Jared Padalecki talks about Sam’s new ‘Supernatural’ S8 relationship(s)
Yesterday Danielle Turchiano visited the Supernatural set and gave us a taste of what Jensen says is in store for Dean. Today we get Jared talking about what’s in store for Sam, his new relationship and how everything affects that other relationship of his (you know the one)!
It’s spoilerific, so that’s why it’s here!
You can read the whole article here.
Oh, dear. not a very inspiring interview, in my opinion, because poor Jared himself didn’t seem in the least bit enthusiastic about what he was saying, and with every right.
x
Apart from everything else, the big mystery for me is why the writers are going down this road with Sam.
Sam deserves much more than these tit-bits they are throwing at him.
X
They have two terrific leads in the J’s, and I cannot believe they are unable come up with exciting plots and story lines that don’t include eternally separating the brothers and putting them at odds with each other.
X
We are dealing with the supernatural after all.
There is plenty of scope for both brothers to have plenty to do.
X
The heart of the show was their brotherly bond, their co-dependence and their willingness to do anything for each other taking it to the ultimate extreme of dying and sacrificing themselves for the other.
Take that away and SPN loses its uniqueness and becomes just another monster-hunting show, in my opinion of course.
Eh . . . I don’t quite know how I feel about that interview. It certainly didn’t excite me. And I guess I’ll never quite understand why Sam didn’t look for Dean. It’s a very OOC move.
I think Sam is in a hard position this year, and that it will be exceedingly difficult to empathize with his plight. The writers haven’t set him up to be seen as sympathetic at all, esp. with Sam not even looking for Dean. Dean returns from fighting for his life on a daily basis, and Sam basically doesn’t want to be bothered.
If Dean had “died,” I could understand why Sam gave up the life. But Dean didn’t die, and Sam knows that. Dean disappeared. It’s not like they’re saying Sam looked for months and then decided to live a normal life. Nope. He doesn’t try to investigate and just starts a normal life. IMO, they’re not making it easy to identify with and relate to Sam.
What can I say? The whole things feels off and wrong. It’s not organic. It feels contrived just as contrived as Dean’s sudden and deep feelings for Lisa – the woman he barely knew.
I don’t know why this path was chosen for Sam. It doesn’t really respect his character, IMO, or the changes he’s experienced.
Pretty much this. Most of what they are doing with Sam could work if they weren’t resting it on a single massively stupid and character-destructive piece of writing in having Sam not look for Dean (and Kevin). There is no earthly reason why they had to do that. They have a year; they could have Sam look for six months, and there’d still be time to develop the Amelia story. They could write in a good reason for Sam to believe that Dean is dead. They could have had Sam guess that Dean was in purgatory, and come to the reluctant conclusion that there was no way to get him out without endangering the world.
Instead, according to consistent reports from more than one source eight episodes in and what we see in the promo, they are having Sam simply not know how to start looking because he has no resources. This directly contradicts facts of the case and Sam’s reactions in recent canon (Time After Time). There are characters who could have been resources for Sam who we know they are bringing back or could bring back: Garth, the alpha vamp, Jody, Kevin (who, in addition to being a possible resource, is a 17 year old kid Sam saw get kidnapped before his eyes by a demon Sam knows is capable of torture; what would you think of any human being who simply walked away from that and made it not his problem?).
If Carver et al. couldn’t figure out a way to tell the story they wanted to tell without a glaring plot hole that amounts to character assassination of a character they certainly seem to be intending to portray as sympathetic, it reflects very, very badly on their competence and commitment to the show.
At this point either these spoilers are deliberate lies and there is a coming plot twist equivalent to Soulless Sam, in which case TPTB have committed the relatively minor sin of a miscalculated publicity campaign, or Carver has started his run as showrunner with a mistake so fundamental that I don’t see any way for him to recover from it, given that it completely undermines the character and competence of one of the two protagonists and cracks the foundations of the central relationship of the show, and all out of a completely arbitrary piece of stupidity. I can’t say how strongly I’m hoping for the former.
I read some posts on the other thread, trying to justify this scenario – how a regular human being would’ve gone screaming into the night about 7 seasons ago and how it’s perfectly normal to want out of this life, and I thought – when have either Sam or Dean been a regular human? They’ve both always been larger-than-life, save-the-world- or -die kind of guys, and that’s the way I like them…
But I got up this morning saying, I’m not a writer, I guess I’ve got to wait and see where this takes us….
