“Abandon All Hope…” Post Reactions Here
We’re in for a doozy folks. It’s another Ben Edlund epic and the one that takes us into the 8 week Winter “Hellatus.” So, do you think they’re gonna hold back? I hope not. I’m already prepping my loudest “Damn You Kripke!” yet.
As a bonus, Warner Brothers sent another clip yesterday. This one I’m sure has been circluating around (I know Michael Ausiello posted it) but if anyone wants to watch it here, you can now.
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So, be here at 10:00 ish (or for you International folks, after downloading and viewing) and we can start Hellatus together. I’ve got a ton of great things lined up, starting with the full recap to “The Real Ghostbusters” (yeah, it’s really late) and I’m sure “Abandon All Hope…” shortly after that. Happy episode day!
Geez! I’m so scared for tonight. I don’t want to lose Bobby, Ellen or Jo.
Biting nails here!
Oh my God. Can’t even wait till this thing’s over, I’m so miserable. And that’s with fair warning… DAMN YOU KRIPKE!!! Ok, back to finish ep… Happy Hellatus everybody
Can’t…process…what…wow…I…
Screw it. :cry:: :cry:: :cry:: :cry::
Oh yeah. Damn you Ben Edlund!!! Damn You Kripke!!!
Man.. you know a show is good when it makes you cry over a character you don’t even like. Damn you, Kripke!!
Wow, just…wow.
I feel like I will have some thoughts about this episode when my brain stops being so numb. Until then, though, damn you, Kripke!
“Kick it in the ass.” I was already really sad. Quoting Kim Manners pushed me into sobbing. :cry:: :cry:: :cry:: :cry:: :cry::
Oh, and “Damn You CW!!!” January 21st? I was told the 14th. Looks like I’ll be dusting off the countdown clock again.
Oh. My. God. Women & children first – the devil and Kripke think alike.
Loved the use of Santana for the ladies. Loved Cas’s drinking game & his demon bridge over the fire. Not sure about the rest. Did they really think the Colt would work? No one can kill an angel but another angel – quote Uriel.
Just so sad.
I’m a mess. That was so sad. Wasn’t a big fan of Jo and yet I was a blubbering fool watching the whole exchange. Need to go and recover before I can watch it a second (and likely 3rd and 4th) time. Too much to process.
To quote a Winchester; there aren’t words.
I’m sorry – I just saw the Jan. 21st – are you freakin’ kidding me?!? We have to wait 63 more days for the follow up?!?
I think I need to go to bed and recover now….
Damn you, show, for being so good!
“Kick it in the ass, boys” — that’s where I lost it. You just know who would have directed this episode if things had been different. God bless Kim Manners — may he rest in peace and may we always remember him.
Amazing…I can’t think of what to say … I’m dying inside. As sad and depressing as this was, it was a great episode.
Killing both Ellen and Jo was such a blow.. but I’m not sure the message being sent needed to be so intense. The seriousness of the war has never been lost on the brothers, but they will never forget the sacrifice Ellen and Jo made. Dumbfounded
The story gave some interesting info. Lucifer is really NOT loyal to his demons. So the boys might be able to make some more allies in the future. I like that Sam tried to kill Crowley…I would have too… I also like that Dean can tease Sam about his demon trust…shows just how strong a bond they have developed now. And there are only 5 things the colt won’t work on? Pretty specific if you ask me…., could that be Lucifer and 4 horsemen?…. That’s a scary thought. Did the boys take it will them…I hope so.
Bobby really stabilizes Dean,shows how much Dean needs him. I suspect that will be used against Dean eventually. We didn’t get to see how Jo and Ellen first reacted to Cas…but he obviously was accepted by them at the start. So sad we didn’t get to see more of the three of them. Cas was never my favorite character in s4, but Cas has changed to be a very strong ally. He never wavered in his loyalty for the boys, even facing Lucifer. That is interesting
When Dean and Sam discussed Sam’s going, I was SO afraid they wouldn’t stay together. I was hoping Kripke would not go backwards, AND HE DIDN’T. For me, Lucifer has already lost. The ‘divide and conquer’ won’t work any more with the boys. And with the death of Ellen and Jo, NOTHING will deter them now. Lucifer will ROT in plan B.
