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â€˜Why canâ€™t you just say Iâ€™m sorry and come back?â€™
Dean tries to find out what Ben was so worried about. â€˜A date is not an emergency, Ben.â€™ â€“ â€˜If is if itâ€™s the third one. I watch TV, I know what that means.â€™
Is that clichÃ© about the US really true? That the third date means you go to bed? Itâ€™s in various books I read about the States, but I never actually considered it to be a fact. Well, in any case, Ben is worried out of his wits. For him it was an emergency. Because he wants the man he learned to love like a father. And Ben reacts like children often do â€“ when parents donâ€™t get along, they often assume itâ€™s their fault. They try to make amends, even when they donâ€™t know what it is they could have done. Itâ€™s a terrible burden on any kidâ€™s shoulders. Dean tries to explain and ends up putting in words that he is big in the sacrifice business.
â€˜Just â€˜cause you love someone, doesnâ€™t mean you should stay around and screw up their life. So, I canâ€™t be here.â€™
â€˜You think something will follow you home?â€™
â€˜No, no, I donâ€™t, but I think my job turns me into somebody that canâ€™t sit at your dinner tableâ€™ (what Iâ€™m good at is slicing throats. I ainâ€™t a father, Iâ€™m a killer) â€˜and if I stayed youâ€™d end up just like meâ€™ (just like he ended up like his dad, his mother ended up like his grandfather, passing on the family tradition)
â€˜Why do you say it like youâ€™re so bad?â€™ (Donâ€™t you just love Ben? The boy has such incredibly good instinct)
â€˜Well, trust me, Iâ€™m not someone you wanna aim to be.â€™ (Oh, Dean, your self-esteem hasnâ€™t improved a bit, has it?) â€¦ â€˜Iâ€™m sorry, Ben, but you see this way you get a shot to live whatever life you want. Pick one, pick five. Because with me, thereâ€™s just the one road.â€™
â€˜Youâ€™re a liar, Dean!â€™ (Ben exposes him, oh yes, he does) â€¦ â€˜You say, familyâ€™s so important, but what do you call people who care for you, who love you even when youâ€™re a dick?! You know youâ€™re walking out on your family, right?â€™ (Family donâ€™t end with blood, Dean. Remember where youâ€™ve heard that before?!)
And Dean hasnâ€™t anything to answer. The boy is right. Dean is such a courageous man. But in a situation like this, he succumbs to his biggest fears â€“ that something might happen to them on his watch. That the man he also is, the killer, might lose control (as it happened while he was a vampire) and hurt them. He is not able to face that fear as a challenge just yet. With all the worry eating away at him concerning Sam and the notion that he might lose his brother to his hell memories, his strength is not entirely there. Heâ€™s weakened. And heâ€™s sad. Not the best requisite to return back to family life.
As he drives away, Dean remembers the many moments with Lisa and the kid, as if that part of his life was ending and he was seeing it once again, as a personal, quiet, beautifully sad memento of a life he once hadâ€¦ Emily Bronteâ€™s Heathcliff comes to mind: â€˜what does not recall her? I cannot look down to this floor, but her features are shaped on the flags. In every cloud, in every tree, filling the air at night and caught by glimpses in every object by day, I am surrounded with her image. .. the entire world is a dreadful collection of memoranda that she did exist and that I have lost her.â€™
Dean is saying good-bye.
This collage of images from his life with Lisa and Ben was poetical, and I wish the scene had been given more time. Ooooh-ooo Love hurtsâ€¦. Yeah, what a song to carry on that scene with Johnny and his pitiable relationship with his sex doll. What a lonely guy, indeed. A lonely dead guy, that is. Well, Sam, it isnâ€™t over. There is a part of the dead sister still around. And then finally, Sam learns the truth. And I must say â€“ thatâ€™s a twist we didnâ€™t get before. Living remains of a spirit, a transplanted organ. What a great idea! And fascinating dilemma â€“ what can they do now to stop Rose?! Find a non-haunted black market replacement kidney? Eventually Hoodoo comes to mind after Dean meets them.
â€˜Hey, you leave my baby alone!â€™
But before they can explain their plan to Isabel (and us, the audience), Rose christines the Impala which is not a sex doll, of course, but she holds the same importance for Dean as the sex doll did for unfortunate Johnny.
