’t burned out yet. I doubt that a deeply religious family man like Jimmy would have chosen to have sex with Chastity the prostitute. Still, Castiel came close to doing just that so he wouldn’t “die a virgin”.
That probably means no thought was put into the “Jimmy” situation, and JM had no real answer.
Yes I agree Kripke probably thought that The Rapture pretty much wrapped up Jimmy so there really wasn’t anything else to tell. But there were a lot of hanging unexplained pieces.
Was he? I thought Castiel promised him that if the last year was torture for him the next thousand was going to be much worse. That is why I wondered why someone (writer or JM) would say he was gone.
When Sam read the message from Dean, Sam was wearing a sling so how soon did he come across that note? Four to six weeks after Dean disappeared from the Bunker? Demon Dean isn’t supposed to care about Sam even when he hears Sam might be in deep trouble.
My guess is that the note is left in the third episode, after Demon!Dean has been in the bunker. It was shot first. Sam was wearing the sling in the preview. Dean is in the bunker and even if he doesn’t care about Sam, it would be an inconvenience to have to dodge him. The show may have stated that drinking demon blood is a big fat no no, but if Sam decides to go on a DB bender, he might be able to do Demon!Dean harm, or maybe just control him. Obviously we will find out, but that Dean leaving the message sometime in episode three makes the most sense to me.
In “Year of the Deanmon” preview, when Sam looks at an old picture of his brother, Sam is wearing the same shirt he has on when Sam and demon Dean have a cat-and-mouse game at the Bunker (episode three). However, he doesn’t appear to be wearing the same shirt when he reads the note?