Robin’s Rambles: Supernatural 9.10 – “Road Trip”
* A hunter’s funeral for Kevin. Sad Dean. Tran family photos in phone. Sad song.
*Payback is a bitch as Gadreel goes to a rock concert to find a fellow angel named Thaddeus who used to torture him in prison and has taken as a vessel a rock star. Gadreel stabs him to death.
*Cas goes to Dean, finds him packing. Learns the truth. Dean is angry, must find the evil angel. Kill him. Stupid for right reasons. Sam is strong, can cast out angel. How do they clue him in. They should try to bypass the angel, talk to Sam. They go to Crowley, offer human blood. He wants a Kevin massage, but Cas curtly informs him of Kevin’s death. Crowley warned Kevin to run from the Winchesters. He wants a field trip, chains on, and he will help them eject the angel from Sam’s body. Cas says no, Dean yes; Crowley calls for Sam as a tiebreaker and realizes the poor giant baby’s in trouble again.
*Some woman with a dog gives them the evil eye.
*The three go to the Caddy. Pimp? Out of gas. Betray us, I’ll carve out your heart. Cas and Crowley in back seat.
*Gadriel meets Metatron in a bar, reports it was less easy killing Kevin than Thaddeus. Metatron is annoyed Gadreel didn’t take initiative and kill Dean, but wants the angel to kill more, prove you’re ready, loyal. Gadreel is not happy to be Metatron’s hit man.
*Demon woman fills dog bowl with blood, reports Crowley on the move.
*Crowley takes a meeting alone with Cecily. She tells him what’s been going on with Cas all this time. She assures him some are still loyal to him. He locates the Impala for them.
*At a lovely home, Gadreel meets a man named Abner, his best friend, who has a family, including a cute little girl who runs to Abner, calling “Daddy!” He’s about to stab him, but they talk first. Abner was a crappy angel, imprisoned, but they are a long way from Thaddeus now. He’s upset to learn Gadreel killed Thaddeus. He’s happy in this vessel, formerly an abusive man, but he’s happy now. Happiness is getting the one thing you want and never letting it go, Abner reveals.
*Dean, with Cas, enters Abner’s house, finds him dead, throat slashed. Gadreel washes the blood from his hands. Dean tells the angel it was a mistake to let him live. Gadreel sends Dean flying against the bookcase. Cas knocks Gadreel out with one angelic punch.
*Cecily woman tells Abaddon Crowley and Dean are in PA and that she helped them. Abaddon kills her.
*Gadreel is sitting in a chair, refusing to reveal his name, threatening to kill Sam. Crowley threatens a play date. He says he has Sam locked away in a dream, a hunt with Dean of ghouls and cheerleaders. Crowley bores holes in Sam’s skull with what look like long nails making the angel scream. Dean walks away, unable to watch. Cas understands–it’s not Sam, but is Sam. Dean asks how Cas is. OK, answers Cas, admitting everything he’s been through wasn’t easy. They both realize they were played. Crowley calls for Laverne and Shirley to come back. Twisting one of the nails, the angel reveals his name, and Cas realizes who it is–this SOB ruined the universe! It won’t work, says Gadreel, you will fail, I have all the time in the world. Dean orders Cas to possess Sam and tell him to evict Sam. Crowley has to get involved to make this work, so Cas burns off Sam’s tattoo. Crowley forces Dean to free him if he does this; desperate, Dean agrees. Gadreel promises to destroy Crowley when he’s inside Sam with him. Eat me, invites the demon, eyes glittering. Red smoke bellows into Sam’s mouth.
*Pondering the thought of a demon and angel inside his brother unnerves Dean.
*At first, Sam is doing research on some silly case. Then Crowley appears, tells Sam he’s been possessed by an angel and shoots him, ordering him to REMEMBER. Memories of Gadreel’s atrocities begin rolling through his mind. Did I kill Kevin? asks Sam miserably. No, he did. Cast that holy roller out, orders Crowley. The real Gadreel enters, and he and Crowley begin to fight. I leave, you might die, warns, Gadreel, beginning to beat up Sam, choking him. Sam takes control, putting Gadreel in a chokehold. GET THE HELL OUT! orders Sam, and Gadreel is gone, back with Metatron. Cas and Dean hustle Sam out as Abaddon pulls up outside. Dean warns Crowley he doesn’t want to see him again. I love you too, quips Crowley.
