Paley Fest Preview: If I Could Ask Supernatural Questions at Paley…
Come Sunday afternoon, I’ll be one of the many indistinguishable faces in the crowd at the Saban Theatre eagerly awaiting the screening of an episode of Supernatural (and I’m expecting it to be one we’ve already seen [maybe The French Mistake?], not a new one this audience would promptly spoil for everyone else), followed by a panel discussion expected to feature Eric Kripke, Sera Gamble, Ben Edlund, Jensen Ackles, Jared Padalecki, Jim Beaver, and Misha Collins. I know I’ll have a great time! I also know I won’t have any real chance to ask any questions – most of the panel questions typically come from the moderator (in this case, the delightful TV critic and ardent Supernatural fan Maureen Ryan), with just a random lucky few coming usually from the front section of the theatre. That doesn’t stop me from thinking of questions I’d really like to hear answered by all the folk who’ll be sitting on that stage, though, so I thought I’d just put my thoughts into the wind. Maybe the wind will whisper them in other ears on the press line or the podium …
If I Could Ask Supernatural Questions At Paley …
Come Sunday afternoon, I’ll be one of the many indistinguishable faces in the crowd at the Saban Theatre eagerly awaiting the screening of an episode of Supernatural (and I’m expecting it to be one we’ve already seen [maybe “The French Mistake?”], not a new one this audience would promptly spoil for everyone else), followed by a panel discussion expected to feature Eric Kripke, Sera Gamble, Ben Edlund, Jensen Ackles, Jared Padalecki, Jim Beaver, and Misha Collins. I know I’ll have a great time! I also know I won’t have any real chance to ask any questions – most of the panel questions typically come from the moderator (in this case, the delightful TV critic and ardent Supernatural fan Maureen Ryan), with just a random lucky few coming usually from the front section of the theatre. That doesn’t stop me from thinking of questions I’d really like to hear answered by all the folk who’ll be sitting on that stage, though, so I thought I’d just put my thoughts into the wind. Maybe the wind will whisper them in other ears on the press line or the podium …
None of my questions seek spoilers. The show folk are canny people who’ll let slip what they want to use to tease us, and I’m perfectly happy with that. But it would be really nice if the folks at the CW chose to take advantage of the Paley media spotlight to make an announcement about the future of the show. Just sayin’.
Okay: on to the main event!
Plan Versus Execution
I think a lot of fans don’t realize that whenever you’re writing a story, the process of thinking and writing almost inevitably alters the outline you may have started with, and the final tale you tell may have layers and twists you never contemplated at the start. That creative process is even more convoluted in the intensely collaborative medium of television, where the writing along with all other aspects of production is and has to be a team effort, tapping and feeding off of the ideas and abilities of many minds. I think Supernatural is a brilliant example of that iterative process, and I’d love to watch and hear the creative team share a bit about how the story we’ve come to know actually came about.
Accordingly, my first big question would be for Eric, Sera, and Ben. I would love to hear an open, collaborative discussion among the writers concerning just how much of the story we’ve seen was actually planned out in advance and happened as intended, along with when, how, and especially why other aspects changed, and what effect those changes had on giving us a different outcome than the creators initially envisioned.
Let me explain. In the very first Paley panel in 2006, Eric jokingly told the story of how he came up with his off-the-cuff pitch for Supernatural as a horror anthology brother road show through American urban legends: Route 66 meets The X-Files. Eric’s self-admitted interest from the beginning was in telling the horror stories, using the brothers as the vehicle to get from tale to tale. The brothers’ own personal horror story arc developed from that, because he needed a way to place them into the hunter culture. From very early on in the show’s run, Eric said he knew what the last shot in his story would be. At the first Supernatural Creation convention in L.A. in March 2008, Eric said he had about a 15-page bible describing the overall story arc of the show, and that he always knew as part of it we’d never see Lucifer. In a lovely interview at the 2010 Comic Con, Eric for the first time publicly admitted his original idea for the overall mytharc story outline had been simply for Sam eventually to be possessed by Lucifer and for Dean to hunt him down and kill him.
