WARNING!!! If you haven't seen "Freaks and Geeks," stop reading now. There will be discussion about the episode and possibly the preview for next week, so do not venture forth until you have seen the episode. Also, you must gather your party before venturing forth. (The first person to get that reference without looking it up online gets a virtual cookie from me!)
Clearly, that was a filler episode. I think we all guessed that going into it. And it was fine. It didn't blow my socks off, but I'm not horribly mad at it. There's basically nothing to speculate about because we didn't get any new info regarding anything, so I'm going to posit a crazy new theory based on last week's episode, "Goodbye Stranger," and then do a quick bullet point and then set you all free to comment on the episode yourselves."Behold now the behemoth"
I know this theory goes back to the last episode, but I've been thinking about it and a few things keep rolling around in my head. Why did Naomi have to turn away from Castiel when he went all celestial light? If she's an angel, she shouldn't need to. And if you look at the scenes in the CIAngel area, sometimes she is almost transparent. You can see the walls through her. So what if she isn't an angel? I'm already on board with the idea that Crowley isn't an angel, so what if he and Naomi are the same type of being? What if they are something new that we haven't met yet, neither angel nor demon? It would explain how they know each other. My new theory: they are behemoth. We've already had leviathan, so why not behemoth? Let's say they are this creature. Behemoth are traditionally the giant, overwhelmingly powerful beasts of the earth and land. Leviathan were the same but for the water. With leviathan out of the way, maybe behemoth sense that it's their time to rule the earth. So they've been planning for this and lying in wait, infiltrating heaven and hell. Now they are collecting the tablets to try and seal heaven and hell and rule the earth themselves.
Job 40:15-24 has a passage describing the behemoth, and it contains this interesting line: "His is the first of God's ways; only his Maker can draw His sword." If God is the only thing that can kill them, it would explain why Crowley is so resiliant. Or maybe that spear Dean found in the MoL bunker last week will play a part, too. The Spear of Destiny. Sounds like it's gonna come into play at some point.
- If I had a dollar for every guy who tried to get me to make out in a car so I could be the bait for a vampire…
- Gray shirt on Dean! That's new. Also, that looks good!
- I like that even though Sam gets shot down pretty much every time, he STILL tries to get Dean to talk. I really admire that. And I like that Sam asked if Dean was okay, too. He said physical with the beating and everything, but that's not all he meant.
- Oh, baby hunters got caught on tape. Rookie mistake.
- Yes, sheriff, do what Dean says because he is mean when he is threatening.
- High-tech hunting with the cameras and the med kits and the dead-man's blood darts. That was pretty neat. However, even the best technology doesn't replace instinct and doing your legwork.
- Of course Dean knows about temperamental teenagers. I mean, Sam, right?
- Victor was a typical dad, though, living his fantasy out of being a super hunter by training the kids to do it.
- Blue van. Not conspicuous at all.
- Lots of old-school monster references tonight, wendigo, rugaru, vampires.
- Sentiment is making the kids sloppy. Got to think with your brains and not just your hearts, kids.
- Hey, I'm Sam. I'm just gonna be a giant man walking around in broad daylight with a huge knife. Should blend in perfectly.
- Dean disarming Aiden was damn sexy, though.
- Hallelujah, a reference to the Leviathans and the havoc they wreaked.
- Oh, hey, I'm a vampire. Why don't I just talk about all the people I killed in a room full of hunters? That's gonna end well for me.
- Victor, wow, you had people KILLED to get the kids into hunting? That is so not cool, man.
- NICE SHOT, KRISSY! Dart to the eye. Ouch.
- Okay, pulling the trigger on a empty gun was pretty good. She got it out of her system and yet didn't actually kill Victor, which she would have regretted down the line.
- Let's be real, if Victor had done this while trying to found the greatest hunter generation once, he probably would have tried to do it again.
- Ha ha ha, Aiden is so threatened by Dean.
- Can I just LOL at Dean talking about shutting the gates of Hell as a family walking the dog is like 50 feet away?
- Wow, doesn't saving innocent people feel good? It sure does! Saving innocent people is the best! Unless you're an innocent person who's been possessed by a demon. Then you're shit out of luck.
And that is all I've got. Pretty short this week, but I really don't have anything else to say. Thoughts? What do you all think of my new crazy theory? Behemoth could be fun, right?
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The bad part is that I will not watch S9's Master Hunter Krissy episode.
Thank you, Show, for reminding me Sam wants a normal life. I was mistakenly under the impression that this was a show about two brothers hunting evil to save people. I've got it now. No more reminders needed....pleas e.
And why is Cass coming to get Dean? What final step?
Next week does look very interesting and I hope it is. This roller coaster ride we have been on is driving me crazy. We need more consistency in the writing and less filler episode. There is such a wealth of material for them to use. I say again UGH! Lets focus on the task at hand. Demon tablet, Heaven tablet, missing Castiel, ailing Sammy, worried Dean, Kevin??? Benny??? Gates to hell closing?
Pick a topic any topic and write an episode worthy of the fandom. Not this stuff trying to pass as a story, it goes no where.
Thanks for letting me vent.
And roller coaster is exactly right - a heartbreaking lack of consistency and little competence in managing story quality/excitem ent from episode to episode. It's as if there's no collaboration, that the scripts are written in isolation and references to the plot arc are popped in after the fact.
With so much to fall back on (men of letters, etc) this limp ep is hard to excuse.
Sad to say, but I actually fell asleep while watching (first time ever on SPN!).
Right there with you. Fell asleep watching SPN? Never ever thought that would happen.
I'm not sure about Crowley and Naomi yet, but I think Naomi is an angel. Crowley could be another fallen angel, like Lucifer, too.
I'm looking forward to that episode. This one was not bad, but I pretty much agreed with your bullet points. I did recognize the actor who played the Skinwalker as the store clerk. That was interesting.
Nice speculations by the way! I certainly think that Crowley is a special type a creature we haven't quite met yet and perhaps Naomi is as well. There was mention of "special" angels in As Time Goes By. Could that be what they are?
I thought the same thing when Victor was talking to Sam about having kids.
I have to wonder what was even the purpose of this episode, if not all the talk about kids and family and Sam wanting normal. That leads me to believe that Carver would go there, given how much he has already changed the tone of the show.
I also have to wonder if Carver or any of these writers realize that the basic premise of the show is ... two brothers hunting evil and saving people. With Sam's constant, "I want normal" and his promise to drag Dean's cute little butt there with him, I wonder if the basic premise is being thrown out along with the tone.
