I gotta say, if "Brother's Keeper" did one thing (and trust me, it did many things), it gave us enough possibilities to keep us all happily speculating and theorizing for the next five months (yes, October is that far away). Far more possibilities have been raised than last year and I was freaking out this time last year. The whole can of mythological worms was opened, and between this and all the alternate dimension time travel dynamics I've had to absorb with "The Flash" finale, my mind is already blown.
Every character was on their A game and no wonder, because you won't get a better writer than the Carver. He is the man and gave us a chunk to take in. The direction and visual effects were stunning too, but do you expect any less from director Phil Sgriccia and Mark Maloche's VFX team? They brought their best, that's for sure. When given good stuff the actors really shine too, and Jensen, Jared, Misha, and Mark just killed it. The best outing from the whole ensemble we've had in a long time.
I wouldn't say the episode was perfect though. The first 15 minutes were a bit slow for me, save the first scene with Sam and Castiel. The rest of the episode more than made up for it though. But enough rhetoric, let's just jump to the burning questions.
I don't believe for a second that Death is dead. Death is a pretty smart dude and knows Dean Winchester all too well. He even acknowledged to Dean that he keeps getting burned by the Winchesters. Heck, I think that Death is grooming Dean to be the next him. While else would be put Dean through all these tests every time he sees him? There is no way Death would be dumb enough to bring the one scythe that would kill him and put it in Dean's hands. He had to know Dean would never kill Sam. In "In My Time of Dying" Tessa said that reapers can create illusions. If anyone can do that, it's the big guy. Death is technically a God and definitely a horseman, and we already know you can't kill a horseman. The other horsemen didn't die either. They just went off into obscurity.
Let's pretend though that Dean did indeed strike the final blow, if anything for amusement. What happens now when people die? Or can they? If "Supernatural" is willing to go there more power to them, but they have a lot to answer to by killing Death. I just don't see them going there.
What I want to know is why would Death have Dean kill Sam and not do the deed himself? There are three reasons I can think of off the top of my head: 1) Plot contrivance because it makes better drama, 2) Because Death is testing Dean for some unknown reason and Dean either passed or failed that test or 3) Because if Dean killed Sam, the Cain and Abel prophecy would be fulfilled and Dean's time on this earth would truly be done. It was the unspoken technicality to him going off to his new life.
Dismissing number one (only because this is Carver here - Ross-Leming and Buckner would have made that answer a yes), I'm inclined to go with number two. Death needs the Winchesters to clean up messes. Remember "Appointment in Samarra?" Remember how Dean had to be Death for a day before saving Sam? Death wanted him to find out what was happening to the souls as well as teach him a lesson. Or how about Death helping out Sam and Dean with that eclipse in "Meet the New Boss"? He warned them about the Leviathan (aka fight them). How about letting Sam go in "I Think I'm Gonna Like it Here?" Because Sam and Dean needed each other to fight corruption from the Mark of Cain (alright, I might be stretching with that one). And now, essentially letting Dean choose whether or not to let The Darkness out? Death could have easily grabbed Dean, zapped Sam and that would have been the end of it. It seems that whenever some terrible, evil force is about to infiltrate the earth, Death is turning to his go to guys and needs to be sure they're up for it together. Sure, he has a very strange way of going about it, but he's Death! Nothing is simple with the number one grim reaper. He gets bored.
I do see why Death would want Sam dead though. It became obvious in the very beginning scene. Sam made it clear that Dean was the only priority. He was dismissing any other warnings because no one was saying for sure what would happen. I suppose once you save the world from the Apocalypse, taking on other ramifications might seem like a cake walk. Castiel was leery of consequences, but followed Sam's lead anyway. So the big question of the episode (and really the whole season) is raised in the very opening. Who is the real evil?
I know Nightsky raised this whole issue in far greater detail in her article, and it's going to be something open to debate for a while, but my take on it is ultimately, this is the Winchester Gospel. It's the story of what happens when two brothers refuse to give up on one other. There are a lot of consequences, a lot of ramifications, a lot of upsetting the natural order. Some good comes out of it, but so does some bad.
The whole confrontation in the Mexican restaurant gave us some hiatus fodder for discussion, but ultimately Dean said those things to break Sam's spirit and resolve. He was determined to get Sam to stop fighting and let go. Was Dean judging Sam by pointing out that not giving up in his brother was causing more harm that good? No more than he was judging that young dead girl he called a whore. It was the Mark of Cain, the corruption of evil inside. Just like a demon, that evil inside Dean exploited character flaws in an attempt to trigger the guilt and self loathing inside. After all, it's something Dean's foes have used on him quite a bit.