I just wish a)they’d chosen a different road for Sam, or b) it’s all misleading, and I thought they’d learned better after S6.
Either way, I’m hoping for SOMETHING to keep this show on track. Give me Sam AND Dean – together – ready to die for each other, and the world.
I really have no problem with Sam (or Dean) wanting out of hunting. I think it’s a little bit silly that they decided to begin s8 with an abrupt reversal where Sam (who for the last couple of seasons has been more positive about hunting than Dean) was suddenly the reluctant one and Dean (whose dark relationship with hunting is one of the things I’ve really enjoyed, a beautifully consistent build from at least early s2) is the one who is gung ho. But I think the stories they have set up have the potential to go on exploring that stuff, though it is an area where I think the show’s philosophy and its format sometimes find themselves at odds with unfortunate results.
It’s the Sam not looking for Dean thing I can’t get over. You’d think that one stumbling block wouldn’t be enough to ruin the whole thing for me, but to me they are taking away a cornerstone here.
I would actually be delighted if they turned out to be going the route of Sam having an explicit breakdown in the face of this last trauma, finding that he can’t be larger than human any more, and has to go back and figure out how to be human again first. I think that may be what they are getting at, but it seems to be getting tripped up by them wanting a contrast of happy, contented, safe Sam and endangered PTSD Dean.
[quote]
I would actually be delighted if they turned out to be going the route of Sam having an explicit breakdown in the face of this last trauma, finding that he can’t be larger than human any more, and has to go back and figure out how to be human again first. I think that may be what they are getting at, but it seems to be getting tripped up by them wanting a contrast of happy, contented, safe Sam and endangered PTSD Dean.[/quote]
Oh gosh, yes! I would love to see this! Somehow I doubt that’s where they’re headed, but I would be deliriously happy to see the effects of everything they’ve [b]both[/b] been through all these years – and no quick fix! Please???
Does it help if I beg? 😉
Yeah. . . It seems like want Sam sane and happy while Dean is aggressive and feral or whatever.
I like the idea of Sam having a breakdown, but that doesn’t appear to be what they’re doing. It looks like Sam thought it was too difficult to research so he didn’t bother. I’ll never understand why they wanted to throw Sam under the bus like that, but as you said, maybe there’s a twist we don’t know about.
Yes, although Jared has said it isn’t totally accurate, all the spoilers make it sound like Sam looked under a few tables, yelled Ollie, Ollie, Oxen Free and when Dean and Kevin didn’t show he shrugged his shoulders, got the Impala off the thing Meg drove into and takes off to see the world, find a dog, get a girlfriend and visit Disney World. That is horribly OOC and even if they change it 9-10 episodes in, it will be way to late in many ways.
[quote]I would actually be delighted if they turned out to be going the route of Sam having an explicit breakdown in the face of this last trauma, finding that he can’t be larger than human any more, and has to go back and figure out how to be human again first. I think that may be what they are getting at, but it seems to be getting tripped up by them wanting a contrast of happy, contented, safe Sam and endangered PTSD Dean.[/quote]
I like this! 🙂 I mean what happens to season six and season seven Sam? Lot’s of things had happened to him. They can’t just wipe them out. Dean clearly had issues while he lived with Lisa. Drinking and nightmares. Sam should at least has a breakdown. He spent longer time in hell. Castiel’s fix cannot erase memories, can it? That’s just a lazy way of telling Sam’s story.
[quote]I thought – when have either Sam or Dean been a regular human? They’ve both always been larger-than-life, save-the-world- or -die kind of guys, and that’s the way I like them…[/quote]
Disagree with this comment. I think we’ve seen quite a few examples where they’ve given up hope or not wanted to hunt. We saw Sam annoyed in season 1 that their father kept sending them on hunts. We saw Dean in season 2 after Sam died, responding to Bobby’s request to help him save the world with something like “Let it end … haven’t I given enough?” We’ve seen season 5 Dean so defeated that Cas needed to beat him up and lock him in the panic room to keep him from saying yes to Michael. We saw season 6 Dean initially tell Sam that he was out of the hunting life. We saw season 7 Dean choose to watch cartoon porn and drink whiskey rather than confront Cas, who was on a killing spree.