Sorry, I have no speculations to offer, since I can't see much logic in plotting, pacing, characterizatio n, or continuity, and I don't know which plot the writers will finally decide to settle on for the few remaining episodes left. Only five to go and one of them is a one-off with another recurring guest star.
And yes, I know I'm wrong. I'm also frustrated.
I know I have said this before even back in season 4 and since but weird I just find how Sam is written weird on this show .
Now I am having nightmares of the show without Sam and it is horrible and awkward.
All this talk about kids and normal, my gut reaction to it is more that they're talking endgame, or foreshadowing what we might see in Sam and Dean's future once we do get to the final episode (will there ever be a day when I don't mentally and physically cringe at typing that???).
So, just like I can't see them introducing kids now, I think it would be even more ridiculous for them to reduce Sam's role in the show or, Chuck, Crowley and stunt-demon #3 forbid, write him out completely.
This isn't CSI where they have so many cast members no one really cares who they kill off (although, that didn't work for Grissom, either), or Two and a Half Men where they somehow managed to keep the show going even after killing off Charlie(though, again that hasn't actually worked either, IMO).
Anyway, there's no way that SPN can keep going if they wrote Sam or Dean out. I can't imagine that fans wouldn't leave in droves. I know I would. Sam and Dean are not negotiable to me.
I just don't see why they would take that risk when the show's still going fine. It's still possible we'll go to 10 seasons. So I can't see why they might risk putting everyone out of a job before time. Like I said below, to what end? What benefit could they possibly reap by doing that, other than pleasing those fans that want Sam out of the show (I know they exist)?
Unless Jared has expressed a wish to leave, or to spend less time working on the show, I don't know why they would do it. And even then, if one of thems wants to leave (which as far as I know they don't), why not just pack up and call it a day?
So yeah, here's me logicking my way out of this one, too. I hope I'm right.
Okay, now I definitely need to get back to work. Maybe.
But one thing I know, I respect Jared Padalecki and his enthusiasm and love of this show. I respect him not to bulls**t us or blow smoke up our collective asses. He seems like a very straight up guy to me. He says he's committed to the show and signed through to season 10. He says he still enjoys making the show. I don't think he'd say the things he does if he was intending on breaking his contract and walking away. These two guys have way too much integrity for that.
The iteration of the normal life thing is interesting though...I think I might be brewing a theory about it (one I'm not sure I like), which I might pontificate on at some point, though I'm crap at theories, that's Ardeospina's turf!
Jared has also said, in the past, that it's not his job to worry about fan reaction, it's his job to bring to life the Sam that is written on the page. He's the actor, not the writer.
In that respect, I'm sure he's still enjoying the show and loyal to it. I agree that he isn't going anywhere before the show ends.
ETA: That's probably all I have to comment on the episode. It didn't anger me, but neither did it engage me in any way.
The upside is, if the writers find it boring or difficult to write dialogue for Sam, or maybe they do write stuff for Sam and the higher ups want it cut- even if all that's true- I seriously doubt that TPTB would provoke the wrath of the notorious SPN fandom by breaking Jared's contract before the show is over.
They have a whole bunch of cutesy things they can do with Dean that work - having him be into the same porn as a gay girl, have him be comic relief with another character, Dean gets on well with kids, he does have a link with Castiel that Sam doesn't have and the angst that can be put into his dealings with Benny is endless.
All of this is just fine. Great. But then they only have a 40 minute episode sooooo... well we have to decide who Sam is. Let's leave it until next time. So Sam is all like 'the facts Ma'am, just the facts'.
In spite of what I said about the guest stars maybe having restraining orders against Jared or something, I don't really think this is being done on purpose by the writers. I just wish they would notice and do something about it.
I know Sam has the trials to complete (which could be interesting if it's done right) but I'm not getting much of a feeling that the trials are being used to give him much in the way of character development
You're right about the cutesy things they do with Dean, and I'd love them to do a few less cutesy things and a few more substantial things with Dean i.e. could we find out more about his PTSD from being in Purgatory, how he really feels after the dodgy things Cas has done to them, for Naomi, this year. I prefer it when they write a more serious and less goofy Dean.
I think that we actually unlearned about Sam because they seem to have taken away a lot of the stuff we (and apparently Jared) thought we knew about him...
EDIT: the last paragraph here was just borrowing trouble, so I am removing it and giving the benefit of the doubt
(And now I really am done complaining and will save my breath to cool my tea.)
They still have him being about normal but he is doing Supernatural trials. I thought when he decided in Torn and Frayed and stayed in hunting and Dean that we were moving away from it otherwise why have him decide , he could of stayed with Amelia or gone to college . And the MOL's gives him a purpose that I thought he needed but I dont feel we are any futher forward than we were at the begining of the season .
I'm glad they've sort of rebooted Dean a bit, in that he's no longer drinking and depressed. I'm also glad that they've made some steps towards making the brothers friends again, rather than just guys who hunt together. But on the whole, I'm not sure the writers are all that good at understanding or writing Sam and Dean this year. Things feel disjointed and not entirely connected.
This Season (although i'ma loving it) has completely changed Sam's character. Like CIAR said 'i learned feck all from Sam's flashbacks' the flashbacks were long and tedious, i tuned out some of them, and Amelia was boring as hell.
We are getting nothing about why he turned from hunting? Why he suddenly wants a normal life? (Its getting forced down our throat often enough) It seems like they have tried to reboot Sam character, failed at it, realized this and have nothing to fall back on, no 'plan B'. So lets just shove Sam to the side, because we have no clue what to do with him.
I do hope the trials offer much more to Sam's character, maybe i little nod to his time spent in hell, or some of the demons they have killed throughout the years, i'd even take evil or soulless Sam back right now!...because at the moment he just seems to be walking around on auto pilot..Rant over! ; ) x
The previews show
SPOILER
Dean begging Benny to help save Sam. For years the complaint has been that Sam gets the mytharc but not the POV. Now Sam still gets no POV, but he is also being shown as a complete incompetent at handling the mytharc. He has been made weak and completely unnecessary to Dean. I honestly don't know why Dean wants him around, what Sam contributes to the relationship. And I really do LOVE Sam. This entire season has seemed TO ME as being a way of destroying Sam as a useful character in the world of Supernatural. There are lots of ways to write Sam out while putatively having him in the story. Sending him out of the room when Dean talks to Charlie and Krissy and Cas and Benny or knocking Sam out while Dean, Cas, Benny, guest star of the week handle the bad guys, keeps Jared's name in the credits, Sam on the show and Sam as the least important character on Supernatural, and that includes, Meg, Crowley and the guest star of the week. Sam is rapidly becoming less important then the person who dies at the beginning of the show to start the new case.