Sam though, he could see through it. Does he feel lousy about all that he's done? I'm sure he does. I'm really hoping that next season he does address his role in unleashing The Darkness on the earth. But he isn't the only one to blame. Dean is to blame by taking on the Mark of Cain in the first place and not knowing the true burden he was accepting. Castiel is to blame for not stopping Rowena despite his reservations. Crowley is to blame for helping with the plan. I'm certain Crowley had a far better idea of what could happen by removing the MOC than anyone. That's why I'm hoping we don't get any "you broke the world" guilt trips against Sam next season, especially from Dean. If the writers revert to that type of drama to kill time, I'm truly giving up on this show. Or I'll just severely blast them in a review. :)
This is season ten and by now I'm usually desensitized by everything this show throws at me. But tears were streaming my face when Sam was on his knees crying, putting his fate in big brother's hands. He was ready to die believing that Dean wasn't evil and would find his way back. Carver was clearly going for the parallels with "Swan Song" when Sam pulled out the pictures to remind Dean of his humanity, just as the army men toys in the Impala did for Sam back in the season five closer. I especially lost it when Sam wouldn't close his eyes, despite Dean telling him to do so a few times, looking at his brother with teary despair. Dammit, this show still knows where to hit me hard.
I honestly believed that Dean would kill Sam and I wasn't buy his greater good talk at all. I figured Dean was corrupted enough where he would. I credit the show for building up to that over the season, constantly raising that doubt, especially when Dean did try to kill Sam in episode three. Cain's talk of Dean's evil prophecy helped too. I also have a lack of faith in this writing team where they would go there for the sake of shock value. But the fact Carver didn't was so much better an outcome and consistent with the theme of this show. I'm very, very glad they didn't go there.
Yes, we got some cliffhangers, but I think everyone will come through it. Crowley and Castiel will overcome their twisted situation. Sam, Dean and baby will survive the blast wave and then it's time to clean up the mess. This is where I get very concerned. The whole idea of unleashing The Darkness, the first evil, on the earth seems like a very ambitious plot to me. That's more biblical end of the world mythology than we've ever seen before. The problem is, are they going to follow through? I feel burned by all the angels falling to earth and nothing coming of it, or Demon Dean with the Mark of Cain being set loose on the world and that going out with a big whimper. What's to say that The Darkness won't end up like The Leviathan, living quietly among us and creating havoc slowly through food additives?
This is a low budget sci-fi show that only likes to address the big plots about six episodes a year. Unless these writers commit to following through the entire season, taking their leads from seasons four and five, I fear that season eleven will turn out to be yet another wasted opportunity. But for now I'll have this one to cling onto. The episode had all the goodness I expect from a season closer. Heck, I just fell in love with watching an engrossing, fluid story, something that I didn't see in last week's "The Prisoner." But I'm one that actually loves Jeremy Carver's scripts. The dialogue is always superior, the attention to detail is top notch, the stories are well constructed and he makes me cry. I still remain his bitch. Thank you sir.
Other Random Thoughts
Nice job of opening the show with the "Fan Fiction" version of "Carry on Wayward Son" before going onto the Kansas version. A very nice touch given it was closing season ten.
Glad to meet you Rudy. Sorry you’re dead within the first 15 minutes. Thanks for playing.
“Not my literal heart, feathers.” Ha! I LOVE that nickname for Castiel. I shall be using that quite a bit now. Anyone have a t-shirt of Castiel with "Feathers" on it yet?
Dean’s bluff with Rudy mirrors Soulless Sam letting the girl die in “The Man Who Knew Too Much.” Nice.
Castiel and Crowley MUST have a lot of adventures together in season 11. Think of it, Heaven and Hell working together to fight a common enemy. They've always been so good together I've been disappointed that they've been separate all season. That scene where Castiel summoned Crowley was priceless. “Who summons me anymore. Can’t you call?” “You’re not on my contacts list.” Bwah! That is so Castiel.
Interesting the reveal that the Mark of Cain is what corrupted Lucifer and caused him to fall. The Darkness still found it's way to earth through him if you think about it. Maybe The Darkness is really evil that has long corrupted the earth? Now it's just in greater force? You think that maybe this will bring a return of the archangels? Gabriel at least? Please?