*Abaddon orders her minions to bring her Crowley’s head. They don’t. Daddy’s home, says Crowley, it’s a campaign. Vote Crowley, get entrails and virgins. He snaps his fingers and disappears, leaving her angry and frustrated.
*Cas heals Sam, but says it needs to be done in stages. Sam is angry at Dean for tricking him, for saving his life when he was willing to die. Kevin’s blood is on my hands, says Dean, and I alone will make Gadreel pay–I’m poison–I’m not dragging you down in the muck with me, not anymore. Go, orders Sam. Dean takes off alone in the Impala. Sam stands in the rain, also alone.
1. Damn, damn, damn! I don’t like my Winchester brothers separate! I understand Sam’s anger, I really do. But I don’t want this dragged out too long, either. What do you think will heal this rift?
2. Talk about a crowd! Crowley, Sam, and Gadreel all sharing Sam’s body! I loved how Gadreel was fighting first Crowley, then Sam, but ultimately, good prevailed and Sam regained control. I loved that scene. What about you?
3. Why did Metatron send Gadreel after Abner? He knew they were close friends. Or maybe he was testing his loyalty by seeing if he would kill a friend. Gadreel had no trouble killing Thaddeus, an enemy.
4. The war between Crowley and Abaddon is going to be fantastic. I love Crowley, I adore her, they make excellent adversaries and I want to see them go at it on the battlefield.
5. It was hard watching Crowley boring those nails into Sam’s head; even Dean had difficulty dealing with it. Dean seemed pretty close to the end of his rope this entire episode, and Jensen did a fantastic acting job, didn’t he?
6. Cecily! How dumb can a demon be? She told Crowley she was playing both ends against the middle and he let her live; she confessed the same thing to Abaddon, who stabbed her to death. Dumb bunny. Why even mention such a stupid admission?
7. I liked this episode very much, despite the ending that once again found the brothers separated, with Sam angry at Dean for doing something he KNEW Sam would not have sanctioned. I’m giving it a 9.
I don’t like the brothers separated either. But WOW what a wild ride?! Loved it! This show continues to rock the airwaves after all these years.
I don’t like the brothers separated either. But WOW what a wild ride?! Loved it! This show continues to rock the airwaves after all these years.
I think this might be one of my favorite eps ever. Stellar acting from everyone. Crowley was at his snarky best. You hate him, but you love him at the same time. Cas played the perfect role. Dean is stuck in the hole of despair. Sam is Sam again, but he’s one PO’d Winchester.
I think my only complaint about last nights ep was the opening scene with Dean overlapped by the Seger song. It was a bit too abbreviated, felt like it should have lasted another 30 secs or so…
But man, what a great ep of TV. Just wow.
The hardest scene to watch was Dean walking away as Crowley did his thing with Sam and asking Cas how he was…just to take his thoughts away from the ‘demon sticking pins into his brother’s brain’. The emotion on Jensen’s face during that scene was SO real and SO heartbreaking…man.
We knew things wouldn’t be A-OK at the end. I mean after all, last year, Dean promised Sam that he never put anything above his brother and now Sam knows that he does…Dean puts the needs of himself above Sam, when it comes to the safety of his brother. Sam was ready to die, Dean made a deal to Save him despite Sam’s wishes….Sam knows that now and ouch!
Looking forward to next week, we know Dean is out on the road with Cain, but I’m interested in the Sam-Cas situation. Their interaction is always fascinating to me. And of course now, Cas is the key to getting Sam back on his feet. Hopefully we have a reunion of the boys at the end of next week. I know Carver said they wouldn’t be apart long. And clearly both boys have some serious crap to work out mostly within themselves.