Of course we want the heroes of any story to show human emotions. That’s how we relate to the characters. What I don’t like about what we know of Sam’s story is that the hero chucked it all, all that made him a hero, and turned into an average Joe and likes it. And, in doing so, it sounds like Dean coming back is just one big inconvenience that Sam has to deal with before returning to average Joedom with a clear conscious.
I also do not like the idea of Amelia returning in real life a third of the way through the season. That just means the soapy, steamy sex story will go on and on and on.
Maybe there is a plan in all of this that might turn out to be an interesting twist, but I’m afraid that by two-thirds through the season, I could care less what that twist is…especially since I’ve never, ever liked the idea of Sam having a Lisa/Ben story since I first heard about it. I’ve just had my fill of the night-time SPN soap opera of the past two years, and I don’t think it can be done in anyway that would make me say, “Oh, gee, this one was so much better than the first one they tried.”
I like to see the characters develop friendships and other types of relationships with other characters, whether that’s with Ellen, Jo, Bobby, Jody, Lisa, or Cas. It rounds them out more. I guess we’ll just disagree on that part. I don’t want to see Supernatural turn into a soapy romance show like Vampire Diaries or Grey’s Anatomy, but I don’t see any danger of that given what we know so far. Heroes sometimes question why they’re doing what they’re doing. I see this as a phase Sam will get past, just like Dean had to get past his trust issues with Sam, his Hell PTSD, his daddy issues, or questioning why he hunts. As long as it’s not overplayed to the point it where it gets to be annoying (i.e., Lisa and Ben and Dean’s daddy issues), I’m OK with it.
I think we’re on the same page in that we want Sam to have more involvement in the supernatural storyline and not just this one personal storyline. The focus of the show is the supernatural hunts, so that’s where most of the story for both Sam and Dean should be.
I was thinking about that today — the problem with the Sam storyline as laid out for us so far — Sam’s apparently hung up his hero hat.
Given up and thrown in the towel.
I’m sorry, writers – I call BS on him having no clues or no resources or somehow no ability to look for Dean. And even if he can’t find Dean – he knows who took Kevin. Ruby taught him a spell to locate people — the whole thing AS STATED is just BS.
There better be a twist. And personally, I hope Amelia stays in the past.
“If Carver et al. couldn’t figure out a way to tell the story they wanted to tell without a glaring plot hole that amounts to character assassination of a character they certainly seem to be intending to portray as sympathetic, it reflects very, very badly on their competence and commitment to the show.
At this point either these spoilers are deliberate lies and there is a coming plot twist equivalent to Soulless Sam, in which case TPTB have committed the relatively minor sin of a miscalculated publicity campaign, or Carver has started his run as showrunner with a mistake so fundamental that I don’t see any way for him to recover from it, given that it completely undermines the character and competence of one of the two protagonists and cracks the foundations of the central relationship of the show, and all out of a completely arbitrary piece of stupidity. I can’t say how strongly I’m hoping for the former.[/quote]
This!
At this point the spoilers have been so awful for Sam fans that it will be a wonder if many of them even watch at all. I haven’t decided whether I will due to the things I’ve read.
[quote]Pretty much this. Most of what they are doing with Sam could work if they weren’t resting it on a single massively stupid and character-destructive piece of writing in having Sam not look for Dean (and Kevin). There is no earthly reason why they had to do that. They have a year; they could have Sam look for six months, and there’d still be time to develop the Amelia story. They could write in a good reason for Sam to believe that Dean is dead. They could have had Sam guess that Dean was in purgatory, and come to the reluctant conclusion that there was no way to get him out without endangering the world.
Instead, according to consistent reports from more than one source eight episodes in and what we see in the promo, they are having Sam simply not know how to start looking because he has no resources. This directly contradicts facts of the case and Sam’s reactions in recent canon (Time After Time). There are characters who could have been resources for Sam who we know they are bringing back or could bring back: Garth, the alpha vamp, Jody, Kevin (who, in addition to being a possible resource, is a 17 year old kid Sam saw get kidnapped before his eyes by a demon Sam knows is capable of torture; what would you think of any human being who simply walked away from that and made it not his problem?).
If Carver et al. couldn’t figure out a way to tell the story they wanted to tell without a glaring plot hole that amounts to character assassination of a character they certainly seem to be intending to portray as sympathetic, it reflects very, very badly on their competence and commitment to the show.