“Brother, I’m done.” Meep!
“A long, long a time ago there was an evil bitch, I mean witch.” Oh, how I've so missed the great Crowley lines this year.
“And there was that time you stood me up.” Ooh, bitter much Death?
Here's a snippet of that Sam and Dean conversation, just in case you need a good sucker punch to the gut:
Dean: Evil tracks us, and it nukes everything in our vicinity. Our family, our friends, it’s time we put a proper name to what we really are and we deal with it.
Sam: Wait a second, we are not evil. Listen, we’re far from perfect, be we are good. That thing on your arm is evil, but not you. Not me.
Dean: I let Rudy die. How is that not evil? I know what I am Sam. But who are you when you drove that man to sell you soul, or when you bullied Charlie into getting herself killed. And to what end? A good end, a just end? To remove the Mark no matter what the consequences, Sam, how is that not evil? I have this thing on my arm and you’re willing to let the darkness into the world.
Sam: You’re also willing to summon Death to make sure you could never do any more harm. You summoned me because you knew I would do anything to protect you. That’s not evil Dean. That’s not an evil man, that is a good man trying to be heard, searching for some other way.
Dean: No, there’s no other way Sam. I’m sorry.
Yeah, I'm not sure why Sam threw the first punch either other than Carver decided that Sam never throws the first punch, so why not? And yes, these Sam lines are just gold:
"You'll never, ever hear me say that you - the real you - is anything but good. But you're right, before you hurt anyone else, you have to be stopped at any cost. I understand. Do it."
"Wait, take these. One day, when you find your way back, let these as your guide. They can help your remember what it was to be good, what it was to love."
Overall grade for this finale, an A. As I said, not the greatest finale, but as far as this very uneven season ten goes, "Brother's Keeper" easily one of the greatest. Time to spend five months over-speculating what we saw and what's to come! Good times for an SPN fan.
Quote:Payback for them effing up the natural order?
Quote:The only time I've cried was when Sam had to shoot Madison. *blinks away a few specs of tears* So sad >_< I actually saw that scene before I started the show. First watched that in the anime version then curiosity drove me to see the live action. Oh gosh how I cried for a character I didn't even know!
Quote:Quite so. The budget is my worry. They really could do with a higher budget! I mean I DO like the idea of the first evil being released but not with a low budget.
Quote:Me "OOOH Its Rudy!"
After he dies
Me: "Oh.. :("
Quote:Survive as it totally unaffected? What do you mean? Just physically?
That brotherly scene is up with the Sacrifice church scene as my absolute favourites of the entire series. Dean's "Sammy, close your eyes" and Sammy's tears, Sam on his knees looking up to his brother waiting to die, willing to sacrifice himself...well, that just about did me in. I cannot stop replaying that scene. That zig zag tear and then "Sammy, close your eyes" will probably haunt me for a good long while. I hope Jared feels very proud of his work, he should be, he was amazing. Jensen was wonderful too. The acting was incredible in this episode. Jared and Jensen are class acts.
I was so happy that Sam saved Dean. I loved all the brotherly love. Loved Sam's unwavering faith in Dean's goodness, his unwavering determination to save Dean. I am so happy that the MOC is gone. I can't wait to see old Dean back again, I have missed him so much. My biggest hope for S11 is that we get the boys back together again, fighting the darkness (however that issue manifests itself) together and with no more conflict and fighting and blame. Like you I definitely don't want any more guilt trips being dumped on Sam.
Loved seeing Death again and I was very pleased to have it confirmed that he was actually there ready to reap Sam in 9.01. I too don't believe that Death is dead, the guy surely has got some plan up his sleeve.
I enjoyed the scenes between Crowley and Castiel , they make a fun pairing and I am so happy that Rowena is still alive. For a long while I didn't like her at all but she's become one of the highlights of S10 for me.
The Darkness intrigues me and I'm looking forward to seeing how this storyline is handled next season, albeit with some trepidation - I remember being excited about the Leviathans and that didn't turn out so good after all. I kind of loved that the last word of the episode was Sam yelling 'Dean!' as the darkness engulfed them.
Definitely a Grade A from me. I've had my ups and downs with S10 but this finale has me very much looking forward to s11.
Granted some of them fizzle .But the thing that irks me most is how different Sam is treated in the aftermath and other characters are.The Gadreel possession and MoC are prime examples of this.I will not go in detail as I have already done so...but these have made me apprehensive abt how This situation is going to be dealt with.