I have to say that Crowley has become one of the most complex and fascinating characters on TV. So glad they never killed him off. The show would miss him greatly.
Road Trip set things up for quite a ride through the second half of the season.
I think this might be one of my favorite eps ever. Stellar acting from everyone. Crowley was at his snarky best. You hate him, but you love him at the same time. Cas played the perfect role. Dean is stuck in the hole of despair. Sam is Sam again, but he’s one PO’d Winchester.
I think my only complaint about last nights ep was the opening scene with Dean overlapped by the Seger song. It was a bit too abbreviated, felt like it should have lasted another 30 secs or so…
But man, what a great ep of TV. Just wow.
The hardest scene to watch was Dean walking away as Crowley did his thing with Sam and asking Cas how he was…just to take his thoughts away from the ‘demon sticking pins into his brother’s brain’. The emotion on Jensen’s face during that scene was SO real and SO heartbreaking…man.
We knew things wouldn’t be A-OK at the end. I mean after all, last year, Dean promised Sam that he never put anything above his brother and now Sam knows that he does…Dean puts the needs of himself above Sam, when it comes to the safety of his brother. Sam was ready to die, Dean made a deal to Save him despite Sam’s wishes….Sam knows that now and ouch!
Looking forward to next week, we know Dean is out on the road with Cain, but I’m interested in the Sam-Cas situation. Their interaction is always fascinating to me. And of course now, Cas is the key to getting Sam back on his feet. Hopefully we have a reunion of the boys at the end of next week. I know Carver said they wouldn’t be apart long. And clearly both boys have some serious crap to work out mostly within themselves.
I have to say that Crowley has become one of the most complex and fascinating characters on TV. So glad they never killed him off. The show would miss him greatly.
Road Trip set things up for quite a ride through the second half of the season.
Wow! One of the best and a totally great ride. This season is rocking my world, I was thrilled all the way thru this episode.
Not likely they will be apart long, and I look forward to the learning they each do while apart. Looking forward to what happens next week to get Dean to see things differently. Might be an interesting POV from Crowley in there. And Sam with Cas should be interesting too.
Then there is Metatron, Gadreel & Abbaddon. I am excited about what’s to come (and scared too).
I am just so blown away at this time, I need to rewatch this one!
Wow! One of the best and a totally great ride. This season is rocking my world, I was thrilled all the way thru this episode.
Not likely they will be apart long, and I look forward to the learning they each do while apart. Looking forward to what happens next week to get Dean to see things differently. Might be an interesting POV from Crowley in there. And Sam with Cas should be interesting too.
Then there is Metatron, Gadreel & Abbaddon. I am excited about what’s to come (and scared too).
I am just so blown away at this time, I need to rewatch this one!
Hey! I just found out that both Jared and Jensen are scheduled to be “presenters” at The Critics’ Choice Awards. I don’t know if they will be on a pre-recorded vid or actually there in person.
The award show is scheduled to be aired on The CW Thursday, Jan. 16th at 8:00 p.m.
For more details: http://www.sweetondean.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/jensen-and-jared-presenting-at-critics.html
Hey! I just found out that both Jared and Jensen are scheduled to be “presenters” at The Critics’ Choice Awards. I don’t know if they will be on a pre-recorded vid or actually there in person.
The award show is scheduled to be aired on The CW Thursday, Jan. 16th at 8:00 p.m.
For more details: http://www.sweetondean.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/jensen-and-jared-presenting-at-critics.html
I couldn’t agree with you more! This episode totally rocked the airwaves. I’m reading some flak from those who complain it’s same old, same old, but it really isn’t. This time, Dean did the leaving, not Sam. Love, Robin
[quote name=”cross”]I don’t like the brothers separated either. But WOW what a wild ride?! Loved it! This show continues to rock the airwaves after all these years.[/quote]
I couldn’t agree with you more! This episode totally rocked the airwaves. I’m reading some flak from those who complain it’s same old, same old, but it really isn’t. This time, Dean did the leaving, not Sam. Love, Robin
[quote]I don’t like the brothers separated either. But WOW what a wild ride?! Loved it! This show continues to rock the airwaves after all these years.[/quote]
I adore Crowley! He did everything he promised he would, and assured Sam that Gadreel had killed Kevin, not Sam. I wanted to hug Crowley for that!