The story we actually got was and continues to be much, much richer than that, a conceptual conflict between destiny and free will, good and evil, conscience and expedience, Heaven and Hell, the human and the supernatural, played out among psychologically complex characters. At the first Paley panel in 2006, Eric freely admitted that the psychological depth of the Winchester brothers was none of his doing, but came from Bob Singer’s understanding that the real story wasn’t the horror one, but the relationship between Sam and Dean. That was enabled by the discovery that Jensen and Jared had the acting chops and innate chemistry to bring that relationship believably to life, and was furthered by stories like Faith venturing away from simple horror into high philosophical concept. Those things led to stories being built around the brothers’ personal issues, with monsters chosen to fit those circumstances rather than the monsters being the focus of the stories. Developments between the brothers also appeared to be influenced by the writers, as they became increasingly familiar with their actors’ abilities, writing intentionally to the actors’ strengths. In interviews during later seasons – including the various Comic Con ones – Eric credited Ben with having come up with the idea that all demons were once human souls, and discussions among the writing team with having found a way to bring angels grittily into the show without Touched By An Angel sappiness.
All of those were profound steps away from Eric’s initial simple vision. I want to learn about more of those moments, and how they shifted the story’s world on its Winchester axis and will shape the story into the future.
Season Six … And Beyond?
Another thing I would love to explore in free-wheeling discussion among the creators and actors is the whole idea and experience of going to season six and (hopefully!) beyond. I’m certain no one guessed Supernatural would actually run to five full seasons, completing Eric’s initial story arc, much less need to do something more and go somewhere different; I’d love to hear how the thinking went on going ahead and wrapping up the initial story rather than simply extending it, and deciding what would follow the apocalypse and where the brothers’ story could go from where that initial tale ended. The choices to jump a year into the future, to explore a domesticated Dean, and particularly to bring Sam back for the first half of the season as a soulless sociopath were particularly risky ones, given the fans’ investment in the close relationship between the brothers as the heart of the show; how did they decide to do that, and determine for how much of the season the brothers would be so different? What challenges did playing these new versions of Sam and Dean present for Jared and Jensen, and how much of what was actually going on with the brothers in the first half of the season did they learn at the beginning of the season, rather than just as each new script arrived? Similarly, Bobby and Castiel were put in somewhat different roles, given their relationship with the brothers; how much did the actors know from discussions about where the show would go when the new season began?
And what clues is the team willing to give about what might be in store for season seven and beyond, if that future materializes?
I Claim Do-Over
For everyone on the Paley dais, I have another favorite question: if they each had the chance to do-over one specific thing they did on or brought to the show, what would they choose to change, and why? (Eric, I’m particularly looking at you: an angel’s grace as a tangible, physical thing, and a fallen angel [and her grace] literally falling to Earth like meteorites? Really?)
Wise Advice
Another favorite fun question in my thoughts for everyone on the panel would be this: given their past six years of experience with the show (all right, a bit less for Ben, and even less for Misha!) and all they’ve learned and done along the way, if they each had the chance to reach back through time to when they started on the show to give themselves one piece of advice, what would it be?
A New View
I thought Jensen brought wonderful vision to his chance to direct Weekend At Bobby’s. I know Jensen, Jared, and Jim have all been asked about that experience, and I’ve enjoyed every story, reaction, and snippet I’ve heard, but I’d still like to hear more, including how the offer for him to direct came about and what things came up and needed to be resolved between the writing and production headquarters in Hollywood and the production team in Vancouver. What was it like for Sera, dealing with Jensen as a director, rather than an actor? What was Jensen’s biggest challenge in taking over behind the camera? Did anything about the experience take him by surprise, despite all his preparation? How involved was he able to be in editing and post-production, given that he was working as an actor shooting the demanding (and very Dean-intensive) Exile On Main Street while post was going on?
