Official CW Press Release for Supernatural 10.17
Here’s the description for episode 10.17, April 1, 2015
SUPERNATURAL “Inside Man” — (9:00-10:00 p.m. ET)
DEAN AND ROWENA FACE OFF AGAINST EACH OTHER — Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Castiel (Misha Collins) follow up on a lead about the Mark of Cain. Dean (Jensen Ackles) and Rowena (guest star Ruth Connell) meet. Rashaad Ernesto Green directed this episode written by Andrew Dabb Buckner (#1017). Original airdate 4/1/2015.
I wonder what will happen between Rowena and Dean. Will they be adversaries or work together? How does Crowley fit in? What kind of lead do you think Cas and Sam will find? Who the heck is Andrew Dabb Buckner? What are your thoughts on this description? Tell us in the comments.
Andrew Dabb wrote Yellow Fever with Daniel Loflin also Jump the Shark – I beleive The Children are our Future – Dark Side of The Moon which was a excellent episode . So maybe we are in for a really good episode
I hope that Dean does Rowenna in – although if she is a powerful witch ?? maybe she can help with the MOC. What Sam & Cas are up to I don’t know
Unfortunately he also wrote Bloodlines. He is very inconsistent. And at the end of the season the episodes really need to punch us in the gut. Andrew Dabb Buckner? Maybe a typo and he is co writing with someone named Buckner? Isn’t there a writer with that name?
I’m hoping as well that Dean offs Rowena (probably not) and I am guessing that Sam and Cas are going to try to summon Kevin.
[quote]Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Castiel (Misha Collins) follow up on a lead about the Mark of Cain. [/quote]
Sam: Dean! we have found a lead so I will meet up with Cas and follow the lead.
Dean *grunts*
Screen exit for Sam.
~~~~ 35 or odd minutes later ~~~~
Dean is seriously hurt and Rowena has been hurt or dead or fled.
Sam: (hugging Dean , sobbing) NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoo.
Dean: This mark Sam ..this mark I do not know blah blah blah.
Sam :Looking sad.
For samandean10 hopefully Sam has wet hair :p.
[quote]Dean (Jensen Ackles) and Rowena (guest star Ruth Connell) meet.[/quote] *sigh*
Well, Sam has perfected the art of looking sad this year, but I don’t think he’s ever looked sad WHILE his hair was wet- so that would be a groundbreaking episode! Heck, who cares if he has any dialogue! Also, it’s crossed my mind that maybe Dabb and Buckner got married? I really liked some of Dabb’s episodes with Loughlin but I haven’t liked his solo episodes nearly as much.
What happened to Loflin? Did he move on to greener pastures? I agree that Dabb and Loflin were a good pair (Yellow Fever, Sam Interrupted, Jump The Shark – back when anyone cared to write about Sam) Dabb by himself though? eh? sometimes pretty good (Road Trip, Reichenback), sometimes not so good (Trial and Error, The Things They Left, Bloodlines, Stairway to Heaven).
E, I meant to reply to you but screwed up so my reply to your post is a bit further down the page. I briefly tried to research what Loflin is up to nowadays, but my real life got in the way so I still have no answer.
Maybe Brad Buckner and Andrew Dabb co- wrote the episode? Since we saw an earlier clip of Cas telling Sam to shoot Metatron, I’m guessing he has something to do with the new lead on the MOC. Hope Sam does shoot him.
What do you think the odds are that Dean will kill Rowena off in the first 5 minutes of this episode? Yeah… I don’t think so either. Tired of Rowena, don’t care about Rowena, like to see the end of Rowena.
Looks like a typo on the writer name; Andrew Dabb has been very inconsistent lately; hoping this is one of his better efforts. I can’t see Rowena and Dean collaborating on anything; since she is a witch, and the MoC was removed when Dean was de-aged, maybe he thinks she can help with the MoC? Sam and Castiel follow up on a MoC lead? Since Dean isn’t directly involved in this part of the story, can’t see this going anywhere; sadly, both Sam and Castiel are now treated by the writers as secondary characters on the show.
I think it probably is a typo on the name, it was just odd to see it. It does sound like both Cas and Sam will be doing not much this episode, if for no other reason than I can’t see the MOC story resolving until the finale, if if does then. So whatever they do will probably end up useless.