You’re right–Dean’s grief/anger scene was too short, but that was a really full ep, so they had to get going onto other things. It was long enough to focus on how angry and grief-stricken Dean was, that’s for sure.
I feel both Jensen and Jared were in top acting form, with Misha and Mark right behind them. I can smell the humanity on Crowley, I swear!
You know, you’re right–Dean puts his own needs above Sam’s. No one else’s but DEAN’S. Hmmmmm.
I wonder what Cas and Sam will be doing while Dean is off with Crowley? I’m eager to see next week’s ep.
[quote name=”hlnkid”]I think this might be one of my favorite eps ever. Stellar acting from everyone. Crowley was at his snarky best. You hate him, but you love him at the same time. Cas played the perfect role. Dean is stuck in the hole of despair. Sam is Sam again, but he’s one PO’d Winchester.
I think my only complaint about last nights ep was the opening scene with Dean overlapped by the Seger song. It was a bit too abbreviated, felt like it should have lasted another 30 secs or so…
But man, what a great ep of TV. Just wow.
The hardest scene to watch was Dean walking away as Crowley did his thing with Sam and asking Cas how he was…just to take his thoughts away from the ‘demon sticking pins into his brother’s brain’. The emotion on Jensen’s face during that scene was SO real and SO heartbreaking…man.
We knew things wouldn’t be A-OK at the end. I mean after all, last year, Dean promised Sam that he never put anything above his brother and now Sam knows that he does…Dean puts the needs of himself above Sam, when it comes to the safety of his brother. Sam was ready to die, Dean made a deal to Save him despite Sam’s wishes….Sam knows that now and ouch!
Looking forward to next week, we know Dean is out on the road with Cain, but I’m interested in the Sam-Cas situation. Their interaction is always fascinating to me. And of course now, Cas is the key to getting Sam back on his feet. Hopefully we have a reunion of the boys at the end of next week. I know Carver said they wouldn’t be apart long. And clearly both boys have some serious crap to work out mostly within themselves.
I have to say that Crowley has become one of the most complex and fascinating characters on TV. So glad they never killed him off. The show would miss him greatly.
Road Trip set things up for quite a ride through the second half of the season.[/quote]
I adore Crowley! He did everything he promised he would, and assured Sam that Gadreel had killed Kevin, not Sam. I wanted to hug Crowley for that!
You’re right–Dean’s grief/anger scene was too short, but that was a really full ep, so they had to get going onto other things. It was long enough to focus on how angry and grief-stricken Dean was, that’s for sure.
I feel both Jensen and Jared were in top acting form, with Misha and Mark right behind them. I can smell the humanity on Crowley, I swear!
You know, you’re right–Dean puts his own needs above Sam’s. No one else’s but DEAN’S. Hmmmmm.
I wonder what Cas and Sam will be doing while Dean is off with Crowley? I’m eager to see next week’s ep.
[quote]I think this might be one of my favorite eps ever. Stellar acting from everyone. Crowley was at his snarky best. You hate him, but you love him at the same time. Cas played the perfect role. Dean is stuck in the hole of despair. Sam is Sam again, but he’s one PO’d Winchester.
I think my only complaint about last nights ep was the opening scene with Dean overlapped by the Seger song. It was a bit too abbreviated, felt like it should have lasted another 30 secs or so…
But man, what a great ep of TV. Just wow.
The hardest scene to watch was Dean walking away as Crowley did his thing with Sam and asking Cas how he was…just to take his thoughts away from the ‘demon sticking pins into his brother’s brain’. The emotion on Jensen’s face during that scene was SO real and SO heartbreaking…man.
We knew things wouldn’t be A-OK at the end. I mean after all, last year, Dean promised Sam that he never put anything above his brother and now Sam knows that he does…Dean puts the needs of himself above Sam, when it comes to the safety of his brother. Sam was ready to die, Dean made a deal to Save him despite Sam’s wishes….Sam knows that now and ouch!