At this point either these spoilers are deliberate lies and there is a coming plot twist equivalent to Soulless Sam, in which case TPTB have committed the relatively minor sin of a miscalculated publicity campaign, or Carver has started his run as showrunner with a mistake so fundamental that I don’t see any way for him to recover from it, given that it completely undermines the character and competence of one of the two protagonists and cracks the foundations of the central relationship of the show, and all out of a completely arbitrary piece of stupidity. I can’t say how strongly I’m hoping for the former.[/quote]
etheldred, you said better than I do. None of your words I disagree.
The problem with this enrage is because fans already know that Dean is in Purgatory. So, by having Sam not looking for Dean (for any reason whatsoever) paints a really bad picture of his characterization even before the season is aired.
I am not sure I like this season better than last season.
OK. Unfortunately, it’s the latter.
I didn’t mean to suggest they weren’t human, with all that entails – yes, they’ve both had their moments – their pouts, rages, hands-in-the-air “i’m done”, “all hope is lost” times…. Just that they rise above that and therefore seem “larger than life”.
The only times either of them actually quit the life that I recall was a) Sam becoming a bartender -which was because he couldn’t trust himself and thought that was best for the world or b) Dean left in S6 because Sam had asked him to….
This feels different to me, and I hope I’m wrong.
But I think Sam coming back to supernatural world to help Dean with this quest, even though he’s found some happiness elsewhere, is Sam rising above his issues.
The big example of one of them quitting is Sam leaving the life to go to Stanford and then telling Dean throughout season 1 that he was going back to school as soon as they found their father and killed the demon.
Perhaps….
Ah, yes. Stanford. I had forgotten about that one. Seems like so long ago….I’ll give you that point. 🙂
Let me say this about Stanford. Yes, Sam knew John didn’t want him to go. He was probably expecting a big fight about it. So he got his ducks in a row and made certain that John didn’t have to pay a penny toward his education. There is no indication that Sam waltzed in threw his full ride on the table and told John and Dean that he never wanted to see their faces again. He expected a huge blow out. What he got was John going batsh*t and telling him to never darken their door again. Sam was probably expecting, like most 18 year olds that he would come back for Christmas and summers and where most of his classmates would be stuck doing chores around the house and eating dinner with the family, Sam would be hunting during vacation. He said as much to Dean in season one. He didn’t want to leave the family, he just wanted to go to college.
Yes, he wanted to go back after they killed what was then known as “the thing that killed Mary and Jess”. But as far as he knew JOHN planned to stop hunting after he got his revenge too. John admitted that was pretty much the plan. Dean didn’t know anything else and wanted to keep up the family business, but if this had just been a “thing that killed Mom and Jess” then the whole family could have retired. Good Lord, the family business was built (as far as Sam and Dean knew) on John wanting revenge. In season six Soulless!Sam pointed out to Dean that John was always saying things would change and they never did. So Sam making plans to have a life outside of hunting once they got the YED, was in line with what John had been selling the boys for years.
Sam wanting normal didn’t mean being permanently out of the family business for at least 3-4 years. Even then he could have joined in during vacations. Sam wanted to not be a hunter, but he didn’t quit the life exactly. He wanted a foot in both worlds (again like a lot of young people going to college) and instead John shoved him out of the life for good, or so it seemed.
I agree that Sam didn’t intend to cut off his connections with his family, but I think Sam’s intent was to stop hunting. It’s been shown that leaving the hunting life was something he’s wanted desperately since he was a boy (for example, his conversations with his teacher in After School Special and his running away to Flagstaff).
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with not wanting to hunt. The message throughout season 5 seemed to be that all hunters die young and bloody, and in season 6 we saw the lines of good vs. evil blended so much that it became hard to distinguish who the bad guys were. Eve’s message was that hunters are part of the natural order – they kill a few monsters but never really change anything. The Sam I think I know would question why they keep doing this.
Last season when we got a lot of episodes about why Dean wants to hunt, I remember thinking that the better question is why Sam wants to hunt. With Dean, I felt that had been answered already in Exile on Main Street. Dean felt like a fish out of water outside of hunting world, and part of him couldn’t wait to get back into it. With Sam it was different because Sam never embraced that life the same way Dean did, Sam [i]could[/i] blend into the normal world, and Sam paid a lot of attention to those questions of morality (shades of gray rather than black and white).