So follow the new season in the boards and if the show falls into the same rut...then its like this season but most episodes unwatched. (4 unwatched episodes this season)
The reason given for having to kill Sam was pretty flimsy. Was glad to see Castiel and Crowley get some screen time together; they play off each other nicely. And they finally put to rest the debate as to whether or not Death was real in the S9 opener, or a figment of Sam's imagination.
And forgive me because this is a dangerous exercise in the Carver era, but I'm going to try to logic this out
* Lucifer was given the Mark by God, which was the key to hold back "The Darkness"
* Lucifer passed the Mark on to Cain, who then passed it on to Dean.
* Since Cain still carried the Mark, even after passing it on to Dean, that would mean Lucifer still had the Mark, correct?
* When Dean killed Cain, the Mark was still carried by Lucifer and Dean.
* When Rowena cast the Mark-be-gone spell from the BoTD, it would have had to lift the Mark from Lucifer AND Dean to release "The Darkness", wouldn't it?
* Since this "fixed" Dean, does that mean Lucifer is all fixed and no longer corrupted and evil?
Answered your own question buddy boy....LOGIC THIS OUT..........
I'm with Alice here. I really loved this episode. I am so glad that neither brother was forced to kill the other and that they chose each other made sense. Yes Sam kneeling before Dean trying to give him a memory to hold on to in his lonely exile just about killed me. Great job Jared. I also don't think Death is dead. He didn't seem all that surprised when Dean "killed" him. I can't figure out his end game though. Another storyline for next year I hope. I also agree that everyone was on their A game in this ep. Cas and Crowley as reluctant allies were pretty funny. Rowena (who I tend to have a like/not like relationship with) was manipulative, evil and heartbreaking. Good job Ruth. Now she is off with the BOTD and the codex. Is there something there that might have the answer to the Darkness? If she can cast a spell to remove the Mark how about one to put it back? We still have Metatron and the Demon tablet running around. Cas seemed to think that had some info on it as well. I can't wait to see how Crowley and Cas make it out of the predicament they are in now. And the boys. Jensen pitched an idea to Singer that the smoke clears and one of them is gone. I saw a big Boo Hiss to that suggestion. But what now. I can't see a whole bunch of finger pointing going on. There seems to be enough blame to spread around for everyone. I am hoping that one of Carver's tasks was to get everyone back on the same playing field. I also hope that Carver (who will write that season premiere) has at least an idea where he wants to go with this. I do love that everything wasn't wrapped up in a bow for us. It's going to be fun trying to guess what is going to happen next season.
Thanks for your review Alice. I gave it a A as well.
I like the idea of one of them gone, maybe Sam. Buuuut it feels a tad cliche because S10 started with one brother missing.
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but LUCI MUST have because the Darkness came back.
see the headache possibilities.
Writing too fast!
You proved my/ our point.
E, are you criticizing GOD? You've crossed a line and I shall be reporting you to Alice forthwith! :) Otherwise, I agree with all of your points about the MOC. Death's exposition should have been a teensy bit longer to clear up this confusing nonsense.
"If there is a key, then there has to be a lock! And when we find the lock then we can get the weapons! And then we can have the weapons. And the lock will also have a lock I imagine, because we open it and of course the initial key that opens the lock......"
As Death was going on about locks and keys I kept seeing Jared from the French Mistake with his big hands miming unlocking the lock....and mumbling away nonsensically.. .. How am I supposed to take THE DARKNESS!!!! seriously now?
I don't think this was a great finale. It was ok. The first 15 minutes were a little confusing - Rudy who? Dean on a case alone? A little hard to follow and Rudy in the finale? Don't get that intro. It was obvious that Rowena would double cross everybody and why she is still alive and Charlie is dead still makes me mad and unhappy about the heavy hand of the dead weight EP, Singer. The scene between Dean and Sam with Death was moving but not all that moving. We've kind of come to expect some emotional catharsis but this one was expected, well acted, but didn't move me. The whole Dean killing Death - hmmmmmmmmm, don't buy it. That is not the instrument that would kill death. So Dean was going to kill Sam and then he changed is mind when he saw the pictures or he never planned to kill Sam and they both knew it? i'm not sure. Anyway, great acting, but expected as I said before. Alway enjoy Death but he didn't seem as menacing as usual - I missed that "Dean......stop shuffling and deal" attitude.