Looking forward to next week, we know Dean is out on the road with Cain, but I’m interested in the Sam-Cas situation. Their interaction is always fascinating to me. And of course now, Cas is the key to getting Sam back on his feet. Hopefully we have a reunion of the boys at the end of next week. I know Carver said they wouldn’t be apart long. And clearly both boys have some serious crap to work out mostly within themselves.
I have to say that Crowley has become one of the most complex and fascinating characters on TV. So glad they never killed him off. The show would miss him greatly.
Road Trip set things up for quite a ride through the second half of the season.[/quote]
I’m going to watch, but only because Jensen and Jared are going to be presenters! I hope it’s not a boring awards show.
Love,
Robin
[quote name=”suzee51″]Hey! I just found out that both Jared and Jensen are scheduled to be “presenters” at The Critics’ Choice Awards. I don’t know if they will be on a pre-recorded vid or actually there in person.
The award show is scheduled to be aired on The CW Thursday, Jan. 16th at 8:00 p.m.
For more details: http://www.sweetondean.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/jensen-and-jared-presenting-at-critics.html%5B/quote%5D
I’m going to watch, but only because Jensen and Jared are going to be presenters! I hope it’s not a boring awards show.
Love,
Robin
[quote]Hey! I just found out that both Jared and Jensen are scheduled to be “presenters” at The Critics’ Choice Awards. I don’t know if they will be on a pre-recorded vid or actually there in person.
The award show is scheduled to be aired on The CW Thursday, Jan. 16th at 8:00 p.m.
For more details: http://www.sweetondean.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/jensen-and-jared-presenting-at-critics.html%5B/quote%5D
I was thrilled all the way through this ep, too! The entire season has been pretty good.
I’m hoping Dean and Sam both get some sort of revelation that sends them running back to each other–or one of them has to save the other’s ass, as usual.
quote name=”ThisOldBag”]Wow! One of the best and a totally great ride. This season is rocking my world, I was thrilled all the way thru this episode.
Metatron, Gadreel and Abaddon are all evil characters who will cause a lot of trouble in different ways. And I can’t wait to see what they do and how they interact with our boys and each other!
I’ve already watched four times! Thanks to those who commented on my entry.
Love,
Robin
Not likely they will be apart long, and I look forward to the learning they each do while apart. Looking forward to what happens next week to get Dean to see things differently. Might be an interesting POV from Crowley in there. And Sam with Cas should be interesting too.
Then there is Metatron, Gadreel & Abbaddon. I am excited about what’s to come (and scared too).
I am just so blown away at this time, I need to rewatch this one![/quote]
I was thrilled all the way through this ep, too! The entire season has been pretty good.
I’m hoping Dean and Sam both get some sort of revelation that sends them running back to each other–or one of them has to save the other’s ass, as usual.
quote name=”ThisOldBag”]Wow! One of the best and a totally great ride. This season is rocking my world, I was thrilled all the way thru this episode.
Metatron, Gadreel and Abaddon are all evil characters who will cause a lot of trouble in different ways. And I can’t wait to see what they do and how they interact with our boys and each other!
I’ve already watched four times! Thanks to those who commented on my entry.
Love,
Robin
Not likely they will be apart long, and I look forward to the learning they each do while apart. Looking forward to what happens next week to get Dean to see things differently. Might be an interesting POV from Crowley in there. And Sam with Cas should be interesting too.
Then there is Metatron, Gadreel & Abbaddon. I am excited about what’s to come (and scared too).