Both Cas and Sam have become unimportant to the story. They have tried to fit Cas into a different role, but the angel politics seems to be over and Claire is either over or waiting to come back. Sam’s lack of story baffles me. They made sure his POV was buried season 8, had Sam be Ezekiel for half of season 9 then refused to let Sam talk about his feelings about anything in the back half of season 9, and now is a complete non-entity in season 10. I suppose we COULD see Sam doing bad, bad things to find answer about the Mark, shocking Cas so much that he can lecture Sam about how much worse Sam is than Dean is with the Mark, otherwise, I don’t see any Sam story here. I hope I’m wrong.
Nah… it’s way too early for Sam to have his two lines of insightful dialog and his 5 minutes of meaningful screen time, that won’t come until episode 23. I fully expect his and Cas’s “investigation” of the MoC lead to be about as meaningful and significant as the left over angel grace issue or perhaps Sam’s purified blood issue.
As bad as it is that Sam (and Cas) have no role, what makes it worse is that the MOC story is so dreary- it’s been going on for so darn long that I’m starting to think the writers simply can’t think of a new story line so they’re dragging this out interminably. I think it could have been a great arc for maybe half a season, or perhaps a secondary, minor arc for a whole season. But between Demon Dean being cured and Executioner’s Song ALMOST NOTHING HAPPENED. I just can’t think of any story arc throughout the entire course of the show in which so little happened for such a long span of time. I’m desperately hoping that these last nine episodes see the beginning of a new, more exciting story, which involves both brothers. And hopefully which gives poor listless Cas something to do.
It’s true. And not only did nothing happened between Dean being cured in 10×3 and 10×14 Executioners Song, nothing much happened between Dean getting the Mark in 9×11 First Born and him becoming a demon 9×23. They introduced the story and basically just sat on it. There’s been 28 episodes revolving around the Mark of Cain, and with the exception of a few standout moments…nothing has happened with it at all. As a matter of fact Dean is right back where he was in First Born when it took it on to begin with kind of negating the entire end of season 9. He became a demon why? What was that good for? What did it accomplish? Not one damned thing. What a snooze it’s all been.
That’s a good point. I’ve said I wished that the Demon!Dean story had gone on longer, but I was assuming that DD would have actually done something demony. The MOC could have Dean spiraling down and being interesting, but it hasn’t. Perhaps Demon!Dean would have been as uninteresting?
You’re right about the MOC story going on since the middle of last year. But at least last year there were other story lines occurring which broke up the monotony of the MOC story. Mind you, I hated most of those story lines but at least something HAPPENED on most episodes. This year, the MOC is really the sole storyline so there’s nothing else going on to mask the fact that the MOC arc is moving forward at a glacial pace.
Agreed. I was a little concerned when Jeremy Carver said they would “accordion out” the MoC story line in to Season 11; it hasn’t been that strong to begin with (though The Executioner’s Song was outstanding). They’re already in a rinse/lather/repeat cycle from S9, Dean’s struggle to control the MoC, with the only difference being he knows what to expect now, and Sam has been steadfast in his support of Dean this season. I sure hope there is more to the story, and it doesn’t just involve witches as that sounds where they’re going with Rowena and The Grand Coven.
And, for as bad as I feel for the way Sam is being treated as a secondary character on a show that’s supposed to be about Dean AND Sam Winchester, I feel even worse for the character of Castiel; the writers have absolutely no idea what to do with him anymore.
You’re right about the writers and Cas’s (non-existent) story. I think it’s been problematic for the writers every season since 5, when Cas became part of TFW. Because of his powers he cannot be with the Winchesters all, or even most, of the time. He would sap any drama or tension out of most encounters between the brothers and whatever they’re fighting because he’s more powerful than most beings. So they’ve tried a variety of tactics to either have him busy elsewhere (like Season 6, Season 8, and 2nd half of Season 9) or neutered his powers in some way (like Season 7 when he was a mental basket case, and Seasons 9/10 when he was human, then had fading grace) or both. These writers just seem to be fresh out of ideas for creative ways to incorporate Cas into the plot. One direction I thought they might be taking after Hannah left was to have him recommit to the angels’ original mission- to protect and help humans. I actually thought that was one of the more interesting ideas from season 9, that some of the angels stranded on earth would put themselves into positions where they could unobtrusively do small miracles to help people. But I suppose that wouldn’t make for very riveting episodes, so maybe I’m just as unimaginative as the writers. Although I’m not being paid to script the show, so at least I have an excuse!