Hmm, I think I’m going to stop here; I could go on forever, but that would be selfish. And the Paley discussion is likely to be limited to just one hour anyway.
What would YOU want to ask?
Ok I’ve got one, maybe two lol. Since someone died in Dean’s place (Think way back to the episode Faith) does that mean that since then, each time Dean has died (and was brought back)or should have died (and didn’t) someone else died in his place? Was [i]his[/i] fate changed each time so that he would be at the cemetery at the very moment he needed to be to help Sam defeat Lucifer.
I think you covered all my questions. Especially liked Plan vs Execution and claim do over.Did you consider sending this to Maureen? At least she is a fan and a great moderator and she has good questions. Wish I could go with you f0r moral support 😀
Mary,
I would love to hear a discussion about what things were changed and why. I know that the writer’s strike caused some significant changes to be made to Sam’s storyline and I think resulted in Dean actually going to hell.
I posted these questions over on Mo’s page about the festival and I credited WFB’s Sera interview with sparking the question. 🙂
My burning questions:
Alice Jester over at the Winchester Family Business site posted an interview w/ Sera Gamble and Sera made a reference to Ben Edlund’s contribution to the souless Sam storyline:
SG: “We discussed Sam’s soullessness at great length before we ever wrote a word of dialogue. Ben Edlund had a lot of ideas about what soullessness could mean, and he was especially ruthless with the metaphysical logic, which was very helpful.”
So this question is for Ben: The nature of the relationship between the soul and the body in the Supernatural universe interests me. Especially in light of the previous seasons’ emphasis on the body as a vessel for an angel, that it can be a ‘meatsuit’ for a demon, or polluted by demon blood or defiled by patricide — where’s the soul in all of that? IF souls are so strong, how is it that humans get possessed so easily? (I mean aside from it being a cool plot device and making it so demons can be regular actors w/ contacts)
A demon (possessing a human presumably with a soul) created the antichrist child Jesse – did Jesse have a soul? If Robo!Sam had sired a child during his year of tomcatting around, would the child have a soul? (Hypothetically ONLY – NOT advocating the idea!!!) The shapeshifter babies with human mothers — do they have souls? What happens to the souls when the bodies of humans are turned to vampires? (Dean didn’t lose his right away) Or turned into skin walkers that take the form of animals, who aren’t traditionally thought to have souls anyway? What happens to their souls in the Supernatural-universe.
Question for Eric, Sera or Ben
Are the Angels the only supernatural creatures in the SPN universe that weren’t originally human?
For Jared:
I think you were absolutely wonderful — hit it out of the park playing Robo!Sam — what was the most difficult part of playing a version of Sam like that? How did you approach portraying souless Sam. And I’m glad Sammy is back!
For Jared and Jensen — in the wonderful episode “The French Mistake” we caught a glimpse of Supernatural’s real awards and Jared’s real wedding photo – were there any other ‘real’ items in the fake house and trailer?
I just adore Show and all the people who make it! Can’t wait to hear reports about the Paley Festival tomorrow. 😀
Great questions, Mary! I would especially like to hear the answers to Do Over (hindsight is always so good) and Wise Advice.
I was playing a writing game with my writing partner – we were to go back in time to when we were 20 years old and write a letter to our younger self, giving some advice. I had a hard time thinking of something worthwhile, because in the end, who and where I am now is because of every single decision I made in the past. So the letter still remains unwritten.
Anyway, can’t wait to read your Paley Fest reports! Have fun and say hi to the guys for us!
Thank chuck for Bob Singer, THANK GOD (..and for the writers or producers in the background who made the show unimaginable more rich and better, deeply layered and all this in the gray area.
I like your questions and I would like to get answers to them. For now I am tired and have to go to sleep, I just wanted to comment this! So -good night!