I am just so blown away at this time, I need to rewatch this one![/quote]
[quote name=”hlnkid”]
We knew things wouldn’t be A-OK at the end. I mean after all, last year, Dean promised Sam that he never put anything above his brother and now Sam knows that he does…Dean puts the needs of himself above Sam, when it comes to the safety of his brother.[/quote]
hlnkid,
I liken Dean’s action not so much to selfishness but to a parent protecting their child. If you and your child disagree on what’s best for them, the decision goes to the parent even though the parent’s fully aware it’s contrary to the child’s wishes. Dean can’t seem to shake the parental role. John was still trying to decide for the boys in season one even though the boys were old enough & experienced enough to make their own decisions. I see Dean as carrying on in that tradition. Can’t you see their dad doing exactly what Dean did to save Sam?
[quote]
We knew things wouldn’t be A-OK at the end. I mean after all, last year, Dean promised Sam that he never put anything above his brother and now Sam knows that he does…Dean puts the needs of himself above Sam, when it comes to the safety of his brother.[/quote]
hlnkid,
I liken Dean’s action not so much to selfishness but to a parent protecting their child. If you and your child disagree on what’s best for them, the decision goes to the parent even though the parent’s fully aware it’s contrary to the child’s wishes. Dean can’t seem to shake the parental role. John was still trying to decide for the boys in season one even though the boys were old enough & experienced enough to make their own decisions. I see Dean as carrying on in that tradition. Can’t you see their dad doing exactly what Dean did to save Sam?
#9 mary9930 you’re right. John was like that. Dean was 26 or 27 and John was still making the decisions and calling the shots. Apparently the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree!
#9 mary9930 you’re right. John was like that. Dean was 26 or 27 and John was still making the decisions and calling the shots. Apparently the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree!
[quote name=”mary9930″][quote name=”hlnkid”]
We knew things wouldn’t be A-OK at the end. I mean after all, last year, Dean promised Sam that he never put anything above his brother and now Sam knows that he does…Dean puts the needs of himself above Sam, when it comes to the safety of his brother.[/quote]
hlnkid,
I liken Dean’s action not so much to selfishness but to a parent protecting their child. If you and your child disagree on what’s best for them, the decision goes to the parent even though the parent’s fully aware it’s contrary to the child’s wishes. Dean can’t seem to shake the parental role. John was still trying to decide for the boys in season one even though the boys were old enough & experienced enough to make their own decisions. I see Dean as carrying on in that tradition. Can’t you see their dad doing exactly what Dean did to save Sam?[/quote]
Yes, but at this point Dean’s supposedly an adult. Isn’t it time for him to listen to what Sam wants? Sam has a right to make his own decisions about his own life.
Dean needs to grow up. What he did was wrong. Just because John did the same thing doesn’t make it right.
[quote][quote]
We knew things wouldn’t be A-OK at the end. I mean after all, last year, Dean promised Sam that he never put anything above his brother and now Sam knows that he does…Dean puts the needs of himself above Sam, when it comes to the safety of his brother.[/quote]
hlnkid,
I liken Dean’s action not so much to selfishness but to a parent protecting their child. If you and your child disagree on what’s best for them, the decision goes to the parent even though the parent’s fully aware it’s contrary to the child’s wishes. Dean can’t seem to shake the parental role. John was still trying to decide for the boys in season one even though the boys were old enough & experienced enough to make their own decisions. I see Dean as carrying on in that tradition. Can’t you see their dad doing exactly what Dean did to save Sam?[/quote]
Yes, but at this point Dean’s supposedly an adult. Isn’t it time for him to listen to what Sam wants? Sam has a right to make his own decisions about his own life.
Dean needs to grow up. What he did was wrong. Just because John did the same thing doesn’t make it right.
[quote name=”Jo1027″]
Yes, but at this point Dean’s supposedly an adult. Isn’t it time for him to listen to what Sam wants? Sam has a right to make his own decisions about his own life.
Dean needs to grow up. What he did was wrong. Just because John did the same thing doesn’t make it right.[/quote]
Jo1027,
Dean has always been too grown up. He needs to be more of a brother than a father to Sam. I certainly agree that what Dean did was wrong just as it was wrong for John but as a parent I also understand why he did it.
[quote]
Yes, but at this point Dean’s supposedly an adult. Isn’t it time for him to listen to what Sam wants? Sam has a right to make his own decisions about his own life.