The 6mos Detroit mention was right out of ‘The End’. The difference is that Sam and Dean were apart then…now they are not. The time line has changed. Also in The End Lucifer said him, Sam and Dean will meet in the asylum…Which show down will be the end of the season? I really don’t want to have to chase Lucifer in s6, let alone in Sam’s body…. Scary thought…Please let that not be the case…
My one wish …….after God shows up, he gives the boys back all the friends they lost…..
Oaky…done rambling…just so much to think about.
So Sam said something really significant to Dean along the lines of fighting together, but my mother was banging around the kitchen and I didn’t hear it :roll:: which was a common theme throughout the show (Jessy cranks the volume. Jessy’s mom stops running water and screams at her that the TV’s too loud) Someone please mention it in a recap!
I generally liked the brothers in this epi,how they were in their own corner hashing things out when everyone else was drinking, and how Sam was able to lightheartedly react to Dean’s ribbing about trusting demons. But I still want something more from them. They’ve been keeping it light for awhile now between them, and this was a heavy epi. I wanna see brother angst dammit!
Everyone is going on about which five beings can’t be killed by the Colt- hello! Luci’s and Arcangel, so that prolly means the other Arcangels can’t be killed either, nor can God. I believe that makes five right there if I’m not mistaken.
I’m getting pretty curious about why Kripke apparently hates Detroit, and what’ll go down there that Luci’s so sure Sam will cave in. We know the Dean-as-leverage bit won’t work anymore, because as Luci has an interest in keeping Sam in one piece, the Angels have an interest in keeping Dean alive too.
As for Ellen and Jo- it was beautifully handled and so sad. I was expecting it to be Jo and Bobby. So the Jo bit was depressing but not shocking, and Ellen floored me! I got the vibe Dean’s kiss goodbye was less romantic and more trying to comfort both of them.
And I have now written a novel yet again. Well it’s certainly food for thought, and since I didn’t even get the preview here, I’m just gonna sit on my hands till January when it comes back on!
**strangled voice** god…..damn.
I feel like someone I knew just died.
However, I am reminded of something George Lucas said of Luke Skywalkers run down the channel at the end of Star Wars. All his help, his friends, his support was taken away. Even R2. I get the feeling that this scenario is what is happening with Sam and Dean. They are the underdogs and for this story to be really great, they have to be at the deficit. But it’s killing me.
I need a Keleenex.
Oh, one more thing and then I’m done I promise!
They had guys kissing at the beginning! I totally thought CW couldn’t go there and that kicked it up to R rated or something (I’m not American so I don’t know the rules).Since they portrayed incest and pseudo-necrophilia in the past, I thought the man-love was the main impediment to having Wincest in the show :P.
Damn. They must have other reasons for not hooking the brothers up with each other. 😀
Focus on the funny, focus on the funny.
I loved how Jo shut Dean down when he tried the “last day on earth” bit.
That and Cas drinking all those shots and then saying he thought he felt something. That got me giggling.
Sigh, sniff.
Crap. That was intense. I kept checking the time ’cause I didn’t want it ot end, what a great eppie!!
I felt truly sad when Jo died. And Ellen too. *sniff* Jo and Ellen, you’ll be missed. And LUcifer is really not a nice cookie, he’s showing his true colors allright. Demons are apparently screwed too. I would have liked to see more fallen angels by his side, or rebel angels (like Uriel was). Luce is sure not looking so hot, with the whole rottening meatsuit he’s wearing, yuck. I liked the scene with him and Cas, it was very chilling.
Crap. the rest of the season is not going to be a picnic… How do they kill him now??? And what about the whole Detroit -thing? That sounded real creepy… And I can’t wait to see Death!!
I loved the shot at the end with the picture burning in the fire, just beautiful.