I was so hoping Cas’s story would be becoming human, removing the magic bullet the Winchesters have had for the past seasons and maybe bringing back the constant real fear of injury or death (in as much as possible) and the passion that has been lacking lately. Instead his powers wane when the story needs it, and are suddenly (magically) returned when the story gets stuck.
I did enjoy the little slice of human Cas that we got, and I think it could have been drawn out longer. I did really enjoy him in Holy Terror. The interaction between him and Sam when they found him posing as an agent was really cute. But I’m not sure human Cas would have been that interesting long-term. How would he have fit into the brothers’ lives? I can’t see him as a hunter. On the other hand, human Cas could not possibly be any worse than the largely useless Cas we’ve gotten this season.
Oops, accidentally posted it twice and I don’t know how to delete it. Sorry!
There’s an unusually less amount of information for this episode than usual. Hopefully it’s a sign that there are surprises to come and the promo folks didn’t want to give too much away. The optimist in me hopes that. The pessimist reckons it’s just the PR person slacking off.
[quote]SUPERNATURAL “Inside Man”
DEAN AND ROWENA FACE OFF AGAINST EACH OTHER — Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Castiel (Misha Collins) follow up on a lead about the Mark of Cain. Dean (Jensen Ackles) and Rowena (guest star Ruth Connell) meet. Rashaad Ernesto Green directed this episode written by Andrew Dabb Buckner (#1017). Original airdate 4/1/2015.[/quote]
I am actually more exited about the story part of Sam and Cas. I think it is a huge deal that we see those two work together on screen which we didn’t see at the start of this season because it was done off screen. Sam has even had faith to Cas when Dean has given up (season 6) and their interaction has always been. I don’t know. Just like them to work together.
The synopsis is pretty vague and non spoilerish. Why is Dean having confrontation with Rowena and story how he gets there. Same with Sam and Cas. They are working together, but with what and the story there is also not told. And I actually want to see both stories. I loved Road Trip, Reichenback so I hope this episode is as good. Some interesting speculation is Kevin, demon tablet, Metatron as answer what Sam and Cas is searching.
I am not a fan of Rowena and maybe that is why I am not that exited about Rowena’s and Dean’s story. Still, I know people like her too and I am still willing to give her a chance. I don’t like Metatron either but if he is part of the story then his place is to be there. Also, maybe the stories are connected. You can’t really tell from the synopsis either way. So we will see.
I am curiously exited on this one. 🙂
– Lilah
For all my complaints about the show under Carver, I am pleased that they are putting Sam and Cas together in multiple situations. I have thought for a while that Sam and Cas have a lot in common and having them develop a relationship makes a lot of sense. Done right it could open other ways to keep Cas relevant to Supernatural and if Sam and Cas talk, it can give Sam another friend and someone to explore his feelings with.
Yeah, if you think how the season started. Well, I run a lot with feelings. So this was not said, but they tried to find Dean together before they had the Sam hurting his arm trouble and it would be silly for them not to talk meanwhile doing that. So, I hope we will see a lot of this because I have always seen that TFW works so that Cas is friend of both. Don’t want to go “who saves who” here, but if Sam will save Dean and Cas helps. I am up for it. In swang song Dean had Cas and Bobby to help because they are friends and family. That is my opinion anyway but it is Sam’s strength that drives it forward. Cas is not on the top of his game so Sam’s strength keeps him going too. That is why I am exited and hope it is a big deal. 🙂
– Lilah
I have far less confidence in how the writers will handle Sam’s part in saving (or possibly not saving Dean – being told that the writers intend to accordion out some story lines could mean that saving Dean may be part of the accordion) than you do. However I’m willing to see how this plays out exactly. Perhaps I will be surprised in a good way.
Hope so too. Even I am hoping that Rowena will surprise me. I saw a glimpse of her being the evil thing she should between the over the top acting because she is clearly doing an act and not trying to hide it even. Maybe that is the point. The act is so clear so maybe it hides the more sinister act before she strikes. From that description is really hard to make out what we will be having. I mean all we know it could be Dean having a tea party with Rowena and the fight is a chess match while Sam and Cas will have a picnic and doing yoga. 😀
*shuffles away quietly after the disturbing images that appeared to her mind.*
Hopefully they keep it hidden because we have surprises coming.