My question is a simple one, and one that I chickened out of asking Jim at last year’s con:
We all know about Supernatural’s budget and time constraints. Do you think (and this could be directed to anyone/everyone on the panel) that those constraints actually ADD to the look and feel of the show, rather than typically detracting from it? For example, you’d have to be more creative with the writing, camera work, lighting, and special effects.
I’ve always loved Sam’s powers and since the subject is being discussed again this would be my question 1: Is there any chance the powers will reapper?
Question 2 – sorry for the lack of originality but: Will we see the Amulet again? Not just that, but I’d like someone to tell the writers how important that object is to fandom. It wouldn’t hurt them to make us happy in this particular aspect, would it?
And finally I’d like to compliment Jared. He rocked in his dual role this season. I’m very, very proud. 🙂
Great questions, Mary. I posted mine over at Mo’s site, but I will copy/paste them here. (and add a few, ’cause I’m that obsessive)
From Mo’s site:
“For Eric – Have you read the essay by Roland Barthes, “Death of the Author”? I ask because it seems to me that at the end of “The French Mistake,” the show basically performs the death of the author…..Do you think that, at some point, the authority of the narrative escaped the hands of “authorized” writers and now the show is simply one of many Supernatural “stories” in a world full of writers of Supernatural? SPN takes up a lot of real estate on the internet, in terms of fan fiction and fan videos and fan art…in fact, if internet fandom were a Monopoly board, I’d say SPN owned Park Place and Broadway, and perhaps even some of the railroads.
For Ben – Drugs, what kind do you take and where can I get them? On a serious note, though, teddy bears, fairies, fourth walls, and all that jazz. It seems to me that you choose the absurd as your primary vehicle for storytelling and I wonder why? What do these types of stories enable you to do that other, more traditional stories don’t allow? And I know you write serious and traditional “drama,” but even on a show as out of this world as SPN, your stories can bring the crack….
For Sera – So, as I watching the last episode “And Then There Were None,” I realized something that I’m curious to get your opinion on. For the first five seasons, most of the “villains” that Sam/Dean came up against were very much “patriarchal” in nature. Even Meg, Ruby, and Lilith were subservient, to a degree, to a male master. I know many viewers have issues with the show’s treatment of women, which I do think is problematic, but what is your take on “the mother” being the big bad this season? Is she really the “Big Bad” or is this another case where we will find out that she, herself, has a master? I ask you this, specifically, because you have taken the reigns as storyteller and as a woman, amongst a majority of men, I’d be curious about your read on the big bad being not only a woman, but a mother – So many Freudian issues to unpack it seems.
For Jared/Jensen – After six years you’ve established a relationship with fans that can be both sentimental but contentious. So my question is two parts: (1) What was your reaction to the script for The French Mistake? Were you comfortable with being the “object” of the camera’s lens, even if it was a distorted (hopefully, presumably) view? and (2) Do you think there is a kernel of truth to the depiction, meaning do you often feel like the characters of Jared and Jensen, especially when confronted with fans, rather than the persons of Jared/Jensen? (By the way, on the monopoly board, I think J2 fan productions would occupy Park Place).”
I would add two additional questions to these:
1. For All of Panel: When all is said and done and the show is finally over, what do you hope to stand back and see? What do you hope this piece of art contributes to the world, if anything?
2. For All of Panel: If you could ask one question of your audience, what would it be? What do you want to know about them? If anything, of course.
Those are some of my questions….
I have a question, I think I kind of know the answer but I think that it would get a nice discussion going:
With the exception of only a couple creatures that are either invisible or only seen in shadows (i.e Hell Hounds) all of the monster on Supernatural have a human form (or are primarily seen in their human form) or humanoid appearance. Is this a Kripke thing (trying to not make the show look campy) or more of a budget thing? (Or both?)
If the latter, if you had an unlimited effects budget, what monster would you show and how?