And now a whole 62 DAYS ’till the next one… Crap. But if I managed through summer, I think (hope) I can manage this too. Or I’ll just burn through my DVD’s till there’s nothing left 🙂
Loved the episode. Just watched it for the second time and my thoughts are all still jumbled. Sad to see Ellen and Jo go. I especially loved Ellen. A strong, smart woman. Wish she could have hung around a little longer. Thought the drinking contest was funny. Castiel’s comments about him thinking he was starting to feel something reminded me about Legolas’ comments in LOTR-ROTK in his drinking game with Gimli (in the extended version). Legolas had the same kind of comments. 😀
Thought the end scene was fitting. Since Bobby and the boys couldn’t burn the bodies of Ellen and Jo (as is fitting at the death of a hunter), they burned the picture instead. Very poignant scene. Very, very sad. Goodbye Jo and Ellen. We will miss you. :cry::
I cried throughly, complete full on sobs for about 10 mintues as we said goodbye to jo and ellen. I never loved jo as a character (didn’t hate her either) but i LOVED ellen and her anguish just broke my heart :cry::
Am i the only one who thought the bit with Cas drinking was an hommage/blantant rip off to lord of the rings:the two towers where legolas and gimli have a drinking competition? for those not as geeky as me it’s in the extended additions.
JAN 21ST – you have to be kidding me! god that’s a long way off.
I liked crowley and the boys complete confusion over what to do with him was funny. I’m glad they showed that the colt was useless it could never have been that easy, hello archangel! Loved Cas being brutal with meg, although i love how they use him for humour it’s nice to be reminded that actually he is fierce and brutal and absolute sometimes and i love the unwavering loyalty he shows the boys even when lucifer is taking an interest in him, for what i suspect is the first time (I wonder exactly how far down the pecking order Cas really is).
So many things i loved about this episode – i love Ben Edlund such a talented man.
oh and DAMN YOU KRIPKE! 😉
Evelyn! Glad i’m not the only one who got the LOTR reference!
Oh damn.
Haven’t seen it yet. Haven’t read comments either, only those beginnings of the comments that are on the home-page.
I’m not sure I dare to watch it right now. Don’t wanna cry and be sad!
Oh, gods and mother earth!
But I want to know what is happening!
What should I do, what should I do…
ok, done.
They did good with Ellen and Jo. Really good. I cried. A lot. Dialog was strong and powerful and true and yes, they did well.
But…
But…
But if Colt can kill pretty much anything, why, why, why Sam did not shot himself with that? That would have eliminated Lucifer’s needed vessel, or not? Or can Lucifer raise also those who are killed with Colt? ???
And shit. I love Ellen. They did good with her but I’m gonna miss her badly.
There’s an Edlund out there, and he’s a sonofabitch!
So much good with this episode, but since there was so much, this could have easily filled two hours. Another (this time, not-so-subtle) jab at homophobia (*and* evil, bailed-out bankers, muahahahaha, etc.). Crowley was excellent, don’t make him a one-shot, Kripke.
Dean bagging on Sam for his demon trust issues, and within seconds, clinking of the beer bottles. That was goddamn awesome as was Jo shooting Dean down, drinking contest.
Kick it in the ass. I cried like a mofo. And, true to form, Ellen and Jo’s deaths were not meaningless in the least. Very cool bringing hellhounds back. Twist that knife a bit more.
Knew the Colt wouldn’t work but which five, Lucifer + archangels or horsemen? Good arguments for both.
Cas was excellent (’bout time they let him not merely be a punching bag) as was Mark Pellegrino. Yep, humans, then demons, he’s such lovably diabolical bastard.
I’m not sure which side I fall on in terms of the ending, but like cassi, I wonder if finishing at Death would’ve been more cliffhanger-y. Not that I’m ever against more overt puppeteering of the heartstrings.
Speaking of Death, this is one thing I’m not sure I dig just yet. Granted, they’ve played with mythology and that I love, but the horsemen are white (the conqueror), red (war), black (pestilence/famine) and pale (Death). Wouldn’t you want to finish up with THE Grim Reaper? I doubt this will have a major impact on the story arc, just a personal preference I guess.
vana naine, if you were Sam, would *you* shoot yourself, even if it’d save six billion? Easier said than done. 😎
Actually this would have been easy way out.
Could be that Sam is too brave for that (too brave to take an easy way out), even in the situation where he has a good reason to step out of the field.
Or he may be too optimistic. (Can’t really see where this optimism is coming, but I can take it.)
Only as I spent last 8 minutes of the episode waiting for him at least to try (and then Lucifer or someone else could stop him some way), the tension and the emotion in the show kind of vanished for me.
You know, when Sam went to check Dean, I was like: “Take the gun and show him that there will be no Detroit! You can beat him!” And when Dean woke up, I was like “Well, now you missed your clean opportunity, but there is still time!” And when Castiel came, I was like “Castiel, man, tell him what to do, he seems kind of lost!”