Dean needs to grow up. What he did was wrong. Just because John did the same thing doesn’t make it right.[/quote]
Jo1027,
Dean has always been too grown up. He needs to be more of a brother than a father to Sam. I certainly agree that what Dean did was wrong just as it was wrong for John but as a parent I also understand why he did it.
Yes, John was very much a controlling parent, and given the horrific loss of Mary and his intense desire to protect his sons from supernatural creatures, John taught them how to fight them. By doing so, he denied them any semblance of normal lives. Sam and John were constantly arguing with each other over many issues. I believe that John would have allowed Sam to die if that’s what he had decided he wanted to do. Dean simply cannot bear to live without Sam, period. John would have done whatever it took to protect his sons–he died so Dean would live–but would not, I feel, stand in the way of one of his sons dying if that was the choice Sam and/or Dean made.
Love,
Robin
hlnkid,
I liken Dean’s action not so much to selfishness but to a parent protecting their child. If you and your child disagree on what’s best for them, the decision goes to the parent even though the parent’s fully aware it’s contrary to the child’s wishes. Dean can’t seem to shake the parental role. John was still trying to decide for the boys in season one even though the boys were old enough & experienced enough to make their own decisions. I see Dean as carrying on in that tradition. Can’t you see their dad doing exactly what Dean did to save Sam?
Yes, John was very much a controlling parent, and given the horrific loss of Mary and his intense desire to protect his sons from supernatural creatures, John taught them how to fight them. By doing so, he denied them any semblance of normal lives. Sam and John were constantly arguing with each other over many issues. I believe that John would have allowed Sam to die if that’s what he had decided he wanted to do. Dean simply cannot bear to live without Sam, period. John would have done whatever it took to protect his sons–he died so Dean would live–but would not, I feel, stand in the way of one of his sons dying if that was the choice Sam and/or Dean made.
Love,
Robin
hlnkid,
I liken Dean’s action not so much to selfishness but to a parent protecting their child. If you and your child disagree on what’s best for them, the decision goes to the parent even though the parent’s fully aware it’s contrary to the child’s wishes. Dean can’t seem to shake the parental role. John was still trying to decide for the boys in season one even though the boys were old enough & experienced enough to make their own decisions. I see Dean as carrying on in that tradition. Can’t you see their dad doing exactly what Dean did to save Sam?
Yes, Dean should listen to what Sam wants, but perhaps Dean believes that, deep down, Sam wants to live, and since he wants him to live so badly, Dean convinces him to stick around. As a mother, I can tell you that I would do absolutely ANYTHING to ensure my adult son’s survival, whether he wanted to live or not. Of course, if he were in horrible agony with no hope for survival, I would see it differently, but I hope I’m never, ever in that situation. Love, Robin 😆
Yes, but at this point Dean’s supposedly an adult. Isn’t it time for him to listen to what Sam wants? Sam has a right to make his own decisions about his own life.
Dean needs to grow up. What he did was wrong. Just because John did the same thing doesn’t make it right.
Jo1027,
Dean has always been too grown up. He needs to be more of a brother than a father to Sam. I certainly agree that what Dean did was wrong just as it was wrong for John but as a parent I also understand why he did it.
Yes, Dean should listen to what Sam wants, but perhaps Dean believes that, deep down, Sam wants to live, and since he wants him to live so badly, Dean convinces him to stick around. As a mother, I can tell you that I would do absolutely ANYTHING to ensure my adult son’s survival, whether he wanted to live or not. Of course, if he were in horrible agony with no hope for survival, I would see it differently, but I hope I’m never, ever in that situation. Love, Robin 😆
Yes, but at this point Dean’s supposedly an adult. Isn’t it time for him to listen to what Sam wants? Sam has a right to make his own decisions about his own life.
Dean needs to grow up. What he did was wrong. Just because John did the same thing doesn’t make it right.
Jo1027,
Dean has always been too grown up. He needs to be more of a brother than a father to Sam. I certainly agree that what Dean did was wrong just as it was wrong for John but as a parent I also understand why he did it.