– Lilah
I’ve always thought that Sam and Cas have more in common than Cas and Dean, and several times (as in Seasons 7,8) Dean was giving up on Cas when Sam was still holding out hope that Cas was one of the good guys. So I agree that it’s nice to see Sam and Cas paired up. I just wish they would have more substantive, personal conversations. One of the few times they did was in First Born, and that was undercut by having Cas remind Sam of what a screw up Sam has been.
You know Cas and his social skills. I think Cas’s point was they have both made mistakes and he even worse. It is discussing because they all have made mistakes. And the point was to keep on going forward. 🙂
– Lilah
I also wonder what happened to Loflin (correct spelling this time!). I really liked their joint episodes. I really like some of Dabb’s solo eps, like Reichenback, Road Trip, and I actually really liked Trial and Error. But counterbalancing that is my hatred of Bloodlines and the other 2 you mentioned. Hopefully he’s in good form on this one. He has written (or at least co-written) some good Sam eps.
I think I’m wrong about Trial and Error…. I was thinking of that awful episode where Dean is put on trial by a god and Sam is acting as his lawyer (very badly I might ad, as a lawyer he sucked.). That episode was very poorly done and a cop-out as well (Sam doesn’t testify? John isn’t there? Jo is the big surprise testimony? Jeez, Dean never did anything to her or failed her in any way whatsoever.….. lame). I remember now that Trial and Error was the start of the trials for Sam where he killed the hell hound. That was a pretty decent episode despite showings of dictator Dean (“you follow me and I’ll shoot you in the leg”) and the family the boys were trying to save were a reprehensible bunch of d-bags who didn’t deserve the help, but other than those two things it was a pretty good ep. But there’s also the ultra dull Clip Show (zzzz), and the series’ worst mid season finale ever in The Things We Left Behind. I can’t figure out how the guy who wrote that e and the guy who wrote Riechenbach can be the same person.
I loved Trial and Error because we got nice insight into both brothers’ thoughts and feelings. I especially loved that they complimented each other, and that Sam told Dean he could lead him to the light at the end of the tunnel. The guy who could write the Sam and Dean dialogue in that episode is certainly capable of crafting a great episode which contains meaningful actions, dialogue and POV by Sam. I hope that’s the guy who showed up to work the day he wrote this ep.
[quote] I think I’m wrong about Trial and Error…. I was thinking of that awful episode where Dean is put on trial by a god and Sam is acting as his lawyer (very badly I might ad, as a lawyer he sucked.). That episode was very poorly done and a cop-out as well (Sam doesn’t testify? John isn’t there? Jo is the big surprise testimony? Jeez, Dean never did anything to her or failed her in any way whatsoever.….. lame[/quote]
That was ‘Defending Your Life’ by Adam Glass, the writer I’m most lukewarm about, particularly when he writes for Sam. In DFY at least Sam got the ‘save’ rather than being an incompetent damsel like he is in many Glass episodes.
Hi CyanaT… yes! Defending Your Life, that’s the one I was thinking of. Didn’t like that episode at all. And Sam may not have been an incompetent hunter but he sure was an incompetent lawyer; his defense of Dean in that episode was laughable. I’m not surprised that Adam Glass wrote it… he has no problem whatsoever in making Sam look like a fool and he did so here as well by making him look like a moron and a bad lawyer. AG is becoming almost on a par with Ross-Leming/Bruckner in awful, badly written episodes.
[quote]AG is becoming almost on a par with Ross-Leming/Bruckner in awful, badly written episodes.[/quote]
JMHO but I think AG is generally worse from a ‘Sam writing’ perspective than R-L/B. R-L/B do a [b] LOT[/b] of canon busting but I feel they do a reasonable job with the emotional scenes for each brother and generally the brothers are ‘in character’ for their scenes. I do agree that Glass’s DFY was one of my least favorite S7 episodes and was a big letdown over the quality of the first three S7 episodes.
I’d agree with that. It’s pretty sad that can categorize the ways in which the writers are bad and in what ways they do the most harm. Boo. 🙁
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