Plus, if Sam doesn’t want to hunt and Dean does, then doesn’t that also mean that Dean doesn’t want to be with Sam?
I'm cheesed off with Carver's attempt to reboot Sam Winchester. I don't understand why Carver is fixated on old character traits that Sam got over years ago. For years, Sam has been committed to hunting with Dean and now, this year, that's not the case any more...this is incredibly frustrating!
I found this episode horrible and boring. I couldn't stand the bratty kids and Victor was so bad he stunk up the episode. I don't mean the actor. He was good as the doctor/shtriga. Just didn't like him here. This was bad for even a filler episode.
I don't understand, either, why Sam has to leave the room so Dean can talk to the guest stars. Isn't Sam one of the main charcters? Oh, yeah, he used to be. Just not to JC and the writers.
As for this episode, I didn't think it was great and didn't think it was awful; it felt purely like a filler episode. And I found it strange that Dean and Chrissy were written as having such a strong bond when it was Sam who'd spent most time with her last season
However, poor Sam, not being thanked for volunteering to let the monsters feed on him to save Krissy's Dad
Maybe, and this is a wild stab in the dark here, Sam isn't that interested in hanging out with Krissy etc. They've shown him not being comfortable or good with kids in the past (most recently in Remember The Titans), perhaps they were trying to show that Dean is the brother with the most childcare experience (gained through raising Sam)?
But here's my wackadoodle not thought out theory of the day. I think there are two different manipulators at play on the show right now. One who wants Sam to hunt and one who is manipulating Sam not to hunt by putting dogs and cranky vets in his path and making him think that Dean is dead so why bother looking. And now that the trials are ratcheting up they are going to make Sam think Amelia is pregnant so he doesn't risk himself on the last trial or something to that effect.
I didn't really like the Amelia story-line and i had my fingers crossed that when Sam failed to show up at the hotel room, that she was gone for good! So were a lot of other fans.
Even Jared Padalecki said he thought the Amelia story-line was weak, so why drag it up again.. and again...and again. x
I am not prepared to put this down to JP suddenly not committed to the role, or forgetting how to play Sam or whatever other nonsensical choices there could be.
Also, consider that the first episode filmed this season (8.03) had JA for director, and Sam was REALLY off in that one - It's the "hunt without me" & "It's a birthday cake" episode, where we all started thinking Sam had tried suicide like the athlete guy. So there's no way that BOTH JA and JP would have intentionally let bad acting slide - They're BOtH way too professional for that.
I have to believe that JP was told to play Sam in that manner. He's been able to play Sam in lots of different ways before, and pulled them all off.
I'm still just waiting for the explanation.
Quote:I hope we get one, but I'm honestly not expecting it at this point. That boat has sailed and they have suddenly stepped up Sam's desire for normal so I think they just reset Sam to season one factory settings and we are supposed to move on and think that normal is more important to Sam than Dean is.
Maybe it’s just my own biases talking here since I have zero interest in seeing a baby on the show, but to me, it just doesn’t make any logical sense that they would introduce a young child or baby as a regular character to the show, unless they’re thinking of it as a possible endgame scenario where they eventually show the Sam and Dean happily ever after with wife and kids (personally I’d probably prefer a more open-ended finale, but it’s not the worst idea, even though I think it’s been terribly overdone on TV).
Anyway, the reason I can’t imagine them going through with this scenario before the show ends, is because I’ve heard many times that children and animals are difficult to work with. In fact, in a local soap recently, there was uproar amongst fans when a popular character got into a car accident and lost her unborn baby (They only went through with the pregnancy story in the first place to accommodate the actress who was pregnant in real life). After many complaints from fans, one of the producers released a statement that said they decided to have the character lose her baby for exactly that reason-because it would have been a logistical effort that they weren’t prepared to take up. And since the character is so popular, no one would have accepted them never showing the baby onscreen again once it was born. It seems a little bit of a callous response, yes, but I guess they had to consider that.
Now if a producer of a soap thinks it’s difficult to have a child onscreen, I would imagine it would be much tougher for a show like Supernatural that, by its very nature, isn’t a good place for kids and babies, unless someone stays behind in the Batcave to look after the kid. It’s not like the brothers could take a baby on hunts with them. Not to mention the fact that I doubt many people would want to watch that version of Show. I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t.
It’s just, to me, I can’t believe Carver would be willing to take a risk as huge as that and take the chance of alienating what I’d imagine would be a large portion of the fandom. To what end would that be a good idea? And what could a baby possibly add to the storyline that could be worth that risk?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not opposed to the idea of Sam and Dean getting their happily ever after, but the keyword here is after. After the show, not before it ends. I’m open to most ideas and I’ve always liked the fact they take risks, but I’m not sure a risk like that would pay off.
So, I don’t know, I just don’t see it happening, unless they’re thinking next season is the last (NOOOOOO!!!). Then again, I don’t see why they would because Carver has already spoken about season 10, and if CW gives us a season 10, it means we get our 200th episode. They wouldn’t let the show end without giving us 200 episodes, would they? Right, I’ll stop rambling now.
If they want to do it though, then I’m willing to let them have at it, and I’d give it a fair chance, but they would seriously have to play it right to make it work, I think.
Right, so now that I’ve tried to be all rational and everything, I think I should actually attempt to get back to work.
no, not at all. as a matter of fact i saw there actually being a point to this eppy.
i smiled when victor asked sam if he had kids. sam's like no, but jared has this beautiful little man at home, and i'm here talking to the tv...yeah he has a kid.
but what i feel the point of this eppy was is this...
we all know that in the beginning sam always desired normal and since he was about to propose to jess, i took it to mean sam wanted a family of his own.
in s5, swap meat, dean asked sam if he thought about having kids and a family...but sadly, after everything, sam told dean it wasn't his life anymore. so sam had lost his desire for normal and a family.
but as we've all seen this season, sam has a renewed desired for a normal life and this desire has motivated him to want to hunt again. he has a new goal and a purpose.....a long term goal.
after last night's eppy i'm convinced that part of the normal sam desires is children. i feel now that it's not only about life without demons, but he actually wants to carry on the winchester name. i think sam sees now that the winchester bloodline doesn't have to end with him and dean. that they could have a life beyond hunting and have children of their own, not just sam....but dean as well. as we've seen in s5, dean has a yearning to have children as well. it's just now i don't think he sees it as a possibility for himself, where sam actually does...for himself and his brother.
i'm not worried at all about a pregnant someone. i think the message here is that sam now sees the possibility to have a family of his own one day, when all is said and done with whoever he finds love with. amelia is a dead and gone issue not to be concerned about...he's thinking about his future not his past.
i believe now, after watching sam with victor last night that sam has that extra incentive for survival and succeeding in these trials which he will definitely be needing if you watched the promo for next week. that is what i saw as the point of this entire eppy.