Here are my gripes. If The Darkness predates GOD and the Archangels and was the "first" evil which was locked away by the MoC - how would anyone know to write a spelll to remove it? Carver has a way of setting up season finales and getting fans excited and then totally dropping to ball and allowing Ross-Leming, Buckner, Klein, Charmeleo, Snyder to write a bunch of crap fillers and we wait for our mytharc that just seems to have evaporated. The Darkness is so abstract it could manifest in countless ways but it better be damned scary. Carver turned Dean into a demon and that story ran out of gas in record time. Now he has bitten off "The Darkness" can he and the anemic writing room bring it to life in a way that will pull fans back in and will he actually have a plan for Season 11 that doesn't feel completely random like Season 10? The ending was cool with the special effects but the Impala getting stuck in a pothole and the black smoke just kind of swallows it was a pretty dull last few seconds. Wouldn't it have been better if Death (who I believe was part of the Darkness before GOD and the archangels put it away - I believe GOD gave Death purpose and removed the Darkness from him) walked out of the black smoke or some image was seen emerging from the black smoke but the pothole - really? Super wimp out.
I assume since it took GOD and the archangel to put away the darkness they are setting us up for the series finales which I predict will be Season 12. GOD would have to come back, spring Lucifer from the cage - just go full apocalypse that never happened. I also assume heaven and hell will have to work together to do something about this new predicament because this seems a little beyond the Winchesters guns and salt. They are going to need some divine assistance.
Finally would a writer please squash that little mouse dressed in PRADA we all mostly DESPISE, ROWENA, into oblivion. So sick of her. She did grow on me a little torwards the end of the season but still - one of if not the worst characters ever introduced into the show.
I'll check out Season 11 but Season 10 almost completely made me abandon my favorite show of all time - let's hope Glass is the first of many who leave the show and Carver finds some talent, like Raelle Tucker or John Shiban, or maybe even Edlund could write one ep and gosh even Sera and Kripke is they could write just one more ep. Berens, Thompson, Dabb, and Carver are the only talented writers IMO. Hopefully R Singer will retire after this season - that's an old rumor but he'll probably stay around and milk the cash register like others seem to be doing.
I get it was the 200th episode but its tone screwed with the pacing of the rest of the season and I mean really screwed, Demon Dean was sacrificed for it and because of it corrupted Dean never seemed as much of a threat as Sam's hand wringing painted him out to be because the end of DemonDean was so early in the season and they needed us to relate to Dean for the majority of it that they couldn't go as far as they needed to. Cas let Oscar die and put his worries about great consequences aside to solely save Dean after Sam going on that saving Dean was the only thing that counted. Which considering the lack of threat with corrupted Dean for the majority of the season and it was the Winchester's he's dealing with so the consequences are likely to be global and will put the girl that Cas has spent three episodes trying to bond with in danger, it doesn't make sense unless we are now officially getting that Cas is a love sick puppy and Sam has given his blessing to the wedding. If this is the case Carver - do the follow through next season.
Death turned into a moron as getting his house in order (ie rogue reapers) and turning up and killing Rowena and taking her notes would mean no cure as he could then throw Dean into purgatory and Sam couldn't get him out as the law of averages would be Dean would become a demon there so the human only door would be out.
And Sam sure he was supportive but apart from that I didn't get what the hell he was doing for most of it - we had two seasons of him understandably or not being a bit of a jerk to his brother and then we get five minutes of him telling Dean he is a good man and Sam will always think that. That it? Well apart from that Carver actually put in a part where Sam could have legitimately called Cas to pause the cure until he got more information on the darkness and not killed the scene. That being said Sam can actually now officially be argued as evil and immoral as no-one manipulated him into not calling Cas on that one.
Sure we got a couple of good episodes after Executioner's song and the prisoner but on the whole season 10 was a mess for me.
Fanfiction is a take it out and stick it anywhere filler episode that did nothing to push the season storyline forward.
We could have had more of Sam and Cas being out of sorts while searching, more of why Lester got used as bait, why it took them needing Crowley's intervention to help them wrangle Dean (more why Sam had to use Lester. Who Carver made out to be a big deal but didn't get name dropped between episode 4 and the finale? Sure that made it look like Sam sweated that one, in fact it ties into Carver saying Sam is an immoral git when he feels like it).