Although I have concerns, one thing that I’ll give Carver credit for is that he seems to care enough about Sam’s POV to ask why Sam is still hunting. Last year no one cared about Sam’s POV on just about [b]anything[/b] – not on Bobby’s arc, not on what Cas had done to Sam, and certainly not on what was going on within Sam’s own head! The only thing we saw any Sam POV on was his reaction to what was going on with Dean, and even that was limited to a few comments.
But he doesn’t look for Dean!! And he doesn’t look for Kevin! Giving up on saving the world I understand. Giving up on saving individuals who he cared for in the case of Kevin and loved in the case of Dean makes no sense. And when has not having any leads stopped Sam? Six months he searched for The Trickster following leads, looking up lore, being proactive. He accepted memories of Hell for Dean. He has looked up all types of monsters and lore as part of a normal hunt. Now with Dean missing he forgets his library card and his computer password?
Giving up hunting at 18 with no immediate threat to his family is one thing. Giving up at this age (which is who knows how many years at school and years that passed, but then never happened) makes no sense.
[quote]But he doesn’t look for Dean!! And he doesn’t look for Kevin! Giving up on saving the world I understand. Giving up on saving individuals who he cared for in the case of Kevin and loved in the case of Dean makes no sense. And when has not having any leads stopped Sam? Six months he searched for The Trickster following leads, looking up lore, being proactive. He accepted memories of Hell for Dean. He has looked up all types of monsters and lore as part of a normal hunt. Now with Dean missing he forgets his library card and his computer password?
Giving up hunting at 18 with no immediate threat to his family is one thing. Giving up at this age (which is who knows how many years at school and years that passed, but then never happened) makes no sense.[/quote]
Thank you. That was pretty much my point. He’s not just some “regular human” who would give up. Never. Not Sam. Gotta be something else to the story. I hope.
Absolutely this.
Sooooo much more stuff, I think, is going to happen than what we know, and I don’t think it’s fair to judge the direction they’re going into, because I’m sure they have a really good plan for it. It’s a good show, the stories gonna be good.
Oh, I hope you are right. I hope there really is a plan, that we actually find out about before Sam’s character is totally trashed.
[quote]Oh, I hope you are right. I hope there really is a plan, that we actually find out about before Sam’s character is totally trashed.[/quote]
I hope so too. I may just tape the first few episodes, and watch if/when I have a better idea of how Sam is being handled. Haven’t yet decided.
Thank goodness for Jeremy Carver. It sounds like Sam gets to be a fully functioning adult human being without all of the baggage of wrong turns etc, etc.
I like this idea. I was quite hopeful when it was tried with Dean but it never really seemed to work. It sounds like the writing team may have come up with a more compelling way to deal with the whole issue of a hunter of trying to have a normal life and what a taste of that life does to their perspective.
I’m a big fan of where Jeremy Carver took the US version of ‘Being Human’. He extended the UK version with terrific, heartbreaking story lines while at the same time letting the characters evolve into fully rounded compelling human beings. (Excuse the pun.)
For the first time in two seasons I’m really looking forward to a new season of Supernatural.
BTW – Can the writers not come up with another name for a female character? Amelia’s already been used, hasn’t it? Jimmy’s wife?
Just another hint of ‘recycled’ ideas, in my mind. :-*
See my rant over in The Rapture thread. To sum it up, get a book of baby names and have some variety. This, of course assumes that Sam’s Amelia, who has suffered a terrible loss, isn’t Jimmy’s Amelia, whose loss was losing Jimmy to Castiel and Claire to whatever (maybe vesseling another angel?).
Sorry – I wasn’t reading much of that thread, so I guess I missed your post there. As usual, yours is much more articulate than mine.
So yesterday I saw an interview with Jensen in which he talks about how excited he is for episode 8 – called Hunteri Heroici. He says it’s really unique and compared it to Changing Channels and The French Mistake. The episode was originally titled Dean Amuck, so money is on it being a Dean centric. So that makes the two episodes people seem really excited about so far (episode 5 – vampires on boats and Dean on a beach – and episode 8 ) that are at least Dean leaning. No word yet on a Sam leaning episode.