I've convinced myself that it's Bobby Singer. Took a screencap of the preview when Sam is opening the door and it sure looks like Bobby. What if Crowley never completely lifted the deal that gave him possession of Bobby's soul?
"One of the things that struck me, and I think it’s almost inevitable when you’re doing a genre show, is sometimes a show gets buried under the weight of its own mythology. And particularly with the brothers, if you zero in on someone like Sam, that guy has so much stuff — the wall’s up, the wall’s down. It gets a little confusing, even to me as I was catching up, exactly what is happening. So I think one of the things I thought was maybe we can pull back on the mythology and instead start a new myth story this year. Obviously we’re not disregarding anything from the past, but at least from the get-go, we’re starting everyone off on a new ride that hopefully lasts two, three, whatever many seasons."
www.givememyremote.com/remote/2012/10/01/supernatural-jeremy-carver-on-season-8-having-an-endgame-and-more/
Yes, Carver admitted that some of Sam's backstory re: the mythology was "a little confusing" (isn't it for all of us? He's been on quite the ride since S5). Notice, however, that he didn't say it was "too complicated to deal with."
Nor did he say he didn't care for Sam's backstory. In fact, him saying he wanted to "pull back on the mythology a bit" with Sam and take things in a fresh direction suggest that he cares very much about Sam's character.
Nor did he suggest that the plan was to ignore the backstory. In fact, he made it a point to say, "Obviously we’re not disregarding anything from the past."
My point: It's one thing to disagree with creative direction of the show, but it's another to misquote the people who are putting so much time and effort into it.
As a less-grumpy sidenote, Carver also said this when asked if he had any idea if Bobby would return in S8:
"Do I have an idea? I have a notion. It’s not quite an idea. I love Jim, so any opportunity to get Jim Beaver back, I’d jump at."
But, but, but...I *like* the mythology of Sam and his complicated backstory. I don't want Carver to dial back on previous mythology and take the characters "on a new ride" if it involves a change in Sam's character whereby he spends a lot of the next few seasons looking for a normal life. I'm watching this show *because* it really has very little to do with normal life, I want to be diverted from thinking about normal life. I don't want to watch Sam Winchester arguing with his girlfriend, doing the weekly grocery shopping, and doing tax returns
*pouts*
Well, in 18 episodes, has Carver shown "Sam Winchester arguing with his girlfriend, doing the weekly grocery shopping, and doing tax returns"? No, in fact he's given Sam the major task of closing the Gates of Hell. I think THAT'S the new mythology, the new direction, he was speaking of. I think Amelia was merely a vehicle to get us to this point.
Yeah, my examples were OTT (but I was having a good old rant and trying to be a little bit absurd in my examples of things I wouldn't want to see
Whether or not Amelia was a vehicle, Bamboo24, I really don't like the reset to *wanting normal* as the motivation to hunt. The MoL stuff is good, shutting the gates of hell (while I think it's going to backfire) is a good storyline, Purgatory was great (wish they'd done something more with that), but being slammed with this overwhelming desire for normality is just not what I want to see, and I wish they'd drop it.
And go back and actually *resolve* the issues brought up in the first 10 episodes, not just bury them again. THAT would be allowing the characters to mature, in my mind.
And yes, I know these are all just personal preferences, but there you go.
(Apologies to all on the site. I keep promising myself to quit harping on these things.... *rolleyes*.... I'll try to do better. Honest.)
People are the sum of ALL their experiences so to just reset Sam means to change who he has become.
To me, it just feels lazy. Sam's story is not at all confusing to the people who've watched from the beginning. At least I don't find it that way. And the fact that so many people are complaining about JC's reset of Sam's character says that there are a lot of others who feel the same way.
What he has said is just words. He need to actually show that he's not ignoring Sam's past. If he means what he said then he has gone about showing it the wrong way. In fact, I would say to this point he has failed miserably.
Sadly the answer is no. So we need to not mention spoilers or at leas say Spoiler and then leave several spaces so others can avoid spoilers.
Also, this might be silly of me to ask but is Lucifer's cage technically in hell?
We know (for a fact?) that John Winchester's' soul is indeed in hell since he sold his for Dean's sake. He doesn't really belong in hell. What if the while deal is to save John's soul from hell and send it to heaven where it belongs?
Because remember when Dean and Sam took a trip to heaven to visit ffriends? Ash did mention that he couldn't find niether of their parent's soul up there....
First person I thought of in hell was Adam, but someone made a great point. His soul has to be a mess by now. And I kind of got the impression John went into the light at the end of AHBL 2. Am I the only one? How about their mom? Bobby? I don't know.
Happy speculating everyone. Next week will be a thriller. Excited to see Benny!!! After Vegas con I totally love Ty Olsson. If they kill him off I will sob for sure!
Whoever it is, I cannot wait for next week - that little preview has me intrigued!
The teens weren't as annoying as I expected them to be. Krissy was much better (and much more mature) the second time around.
There was great continuity with mentions of the Leviathans, what happened last episode, and what may happen in the future. A very well-rounded episode.
I was constantly in suspense trying to figure out what was going on - this was truly a mystery episode. Some compelling twists. And the bad guy was SO FREAKING BAD I couldn't believe it.
I thought Sam and Dean were both written well this episode. Loved the dynamic between Dean and Krissy, too. (Anybody see him as a potential father figure i.e. Bobby Singer to her, hm?)
Nothing too special, but I give it a solid B. Looking forward to the next episode for sure!
I particularly liked the end scene, because- as we had discussed before- we can see that Sam's dedication to the job and Dean, is now rooted in his hope for both of them for the future. It's a beautiful thing.
But whoever it is, it seems like the mission went wrong and Sam's "stuck in hell" now? And what does Benny have to do with that? I read a synopsys on twitter that Naomi went to Dean in a dream and asked/ordered him to find Benny for her.
It could be Naomi brain washing Dean into thinking Benny can get Sam out? I'm thinking out loud here.
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Parental guidance seems to be a big theme this episode. This all but puts the fear of Chuck in me if its foreshadowing.
It would be pretty intersting, I think, if it was Adam, cause he's a loose thread that's never really been tied up.