The problem is we got soulless Sam for half a season back in the days of Gamble and a Sam who tried to make up for it, the writers knew that it was possible to push DemonDean further than they did and still have the audience sympathise with Dean, but we didn't and why? Because episode 5 had to be a Supernatural special episode and they'd deemed it to be a meta one where the guys were observing how the audience saw them on the light stuff. It doesn't fit with the myth arc this season at all.
But having 15 episodes after that of having Sam say Dean is getting worse with in comparative terms, little to back it up shows the demon dean they gave us didn't cut the mustard. Even with the massacre of Randy and the loan sharks because we were going what will Dean go back to if he was a demon, singing bad Karaoke and being mean to his casual flings then killing Demons and one human who got in his face? Oh wait Dean has done pretty much that as a human. In fact Demon Dean seemed nicer than douchy Dean at the beginning of the finale.
As for Sam being a jerk, there was plenty of instances of Sam being a jerk in season 8 and 9. Whether Dean deserved them, some sure he did, some he didn't to the extent that Sam gave, but the balance of the length the purge hung or text gate or hitting the dog or drop the not looking and I may be the one to kill your friend or you put a vampire and angel over me seemed to off as all we got was him telling Dean he was a good man and he'll always think that.
The pacing was off and the balance was off and why, because bang in the middle of the first half of the season they needed the brothers united to watch a girls choir sing 'carry on my wayward son' and you couldn't do that with Dean being a demon or coming off feeling like crap for being a demon.
He was a dick to everyone else who wasn't Sam when cutting lose. From the girls he pretended to be an army ranger to bed to the guy who served him purple nurples and he killed any monster in his path without any real thought. And that what Demon Dean was more of a dick rather than a real wildcard menace.
If they had stretched it out a bit more we would have seen him as more of a threat and more of a reason for Crowley to turn on demon Dean other than Demon Dean embarrassing him in front of a couple of minions, which is pretty much equivalent to soulless Sam not looking for Dean and banging the hippy in the fairies episode.
But no they had a three episode deadline of demon Dean as four they had to pull back on the arc before the musical one.
It would have made corrupted Dean and Sam's worries more show and less tell when Dean acted a bit dicky further on in the season and Cas' actions in going along with the cure make Sam's actions make a lot more sense on why he is trying to save his brother from the mark. I would have routed for Sam if they had gone that route but they didn't, now am completely going WTF on the rinse and repeat Carver seems to be selling.
And he may have spoken of Dean glowingly - but he hasn't done as much of that to Dean as he did complaining over the past two seasons.
But sure lets do the whole 'You are being mean to Sam' thing again, what round is it? Stuff the rest of the way I see the episode and the season.
Quote:He has to Dean.The thing which Sam did not do was he did not tell him that he would want to hunt him if he did not know him.He has spoken about Dean glowingly to him..that he can overcome the mark..he is capable enough.After he put aside his feelings abt his violation by Gad-Dean team he was supportive of Dean through out.Now granted you wanted sam to not even be angry for that short time, I do not think so.
Quote:Dont know , dont care.When you erase what sam has done now or any other time i.e here you say "5 mins" .I will remind you it was not so.
Even Bobby's letter talked about to do good you may have to do bad and the bad could be really bad.
It wasn't foreshadowing of Sam's dilemma it was raining anvils about the subject so I got no idea what Carver is trying to sell with regard to Sam anymore. And it doesn't help that we had the Flash on the same network, where he had talked to everyone and they got he had to do it but also talked about unknown consequences before he went back. Then he did go back and instead of saving his mother he decided not to and held her hand as she died.
I don't see what difference Sam and Dean being at odds makes. Apart from the fact they were no more at odds in the last two seasons than they were in any season prior to that would never stop them from saving the other.
With The Flash it was a totally different situation. He was told exactly what the consequences would be and even then he decided to go ahead and do it. Add to that, Barry didn't have to do it. He wanted to do it. No-one's life was on the line and if Barry did nothing, there was no danger of anything getting worse.