The link to the Jensen interview is here:
http://www.ksitetv.com/supernatural/supernatural-on-set-jensen-ackles-previews-deans-return-from-purgatory/16530
On the other hand, the actress who plays Amelia seems to be briefly filming for most episodes. This will probably translate to just a scene or two, but we should be getting a steady stream of Sam flashbacks throughout the first half. While it’s certainly not equal, it’s a step up from last year when we went through an 11-episode drought (eps 3-13) with no development of Sam’s personal storyline at all.
Well, Sam, Interrupted was Deancentric, so maybe the episode formerly known as Dean Amuck is Samcentric.
It does seem like Amelia’s presence is growing, though. In the first five she was only in a very brief flashback in 8.3 and then in 8.5 in what I assume is a combo of flashback and real time, but since then it sounds like she’s been appearing more often, so maybe they are filling in more of Sam’s story in the second quarter. Or maybe the first five episodes had Amelialess Sam flashbacks covering the time right after Dean’s disappearance, but I’m sort of hoping not, because I’m still hoping that they are saving going back to that time for last in order to reveal something that will make some of this horrible, discouraging Sam stuff make some kind of sense.
It’s good to think we will get a stream of Sam flashbacks, although it makes it look like Sam not looking for Dean will be set in stone.
I really hope Amelia works as a character. They are putting a lot into her for Sam’s story and if the chemistry is wrong or it makes Sam look like he just forgets Dean, then this will be very uncomfortable for me.
Crossing my fingers that Amelia is a real window into Sam’s mind, as opposed to IKWYDLS where the focus was on the wonderfulness of Ruby. The past really does haunt me.
But can she really be a window into Sam’s mind if Sam never spoke to her about hunting or his past life? He can’t really disclose much to her?
Am I the only one extremely worried about these Amelia flashbacks? Sam and Dean are hunting and then Sam flashes back to having dinner w/Amelia and just shooting the breeze, or Sam’s getting gas, and he flashes back to his and Amelia’s first fight or something? I have ZERO interest in that! How are Sam’s FBs going to work on this show about the supernatural? I can’t wrap my mind around it! I guess I don’t have enough imagination. LOL!
Hi lala2
The only thing I am interested in Amelia’s flashback is whether Sam think of Dean as much as Sam think of her when he is with Dean. I mean Dean’s his brother who had sold his soul for Sam and share lots of history together. Versus a girl he only knows last year. I am snorting and rolling my eyes here.
If Sam has flash back about Amelia then I demand he too had flash back about Dean when he was with her. I don’t care how they do it. A flashback within flashback? Sam has a flashback and the flashback is about him having flashback about his life with Dean when he was eating pie with Amelia.
See, this is the problem with limiting Sam’s story to Amelia. I honestly don’t know if I’m going to recognize JC’s Sam or Supernatural. The spoilers I keep reading aren’t giving me hope.
I have lost hope ever since the comic con interview.
I will still watch for Dean but I am never interested in Sam who doesn’t give a damn about his brother.
[quote]Crossing my fingers that Amelia is a real window into Sam’s mind, as opposed to IKWYDLS where the focus was on the wonderfulness of Ruby. [b]The past really does haunt me[/b].[/quote]
I still haven’t recover from that. LOL
There can’t be too many Sam-centric episodes this year b/c Sam has NO story. LOL! Nothing is going on w/Sam, which is why we won’t see much of him. From what I read, Sam is perfectly fine. He’s not hallucinating. His Hell pain is long gone. He lost all his guilt. He had a failed relationship but you can’t make multiple episodes out of that! Or at least, JC is, hopefully, not planning to have multiple scenes about Sam’s relationship w/Amelia. I can’t speak for anyone else, but for me, that would be horrifically boring!
I intentionally stay away from spoiler after the comic con interview burned me badly. Sam seems to just give up on his brother and living happily with a woman and a dog.
I have to submerged myself in fanfic where Sam saves Dean from purgatory or Dean got out of there by himself with Sam’s aid.
Now, this quote :
” …very opposite sides of the coin where one guy is happy and content and living the kind of quote ‘Winchester, Supernatural normal life’, and the other is in Purgatory, fighting for his life,…”
Does anybody see that there’s something wrong with this? The one brother is fighting for his life and the other one living happily? I just don’t know who you are anymore, Sam. Is it wrong that I want to see Sam saves Dean. He did not get to save Dean from hell. Is it too much to ask?