Crowley and Naomi may be something we haven't enocountered yet. From gods of some other pantheon to Nephilim too. It would pretty cool if they weren't angels but something we haven't guessed.
About your theory about Naomi being translucent, I think it was just a glitch of the lights reflecting all the white panels, that's maybe the reason why they put some color lights in the following episode.
For next episode. John is not in hell anymore, he escaped when the gates of hell opened and after helping Dean with JED, he went into the light. Bobby was never in hell, also went into the light.
Adam, well maybe. He is in the cage that is lock down so nobody escapes. But, it could be that somebody helped him, got out but stayed in hell. The guy looks bigger and maybe older? Perhaps is Adam, but since hell has another time zone...
Benny, maybe is the last time we see him. Got the feeling that he will get kill saving Sam. Or maybe just injured, so Sam will start liking him.
Hopefully it is the last time we see Benny.
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Spoiler warnings or a few lines of spoiler space would be most appreciated.
Sneak peek for the next episode is up www.spoilertv.com/2013/03/supernatural-episode-819-taxi-driver_1606.html it pretty well spells out the soul in need of rescue.
Strangely, the first thing I thought of after this episode The Girl Next Door. Okay, they’re not exactly the same but (for me) there were a lot of interesting moral, social and ethical conundrums raised in that episode (TGND) to which there were no easy answers. I mean, should we decide to do so, we could still be discussing who and what was right and who and what was wrong etc in that episode (and even now we wouldn't reach a consensus.)
This episode had all the makings of that type of episode; an episode that could have made us think about and seriously debate the issues raised in it. Why Victor was doing what he was doing (raising kids to be hunters) and was it right. Why the kids were doing what they did (choosing hunting) and was it right. It could have shed a hell of a lot of insight into the lives of Sam and Dean growing up, what shaped them etc. If we’d seen Victor as a guy who was genuinely trying to help and genuinely trying to prepare for a better future instead of being an evil murdering bastard and manipulating the kids to do what he wanted, then I’d have had a completely different take on the episode. They didn’t.
Instead, once again, they went easy-peasy. Victor is a bad guy, the 'human monster'; the end. He was working with the vamps (and can people on this show not say ‘vampire’ anymore! What next, ‘Well Sam, do you think it’s a rug or a lam?' ‘I’m fair certain it’s a wendy, Dean.' Use proper words, people!) to kill innocents; clichéd in the extreme and because of that it unfortunately made the episode forgettable in the extreme. That’s a shame because it could have been gold. The premise was hugely interesting. A school for hunters, a place for people who’ve lost someone to the supernatural to maybe find solace and answers and maybe try to do something about it is (for me) a great idea and it is a valid possible eventuality for Sam and Dean. Hunting can’t die with Sam and Dean. Should the wealth of information, knowledge and skills they’ve amassed over the years die off with they go? All of Bobby’s books, John’s journal, the library in the bunker; should all those just be sealed off, never to be seen again, when Sam and Dean die?
Contrary to what Dean said, sealing the gates of hell will not stop monsters and it will not make hunters redundant because the last time I looked demons didn’t make vampires, or werewolves or any other nasties we’ve seen on the show. So they’d need to seal off the gates to heaven, hell, Purgatory and the road to Waterford (morning, eilf!) to stop all the nasties from springing forth. They’d then need to kill all the nasties that are currently running around so maybe, if they do all that, Krissy’s great-great grandkids might not have to hunt, but it won’t help Krissy. And it won’t help Sam and Dean. So yes, as it stands at present, Sam and Dean are in this for the long haul, as is Krissy. And Sam and Dean can’t kill every supernatural out there so other hunters are needed. So the question is, are Sam and Dean as good as they are because they hunted, and learned from other hunters, from a young age? If so then does it not make sense to train hunters, maybe from a young age (not using Victors methods, obviously) instead of the odd auld fella who is only learning as he is going and could be more liable to get killed as he hadn't been properly trained from a young age? (I'll phrase this better when I wake up properly.)
And contrary to many people on here (and possibly every SPN fan out there), I’m not adverse to the idea of family (aka kids. Oh unclench, people!) being the reason for Sam and Dean settling down. If it happens, I doubt it will even be raised as an issue until the last season (and he’s hoping that Sam doesn’t flip flop around again to eschewing normal for what he’s always weally, weally wanted; hunting). It would, for me, be nice symmetry with Mary, who wanted to get out of hunting and who wanted to raise a family. I think it’d be good to see Sam and Dean (or just Sam or just Dean) succeed where Mon and Dad failed; learn from the mistakes of the parents and all that. (I also think it’d be kinda nice because this is also what John wanted for his sons. He had the college fund etc. He never wanted hunting for them. I think it’d be a great tribute to the ridiculously sexy, talented, badass but alas dead, John Winchester if his boys ended up with 'normal').
The thing is, surely doing what they (Sam and Dean) are doing right now, trying to close the gates of hell (and further down the line, heaven and maybe Purgatory) while also trying to get rid of evil is almost like making it safe to have kids? It’s kinda like the Winchester equivalent of sweeping up the dog hair and sterilising the place before you bring a new baby home...... Supernatural is about family and family is not just confined to brothers. Children, spouses, they’re all family so if the 10 seasons of SPN that we get is the equivalent of Sam and Dean sowing their wild oats (of death, debauchery and demons!) and childproofing the place before settling down then I guess I’m good with that.
I’m hoping (hoping) that the continuous references we get to things like family, normal etc, do pan out. I’d hate for them to be firing in these references just for the sake of firing them in. I was pretty hopeful last week (via the Sam and Meg conversation) that Sam’s year off would be touched on again. With the mention of the Leviathans this week, that hope continues. I just think that if they had no plans for it and wanted to sweep it under the carpet they wouldn’t keep making references to it. (That might be a fools hope, I know, but it’s Easter! If you can’t be hopeful surrounded by buttloads of chocolate eggs then when can you be? Speaking of, does anyone know a good detox? For after Easter......)
In relation to your ‘Behold now the Behemoth’, I really have no clue. Though I do now have a burning desire to hear Dean say ‘Behemoth’!
In relation to the preview for 8.19; spoilers people!!!! Sheesh......
(I kid, I kid. I actually saw the preview for 8.19 before I saw this episode. I kinda just wanted to make you all feel bad there for a second. Happy Easter!) Um, the picture showed looks kinda like Bobby or Benny (though are either of them innocent?) I’d like for it to be Adam, Jessica or John (but they’re all movie stars now so I don’t know if that’s feasible). Not a clue really. There was another picture I saw somewhere that (SPOILER!) Only registered users can view hidden text! so I really, really don’t know.