And when Lucifer said “Hello there, Death” I was just confused. Really confused. The solution seemed so clear to me, how come they did not even think about it?
omg last night episode was just amazing, and I don’t mean that in a omg still still excited from just watching it amazing. I had time to think about it, and sleep on it.
The colt is useless, Jo died, Ellen died, Crowley wants Lucifer dead, and!!!! Death is now walking the earth.
Epic to the extreme! for the first time since watching supernatural I cried and not like teared i mean full blown sobbing (it was awesome!), for characters who hardly had much of an appearance through the show… or more like a hiatus till last night.
kinda peeved for the 2 month wait till episode 11, but with the information presented this episode i think its worth it. Leaves plenty of time to debate about what was given to us. 😛
dam you kripke!! Im male and i was still a blubbering mess! not ashamed to admit it either. everything about this episode was utter perfection. and the acting of jo and especially the actress who plays ellen was so so real. just so heartfelt it was too incredible for words.
and crowley=another great role for the brilliant mark shepard. [If anyone want’s to see more of his excellent acting skills check out the final 3 episodes of season 3 of battlestar galactica where he plays a lawyer romo lampkin. mr ‘I see dead…cats!’ lol. but his character is a real doozy] anyway bak to spn. i cant wait till next year now. but as i have not much else to say cause im so dumbstruck. I will say that i do hope that the second half of the season is back to the juicy mythology with just a couple of lighter ones. which is what last season was like too. cause im really wanting to see more darker themes show up as we head into the final stretch. one can hope.
WELL……Soooo hard to know what to say.
I’ll try anyway
LOVE Crowley (not just because he is English)
LOVE the way the girls went taking the Hell Hounds with them.
LOVE the burning of the photo to say goodbye
OH SO LOVE LOVE LOVE Lucifer!!! He is sooo convincing
LOVE (to hate) the way we are now going to have to WAIT for the next episode
sigh, SOOO much to LOVE
Especially this site!
Diane
Forgot to add
Also LIKING this Meg very much (NOT LOVE yet!)
Diane
One worrying thing.
Deaths of Ellen and Jo were so perfect, so sad, so powerful, all the way perfectly done.
I can’t see any way they could make Sam and Dean going down better than Harvelles going down.
Or maybe it’s a good thing? Now they can’t kill off Dean and Sam, because what can top Ellen and Jo, right?
(What I loved so much was the fact that the whole thing was not overdone. No 15 minutes long deathbed monologues, no wailing, good taste and realism all the way down. Very well done indeed. Superb acting too.)
Oh my! So glad I wasn’t the only one sobbing uncontrollably. I really loved Ellen and hated to see her and Jo go down. Am so going to miss them and wish that we could have seen more of them in the last two seasons.
This should devastate the boys and Bobby.
What did Cass do with the angel killing instrument he used in “Sympathy for the Devil”? That would seem to be the only thing that would take out Lucifer. Did Anna give it to him or are there two of them out there somewhere? By the way, Uriel said only another angel can kill an angel. Cass, Anna and the Gabster should team up for that.
The sacrifice of Ellen and Jo should ensure that Dean and Sam will never concede to being meatsuits for those two angel enemies. Who wants to see Lucifer and Michael battle it out! It has to be the Winchesters themselves or the theme of the last four years of family means nothing. Kripke? Are you listening? LOL!
Dean’s farewell of Jo would surely melt the hardest of hearts. Bawling again here! Hard to see what I’m typing.
Two months hellatus! So hard to endure. Only remedy to that is to continue to wear out my dvds.
Waaahhhhhh!! They weren’t kidding when they said “Abandon All Hope”. Poor boys, poor poor Bobby. I think that Bobby will have a very hard time holding it together after this. I guessed that Jo would die, but Ellen had me in tears. I defy any mom to watch that last scene and not be uber-wrecked. I was still sobbing into my breakfast cereal. The one bright spot: Cas is made of awesome. His scene with Lucifer, looking both terrified of his powerful “brother” and grimly outraged with him at the same time….excellent. Tossing Meg down and walking across the fire on her back? Priceless.
Damn you Kripke!!
What an amazing episode.
What an amazing show.
What amazing actors.
From start to finish, I was consumed.