Jared said that even though Sam leaves the relationship behind when he return to hunt with Dean, she never leaves his mind. He hasn’t written her off but I am afraid Sam has written Dean off. Now, Dean is his brother who had literally sold his soul for him. The other one is a girl who he only knows for less than a year. There’s something wrong wit this picture.
I don’t have problem with Sam or Dean settling down with someone but only if they (Sam and Dean) are happy together, supporting each other. Not one fighting for his life in purgatory.
Season 1 Sam wanted out of the hunting life but now after seven seasons later I thought Sam is past that. If Sam wants out then he should ask Dean to leave the hunting world together and settle down somewhere or at least have a home, be like bobby. They should have middle ground if Sam wants to settle and Dean wants to hunt.
How can Sam settle down when he knows that Dean is out there hunting alone? Where he can’t be sure of Dean’s safety and cannot be his back up knowing that Dean cannot trust anyone else other than Sam? Just like when soulless Sam hunted alone and Dean just restless that even Lisa practically threw him out of her house because he drove her nuts. Lisa knew that once Sam walked in Dean’s life again, everything is over between them. Lisa is an outsider. Dean did not even share that much with her but even she could feel the tension. How Dean’s heart was not with her, not anymore.
I can’t accept that Sam is happy settling down while Dean is out there hunting, moreover in purgatory.
You ask good questions but i think Sam can settle down because he knows Dean has turned into Super Hunter. Dean doesn’t NEED anyone to hunt with him. The question i keep asking myself is why would Uber Hunter Dean want a rusty hunter with him?
Makes no sense.
Hi, Amy…
I love Dean too but I love Sam just the same. Because Sam and Dean are at their finest when they are together. They are a team.
From what I gather from Jensen’s head canon is that Dean has a kind of caretaker complex. He defines himself with burden and guilt, someone to take care of. That’s what makes him tick. The reason why Dean dragged Sam back to hunting at the pilot was not because he needed help. He was very capable to look for John by himself. I think, and this is what i think anyone can think of different thing, because now John is gone, Dean was afraid that he had no family left. He knew where Sam was so he went to get Sam, perhaps to give himself a sense of security by knowing the only family he had left is safe and by his side.
Thinking like that makes me think of Dean like a mama bear. He clutches his family close to him and he feels comfortable and safe because he knows his family is safe by his side. He’s not one who think of way ahead in the future. He thinks of now. Now his family is safe, near him and he can protect him. It’s enough for him. Whatever happen next in the future would not matter.
I get Dean. What I don’t get this upcoming season (and perhaps the previous season) is Sam.
Thats my problem with Dean, though. In order to feel secure about himself and his need to have loved ones attached tio his hip he’s preventing Sam from living his genuine life.
That fact that Sam hates hunting so much and craves a different life and yet hunts is a testament to his heroism and love for Dean. BUt Dean simple refuses or can’t see it. Instead he turns it inside out and claims because Sam needs something different then Sam must therefor not love or need him. And that mindset helped destroy his trust in Sam.
I mean seriously is Dean going to think having some happiness with Amelia is a betrayal? As a sign that Sam doesn’t love him? And what of Deans penchant for making monsters his best friends? Does Dean beleive its ok for HIM to have friends and profound bonds but Sam can’t? At least Amelia is human.
Honestly? I’m worried Dean connects so much and so well with the Supernatural I worry Dean will think humanity is inferior to him and side with monsters. He’s already 2:1
What I’ve understood is that Sam is in quite a wretched and pitiful state when he meets Amelia. His relationship with her is what saves him a la Lisa with Dean. I’m quite sure he looks for Dean but has no idea where he is and has no one to turn to-not even Bobby.
Hi, Daisymae…
The question is will they even going to show how wretched and pitiful state Sam had been in this flashback. If they are going to show him living a happy live, I will throw my shoes at the screen.
In the interview, the one that make me incensed is the part where Jared said they are going to show us two different side of the coin. One fighting for his life, one live happily. How can they show a wretched and pitiful Sam when the plan is to have two different side of the coin when we know one side is very bleak (purgatory)?
The writers suck if they think this is who Sam is. But as bad as they are, the blame falls directly on Carver. He is the one who is running this. So much for how much better he will be than Gamble. Not as far as I’m concerned.