Oh, back to the episode. It was grand. Rather forgettable. Krissy is never getting with Dean (though they are scarily alike in temperament. I wouldn't want to have either one of them in class!). That necklace, with its thin little chain, wouldn’t last pissing time on a hunter. Why on earth did Sam need to leave the room for Dean and Krissy to talk? Did he think they were going to talk about him or something? It’s good that Sam was actually tied properly this time. Nice that they learned something from Samuel. It's just a shame that the war vet was killed. I'd nearly prefer if it was the other way around because that woman's hair was atrocious. Are Sam and Dean the only two ‘good’ hunters out there now? Victor was evil (like the fruits of the devil!), Martin was (supposedly, though I didn’t see it) stir crazy, Garth comes with a warning and Krissy Inc. are all going through puberty. Bloody hell! I’m wondering if JP is still carrying that broken rib and that’s the reason he’s been relatively inactive these last few episodes. Plus, when he was reaching into his pocket for that necklace I thought he was doing so kinda gingerly.
Thanks for this, Ardeospina. Enjoy Easter.
I agree that I think this is all just foreshadowing of what we might get to see at the end, not necassarily of anything they're thinking of introducing before then.
Eilf, is your hometown Waterford ?
as for the talking to sam about kids...i don't think it's inferring a pregnant someone out there. i've stated it above already....but it seems to me that the talk of children is more about fueling sam's motivation so he can succeed in doing the trials, which he really needs to do.
once upon a time sam dreamed of normal. would've married jess and possibly had a family of his own....but that never happened.
by the time we get to s5, as told by sam to dean in swap meat when dean asked if sam thought about having rugrats of his own, sam said that wasn't his life anymore.
now we get to the s8, and after everything horrible that sam has been through, the worst being losing dean, he accidentally fell into normal and enjoyed some of the aspects of that life. i'm not talking about amelia, because as i've stated in previous posts, i don't believe he loved her . it was out of misery and loss that he was with her...but i do believe he may have loved the mundane and safety that came from being with her. so this renewed desire to one day live normal has given him his spark back to hunt again. maybe not forever, but he has that spark to hunt..he wants to do it, even if it's just so he can achieve his longtime goal of living normal...possib ly.
sam is scared right now. he's not up to full strength and he's not sure if he can come out of these trials unscathed. but after talking with victor about kids, it left me with the impression that sam would like kids of his own. sam is 30 years old or so now. it's very common at this age for men to start thinking about having a family of their own. i don't think sam or dean for that matter are any different. as a matter of fact, we know dean wants kids since s5....it's just that at this time i believe dean thinks it's not possible for him. but sam sees things differently for both of them, as we got to hear in t& e when sam gave dean his speech about wanting to take dean into the light.
so my take on this episode has nothing to do with any surprises like amelia popping up one day with a kid. on the contrary, this eppy speaks volumes to me about sam thinking about his future, not his past mistakes. it's my opinion that after last night's eppy sam not only wants to live a nice safe life without demons, but he wants to carry on the winchester name. i don't think sam believes he and dean have to go out in a blaze of glory, i think sam sees a future where he and dean can have their own families...
like i said above, the talk with victor, just gave sam that extra push, that motivation that he needs to find the strength to succeed in accomplishing the trials and nothing more than that, so that some day, in the hopefully not so distant future, instead of sam and dean going out in a blaze of glory, they can have a different scenario, on in which sam and dean find someone to love and perhaps even some day raise little winchesters to carry on.......
Couldn't agree with you more on sealing the gates of hell; even if Sam and Dean do close the gates of hell, nature abhors a vacuum so some other sort of evil thing will just take the place of demons. And... remember... it's not like the angels are all "hugs and puppies".
We have a call in to the Winchesters at the moment, I'll keep you updated...
(Hi Leah, yes, it's a county as well as a town. It's a bit like Vermont and New Hampshire talking smack ...)
Do you honestly think we don't have enough to keep us going?? My love, we could never win an All Ireland again and we'd still have more than you guys would ever have!
I am here going 'oh yeah? Well, let me tell you ....you know actually that's probably true ....'.
I fail at smack talk.
Jeez, I'm on fire tonight!
(I am going to go edit my above post because it might get me in trouble for name-calling I just discovered)
Tim if you feel like backing up your argument take it to the CBOX I will see you there
I must say I am also getting very confused with this insistence on the "Sam wants a normal life" message that we apparently are supposed to get from each week's plot. Because in my opinion at every turn, it is actually made quite clear that this "normal life" doesn't exist, hunter or not.
If we are to assume that Sam's year with Amelia was one without supernatural interference (and I think the writers are still trying to decide that one) even then that "normal life" was filled with people coming back from the dead, betrayal, heartache and sacrifice. Victor's family was killed by monsters before he ever knew they existed and his newly created "family" was based on lies, revenge and spilled blood. How is all this supposed to keep reminding Sam that "normal life" is the big alternative choice? I am really scratching my head on this one and I can for the life of me not figure out where this is supposed to be taking us.
The other major thing that irritated me in this episode is what a lot of you have already pointed out. Closing the gates of hell will not end the need for hunters, nor will it keep Krissy and her cohorts safe from monsters. To end the episode with that premise is sloppy writing at best.
Quote:Took the words right out of my mouth. This sums up perfectly what I feel was wrong with this episode. First off, it was boring. There was an awful lot of blah, blah, blah going on, and because Victor turned out to be such a mundane, run of the mill, "EVILE for no reason bad guy," in the end I didn't care. And would anybody buy the crap that Victor was selling? His motivation seemed pretty weak to me; a dead family? was that supposed to move me? His deplorable response to his dead family made me not care about him or the dead family at all. They COULD have had Victor be this true caring father figure who felt that his mission in life was to train the next generation of hunters while still giving them a sense of stability by providing a home, structure and school. Then this ideal could have conflicted with Dean's hard line about kids and hunting with Sam falling somewhere in the middle thus providing some relevant conflict between the brothers (good conflict of the moral dilemma type that leads to revealing discussions but doesn't have to last longer than an episode type conflict). But instead, they went down the easy and uncreative road of having Victor be the "evil bad guy" who's all evil and bad for absolutely no real reason with motivation that makes no sense at all and no real way for either brother to connect to the larger story or each other. What a way to underwhelm.