When Jo looked at Ellen and new without words the Ellen wasn’t going to leave her my heart broke. If that doesn’t depict the love between a mother and child then I don’t know what does.
I can’t even think about that scene without tearing up. I’m a complete mess.
Vana Naine, with regaqrd to your question about why Sam didn’t kill himself with the Colt — Lucifer already told him in “Free to Be” that if he killed himself (which Sam said he would do) that he (Lucifer) would just bring him back to life. So killing himself is not a solution to not becoming Lucifer’s vessel.
Just finished seeing and I’m a blubbering mess! I’m still crying!
Damn you Kripke!
I actually liked Jo and absolutely loved Helen.
I’ll have coherent (I hope!) thoughts by the time you’ll be posting reviews and recaps.
21st (22nd for me) January? WTF? I’ve “heard” 14th, what happened? Kripke and the cw decided to torture us a weak more?
Before the episode started I knew I had to be prepared with a lot of tissues and chocolate (peanut M&Ms)…both proved to come in very handy. DAMN YOU KRIPKE!!!
I don’t even know where to begin….
Basically I loved..uhm..EVERY SINGLE MOMENT from beginning to end. I kept pausing and going back every few minutes to repeat the scenes. It was just…amazing, wonderful, spectacular. Everyone (actors and characters alike) blew me away. This one’s getting a 12 out of 10 for me..which is saying something because I usually don’t like rating episodes.
I love this Show. So, so, so, so very much.
Great, great show! I never liked Jo, and didn’t like the idea of Dean & Jo, however that death scene had me! So well done and moving. It had me in tears and I will truly miss Ellen & Jo.
The next two months will HELL!
Hi everyone,
sorry for not raising my head earlier to say hi and put my word into the discussion. I’ve been really sick and unable to look at this site (sigh…).
Is it possible that a grown woman finds herself thigh-deep in Kleenex after watching an episode like this? It obviously is.
How they manage to combine the cruellest situations possible with that heartbreaking tenderness in such a moving manner will probably always be beyond my wit… I have to say, this show gets to me in particular when it allows silence to appear. Sometimes no words are necessary, indeed – Bobby’s reaction on the phone before necessity kicks in, Dean’s goodbye to Jo, and the mute fireplace moment that was just devastating…
This episode caught me in a very vulnerable moment and it marched into my soul with an army of knives at the ready. I had had the notion that this was going to be big, but the real thing surpassed any expectations I had easily and most painfully.
The matured Jo touched me (and Alona Tal looked more beautiful and sweet than ever), as did her wonderful turn-down of Dean’s last-night-on-Earth move. That Dean-Bobby phone call tore at my heart (forgive me for getting cheesy here), as did the bittersweet adieu between Dean and Jo, and Ellen’s choice to stay with her daughter finally ripped my heart open like one of those hellhounds.
I expected Ellen to stay behind, but was astonished when she really did. I didn’t want to lose the character of Ellen as well, but then – what mother could go, knowing her child would be torn apart by a hell-fire-explosion?
In some way those last minutes Jo and Ellen reminded me of the moment I had to say goodbye to my mother which will never leave me. Damn you Edlund!
Is it possible this show is getting even better? Everyone, literally everyone gave a wonderful performance, multi-layered and intense… and thereby managed to raise the expectations even more. For me, again, an episode like this is proof that we’re watching the best show on today’s television …
Anything can happen now. What will they use the colt for? What will the Pale Rider do to this planet of ours? How will Lucifer lure Sam into saying Yes? Will Dean kick Michael in the ass (aaaah, Kim Manners… I miss his art – but, had he directed this episode I would not have been able to recover just yet, I suppose. Blessed be and at peace, Kim).
Will we meet Crowley (wonderful moment – a demon watching SS-parades…) again? Will he tell us a tiny bit about his liaison with Bela? Trying to picture – what does a demon do when on vacation…?
Okay, now it’s waiting till January. Oh my…
Love, Jas
Out of pure ridiculous curiosity I googled Detroit tourism and found out what’s going on there in 6 months. There’s an annual festival called the “Downtown Hoedown” in May – that absolutely does sound like something the Devil would attend!!! I can just see the fiddle challenge ala ‘Devil went down to Georgia”! It would also attract our Texans for sure. Stay away Sam!!