I agree with that statement Alice. The finale ended on a really high note what for me was mostly a pretty bad season, and I'm actually eager to see where they go with the story. Some viewers didn't like the introduction of the Darkness because it was so out of the blue and might be difficult to do justice to given the limitations of the writers and the budget. Others feel that the finale merely recycled old plot lines from earlier seasons. Others hated the lack of logic in certain aspects of the finale plot. And there is some basis to all of these criticisms, but for me they were far outweighed by terrific writing (some of the best dialogue in a long time) and the portrayal of the brothers. Sam was finally written completely in character, and the depiction of a conflicted MOC Dean struggling to overcome the power of the mark was excellent and what we should have been seeing for months. Does the finale redeem the season for me? No, but it makes me hope that the show might be getting back on track. I also think that everyone has a different tolerance for lapses in logic and the sudden introduction of new plot elements. Even under Kripke, you could have picked apart every season and almost every episode for being illogical or ridiculous. Just one example: the entire Sam/demon blood story doesn't hold up well if you really think about it. Sam is supposedly Lucifer's true vessel, destined to let him in so Lucifer can battle Michael. So Lucifer tells Yellow Eyes to find this special child. But how does YE go about this? By dripping blood into the mouths of Sam AND MANY OTHER children so he could set up a death match between these children in the HOPES that Sam will be victorious! It's really pretty silly. But I overlooked the illogical contrivances because damn, it made for a great story, a story in which the brothers almost always behaved in character, and in which there was at least a general sort of logic to the story as it unfolded. Most importantly, the writing was generally outstanding. This whole season didn't work for me for a lot of reasons, but a major one was that the sole arc was the MOC, and it was an inconsistent, incohesive mess. But I might have overlooked that to some extent, except that a lot of the episodes were poorly written and essentially sidelined Sam. Brothers Keeper worked for me on so many levels that I can tolerate the aspects in which it fell short. One last note, there is much discussion about the moral and ethical issues surrounding the actions and choices of the brothers, especially Sam. And I understand why. But were these same questions raised in season 5 regarding Dean's decision about whether to let Michael in? The issue was framed as a choice between becoming Michael's vessel in the expectation that he could defeat Lucifer as he had when Lucifer first rebelled, or depriving Michael of his true vessel and thereby possibly allowing Lucifer to win. One choice potentially roasts half the planet, the other choice allows Lucifer to wipe out mankind entirely. Dean went the route that presumably gave Lucifer his best shot at victory. None of the other characters (except for Pamela in heaven) even remotely suggested that Dean pursue the course that presumably would have resulted in the fewest casualties. Rather, they actively discouraged him from making that choice. Even Chuck in his voiceover in Swan Song gave his blessing to the choices made by the brothers. I wasn't watching the show then so I truly don't know if viewers were questioning the moral implications of Dean's decision. I only wonder because much of this season was set up as a referendum on Sam's character.
With Carver having that bit of a break where Sam could have paused the cure after all the consequence talk. It doesn't help with the Sam storyline the past three seasons. He still gets little POV and when he does there is a bit of a disconnect what Carver is saying what Sam is, what Sam is saying and what is going on. In season 8 Carver said Sam was the mature one, it didn't come across that way and what come out of Sam's mouth didn't sound like it was mature, even though I got where Sam was coming from but it still felt like Sam wasn't owning his actions in a way. If Carver has Sam do something make Sam own things it would be better, seriously even if it is this. I'd respect what Carver is selling if he had Sam own it.
Because now we have had Sam and Lester, the talk of consequences, Bobby's letter saying Sam is a good man and then the place the phone call could have been and Sam didn't make the call - what else am I supposed to see Carver pushing?
And he didn't get to call Cas! Goodness, the man should have a social secretary shouldn't he? Not thinking through all of the potential outcomes of getting involved with a world-breaking curse ... that sounds like a vaguely familiar scenario, I wonder why?
Sam evilly and immorally spends his last few seconds on earth telling his brother that he (Dean) is a good person, that he is loved, that he will win, that he will fight this. Then he does the one thing that will result in preventing Dean from ever hurting anyone else - and forgives him for killing him at the same time. What a lowlife (oh I am sorry, I believe 'git' was the word used to describe him at this moment)...
To be able to understand some parts of fandom can be impossible, E. Thus has it ever been.
Absolutely. The best evidence of that is that he was preparing to die that very minute. Had he really thought that the spell was about to be cast, so that Dean might be saved without Sam forfeiting his life, he would have tried to delay. The scene, and Sam's words and actions, makes no sense if Sam is still thinking that the spell is about to be cast. Otherwise, he would be dying at his brother's hands for no reason. And as much as Sam probably doesn't want to die, he's probably just as concerned about how devastated Dean will be if he is ultimately cured, but has to live with having murdered Sam.
I have not read all the comments so I suppose someone said it did.
My issue was Dean should not have killed Death but I have watched yet
again, and I see what others were talking about. DEAN did seem SURPRISED
that the scythe Found Death.