And I am sorry to say that Krissy annoyed the crap out of me, way more than the first time we saw her. Why is she so incredibly mouthy, and unpleasant? I wanted Dean to take her over his knee. She came across less like a traumatized teen and more like a sullen and spoiled brat. And Sam is becoming a master at excusing himself from scenes. "I'll just go wait outside Dean. Have fun having a scene without me!" Double ugh! Now, I don't believe for one minute that TPTB are planning to remove Sam as a character from Supernatural or Jared from the show, or the that the MoL storyline and Sam's trial illness will cause him to be sidelined, but after this episode I can certainly see why some people feel that way. Exactly how many times did Sam take himself out of a scene 2/3? Possibly Jared was still nursing his broken rib from his skiing accident and had to be careful in physical scenes, but I guess that broken rib is also affecting his mouth somehow, because I'd be surprised if Sam had even ten lines of dialog in this episode.
Of all the things that this episode COULD have done: referenced Sam and Dean's childhood, sparked debate about raising kids to be hunters, a seasoned hunter's responsibility towards the next generation of hunters, the importance of family... it did none of them; and it didn't acknowledge in any way current plot lines either. What a disappointment.
A Little Slice of Kevin: Dean & Cas get out of the Impala to talk.
Adventures in Babysitting: Sam exits at the end of the ep leaving Dean and Krissy to bond and fist-bump each other, even though Sam going to college/Krissy wanting to go to college was a logical reason for them to have something to talk about.
As Time Goes By: An opportunity to have Sam talk with Henry was squandered when Sam just gets up from the table without even saying a word after Dean storms out.
I know there are lots more, but these are just the ones that come to mind at the moment.
Not sure if Jared's rib injury is responsible for Sam exiting scenes for no apparent reason. We've certainly seen Sam being thrown around plenty the last few eps, unless they are all done by Mike (his stunt double). I noticed back in Trial And Error, that Jared was standing with his arms crossed over his chest alot, rather than his usual hands-in-pocket s stance and put this down to being more comfortable with his healing rib.
Is this being done intentionally as part of some bigger storyline or do the writers just have trouble writing for him? I realize that Sam's character has changed a lot after his experiences in hell, his soulless period, getting his soul back, then having a mental breakdown but this lack of interaction with other characters is a little more pronounced this season.
Quote:Well, they did reference their childhood, briefly. Sam and Dean had two discussions I believe, and in one of them Dean was like, "hunters aren't kids" and Sam responded by saying, "we were", to which Dean was like, "yeah, and look how that turned out." What else really could they have shown or talked about that we don't already know? Sam and Dean hunted when they were kids - we already know that. It's been already shown and talked about and lamented over quite a bit.
Sparked debate about raising kids to be hunters...I thought that was a large part and theme of the episode - Sam and Dean discussing this?
As for the next generation of hunters - Sam and Dean view this as a negative thing. That discussion at the end (referencing the current plot line) revealed how they feel about it - if they close the gates Hell, there may not need to be a next generation of hunters. And that's how they'd prefer it.
The importance of family...we saw this with Krissy's decision to stay with her makeshift siblings. That conversation she had with Dean was all about family. And in that moment, Dean was playing the role of psuedo-father, which I found particularly touching.
Perhaps we just have different perceptions, but I thought the episode at the very least addressed all these points.
One thing I thought during the episode was that Victor was deluding himself on the fact that he was raising the the creme de la creme of hunters. That honour goes to 'Drill Sergeant' John Winchester (not a great Dad but a great trainer of hunters). Victor's teenage hunters didn't seem that particularly skilled or knowledgeable to me, plus Sam and Dean had been undergoing military-style training from a much younger age, so I think the Winchester brothers were, and still are, the creme de creme of hunters
EvErytime there is interaction with a charector its ALWAYS Dean while Sam stand smute ot the writers send him God knows where to i assume twiddle his fingers.
I woulkd love this broader perspective of how SAM thinks outside of Dean. Sadly the only interaction Sam gets is with Dean....and as much as I love it...its repititius and boring.
As I said earlier, for me the episode was ok.. some good things and some misses too - nothing that spetacular either way...
No, if somebody wants to kill me for what I'm gonna say now - do it, I really don't care, because this is what I think.
I couldn't care less if Adam stays in hell, heaven, purgatory, in a special cabin somewhere in North Pole, wherever... He is not - in my personal opinion - somebody important in the Winchester's life (yeah I know half brother, took over Michael, tried to save his mother, bla bla bla) I don't care about him as a character of the show... He came, he did and he went. (period)
Now Bobby is another completely different story in my book of Supernatural persons that I miss dearly, I still can't forgive a certain showrunner (whose name I refuse to type an/or speak - but you all know who I'm talking about) who decided that killing him was good for the show... Seriously I'm not gonna even dwell about it... it still hurts like hell... and that's that... My point is - I want, and I think I'm not alone - I want Bobby back, not the horrible way the was brought back last season - but to be saved by his "sons", to be sent to heaven with this wife, to have an afterlife better than he had while he was here.. or whatever JC decides for him... Bobby is the innocent I want to be saved..
Not anybody else...
Well that's it.
Have a nice Easter weekend everybod. Hope you all have a great time eating lots of chocolate eggs, I know I"m gonna.
Woo-hoo!!
In full agreement with you on both Adam and Bobby.
Sniff, snuffle and sob.....Oh how I miss my Bobby!!
Bobby...the guy who claimed to love Sam like a son...without a single word, turned his back on Sam and walked out.
In that moment I hated Bobby.
Not Bobby's finest moment, for sure. But I think he figured Dean and Sam needed a moment to themselves, or else he really didn't know how to deal/what to add.
But yes, not a great fatherly moment for Bobby.
The impression I had gotten from that scene - the look on his face - was that Bobby was incredibly sad and overwhelmed by Sam's admission. He's had moments before where he's said, "that's above my pay grade." Some would say it wasn't a great fatherly moment, but what could he possibly say or do? Bobby had never been to Hell. Dean had. Dean was the only one remotely qualified to understand and help Sam. The most Bobby could do was empathize from afar. He had nothing to offer of help - so he left the room. But even then - this man provided room and board and unwavering support for the Winchesters, looking after both of them, for so long - I don't see how that scene could be interpreted as anything else. And I don't see how Bobby being overwhelmed and aware of his own limitations in being there for the brothers should be held against him in light of everything he's done for them.
DEAN
Wait. Are you seeing him right now?
SAM nods.
DEAN
You know that he’s not real. Right?
SAM
He says the same thing about you.
BOBBY
I’m going back to work.
Not telling Dean Sam was back.
Not figuring out Sam hadn't come back as Sam.
Acting like an a**hat to Sam when Sam was first re-souled.
Spell influence or not, 'Dean's his favorite'. Really?
His speech to Dean about family making you miserable.
His suggestion maybe Sam should be released from the panic room to help fight when Sam's mental state and physical health was in question.
I'm sure there's more, but off the top of my head, that's what I can remember.
But, oh,but then, there's his quote to Cas about needing to retrieve the boys and allowing access to his soul so Cas could.
His defense of the brothers to Samuel.
His willingness to drop everything and lend assistance. (i.e. Weekend at Bobby's)
Going with Sam's plan and following his lead in Yellow Fever.
Talking Dean past the moment when it was known they were going to lose Jo.
Huh, again, I'm sure there's more......
Color me jaded, I like a supporting cast and I too, loved Bobby.
Okay - chick flick moment over.
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Oh,Yay! I sometimes get the impression that I'm the only one who likes Garth. I fell in love with him the moment he introduced Mr. Fizzles into the conversation. I can't see any other hunter in that 'verse being able to get away with that, thereby making Garth a wholely unique character in Supernatural.
[rant] Sam being 'sent to Coventry' whenever there is a recurring guest star (Meg was a bad guy and she died, but ok, yes I will allow her as a heart-to-heart for Sam) is at this stage so obvious it is somewhat insulting. The fact that the writers don't seem to notice it says very little for their ability to look at the season as a whole. I am interested to know if it is Sam that they don't know what to do with, Dean who has traditional behavior they can draw on or just that Jared has pulled one too many pranks on the guest stars and they have restraining orders. [/rant]
Also I admit that the spoiler had me fooled. It really didn't occur to me that they would have the big reveal of the episode (is Victor a bad guy?) in the set photos! Way to go guys, nice double bluff
Regarding the spoiler, I also wondered if there was a part of either of the guys that is still in hell. But it doesn't seem likely. I don't see any reason why Bobby should be in hell, though Crowley has shown this season that he isn't bound to follow the rules of his contracts. I don't think we will be getting Bobby back even if it is him being rescued.
Maybe it's Chuck, since a) the PTB have said about getting him back b) Chuck vanished and may or may not be God c) It is pretty much the only way that Chuck can be alive and Kevin be a Prophet. (as they said in Buffy when suddenly there could be another live Slayer: 'You WERE dead!' 'I was only gone for a minute!!')
This is a tough second task. Can't imagine what the third one is.
Oh wait I was supposed to be talking about Freaks and Geeks. It was OK and leaves nothing to really say.
Although I do like the thought of Sam bringing Adam back. And in the preview Dean did say that his "Little brother" is down there - it's a stretch but Dean does have two little brothers.....
I don't think I'm writing anything spoilery based on everything I've seen above, but I am talking about the previews....so beware....
So - assuming that it is Bobby in hell as we have been led to believe and Sam saves Bobby's soul from hell... does that actually mean he comes back to the living or just that his soul is saved and sent on to heaven where it should have been?
Also - as I think I saw Tim mention above…I thought it looked like Sam was in Purgatory as well. I’m assuming somehow Sam's round trip ticket to hell ended up with a layover in Purgatory. Which, I’m guessing, is why Dean was asking for Benny’s help.
This all might have been discussed before so sorry if I’m being repetitive.
Love the concept of the new type of characters for Naomi and Crowley and interesting to see if you are correct.
I can't believe we are down to the last episodes. Are they done filming? I may lose all my DVR'd episodes, so it will be a LONG summer!!!
I liked the episode. It was fast paced. Lots of action & clever also. In a twisted way, what Victor was dong made sense. Just not his way, or with children. If monsters were real, I would want to make sure there were going to be people with that knowledge out there for the next generation. It seems like nothing gets passed on these days
I didn't even have a problem with Bobby reappearing as a vengeful spirit as it showed a story we had heard plenty about over the years but had rarely seen in detail.
I'm not against Jim Beaver doing a cameo as part of some sort of flashback or dream, but anything that resurrects Bobby kind of ruins what I think was a very fitting end and spoils 1 of my favourite episodes from season 7. (Death's Door)
I would not be surprised if it is John Winchester in hell. I read somewhere that despite the end of Season 2 even the writers weren't certain where John was. The whole Bobby speech could be a fake out.
Sam wants away from hunting. That's never changed. Not surprising since he was doomed 9.5 years before he was born and spent most of his life fearing he'll turn bad. That said I'm more concerned about the recurring dog references this season and the fact that the gates of hell are guarded by a 3 headed dog named Cerberus. Remember death isn't the thing to fear from the trials. If Sam goes bad dog for a while with Crowley Misha might be needed next year to team up with Dean.
What do you mean? I would love to have demonic!Evil!Sa m back, its what made his character so interesting in the first place. Are you saying that Crowley and Sam might team up? OMG that would be pretty awesome ;) x
so disappointed with this episode, the writer just stupid or what, i don't know anymore.
Oh, god yes. That is exactly what worries me.
Episode-wise... well it had the Js (and Krissy back), so it averaged out as reasonable....b ut, it was an Adam Glass script. Nuff said, really. Maybe he’s a really good producer?
Random observations:
• Again, who really is the ‘Then’ segment aimed at? All the new viewers each week? Coz the rest of us are pretty much up to speed. Way to spoil the episode, people. Why not save some time and just write ‘This episode has Krissy and vampires in it’?
• Ha! U r so right about the giant man with machete wandering round a park in broad daylight. I thought exactly the same thing! There were many other Sam-related plot issues, including the only way they could have made it more obvious that Victor was the Bad Guy was if he had yelled ‘Avada Kedavra’ every few minutes...but on a positive note, Jared’s hair looked amazing!
• For some reason I thought the sheriff sounded Australian when he first spoke.
• Jensen’s face is ridiculous. Especially in that gorgeously-lit scene where he and Krissy are talking ‘in private’. Stupidly beautiful.
• To continue on that superficial note, how pretty did both the boys look in that initial car conversation where they are both checking the other is OK? Sheesh.
• 1 plot point I did like: Sam’s instant back-up of Dean when Dean, on recognising Krissy, tells the Sheriff he wants the security footage.
• Two lines I did like: Dean to Sam, ‘What are we thinking?’ and Dean to Aidan: ‘No, no. SHE'LL kill you’.
• And yup, Dean disarming Aidan was hot :)
Oh dear. It seems I am firmly in the shallow end of the pool this week. Oh well. *shrugs philosophically *
Dean disarming Aiden was majorly hot and cool. If I got nothing else out of that ep. it was that.