I canâ€™t help myself, the way Jensen runs here in this scene, I feel reminded of the little Yorkie following him in YellowFever. He has a way of Jack Sparrowing sometimes, and looks adorable doing it.
Finally, Dean stops in front of a shop, sure that this move will have the Impala crush into the store and jumps to the side at the last second. â€˜Iâ€™m sorry, Baby!â€™ Unfortunately, Isabel gets hit by a piece of glass and dies, and with her the grief stricken ghost of Rose. Itâ€™s a sad ending, but one that saves the brothers from actually pondering cutting out the haunted kidneyâ€¦
Now, itâ€™s the Impala that needs some replacement organs. Dean works on her at Singer Auto, as Sam provides him with some beer. Itâ€™s not a happy moment, but a peaceful one.
â€˜We saved a few dicks and we killed an innocent girl. I got a heartbroken kid and a woman whoâ€™s so pissed at meâ€¦ I see what you mean about facing your pastâ€¦. Itâ€™s â€¦ itâ€™s awesome, thanksâ€¦. All we do is make a mess.â€™
â€˜Thatâ€™s not true. We save lives, now and again.â€™
â€˜Yeah, I guess. Iâ€™m just tired of all the bad luck, you know.â€™
â€˜Well, number one: bad luck is kinda in the job description. And two: itâ€™s not all bad. Really, look at me, I mean, at least Satanâ€™s left a building.â€™
â€˜Yeah, itâ€™s the little thingsâ€™ (Ah, Dean, yes, we get the irony, sweetie)
â€˜â€¦and I have a soul. Because of you. I never thanked you for that, did I?â€™
â€˜Thatâ€™s all good, man.â€™
â€˜youâ€™d do the same for me.â€™
â€˜I mean it. Look, we keep our heads down, keep swinging, weâ€™ll lose some, but hopefully weâ€™ll win more, andâ€¦ I donâ€™t know, anyway, for what itâ€™s worth, I got your back.â€™
â€˜Yeah, I know.â€™
What they are basically saying is â€˜I love you.â€™ Itâ€™s good that I keep tissues at hand when I watch this show.
This time, Sam is trying to offer some comfort to Dean by reminding him of the good they achieve, of what they are capable of, because they do save people. They canâ€™t save everyone. In other episodes, long ago, Dean tried to offer the same ideas to a desperate Sam who needed to save as many people as he could to prevent becoming some evil thing.
Sam sees hope in their future, even though itâ€™s going to be tinted with the occasional failure, and he tries to make Dean see it, too. He reminds them of what they have â€“ each other, and that he will always have Deanâ€™s back. And this time, for the first time in a long time, Dean knows and believes it, too. There is relief in his eyes. Perhaps he can find hope again. And Sam will be there to help him with it.
This episode was a wonderfully nostalgic one, I liked it a lot. A monster of the week, two brothers investigating like in ye olde days, and heartfelt brother talk throughout the whole episode. And yet, it was new. Both have grown, well, we often grow through pain, and these two have had their considerable shares of agony. I donâ€™t doubt there will be more (come on, we know our show), but they stand by each other in unwavering manner. Committed. Imperturbable. Resolute. And, most of all, loving.
This episode definitely had a season one or two feel to it. I am enjoying the second half of this season alot more than the first ten episodes.
FYI, Snookie is (to put it nicely) a tramp from the MTV show 'Jersey Shores'.
I agree, this espisode had an early season feel to it, and I just liked it!
The more reviews I read about this episode, the more I like it. Yours has definately pushed me over into the fuzzy feelings territory. Not that I didn't already have a brimming heart over that closing scene.
Love your take on Lisa. That woman really is fantastic. I wish and wish there was more room for her character on the show. But at the same time, I'm glad there isn't since that would probably end in a horrific death.
Thanks to NancyL for the enlightenment on what a Snookie is. I was quite at a loss as well.
And Jas, as far as I know the cliche about the American 3rd date isn't true. Or at least, the majority of people I know, have spoken with about the topic and simply heard about; do not live by that rule. As far as I know, that is a myth perpetuated by Hollywood since sex sells.
Or, maybe I'm completely off and will be embarrased by my ignorance
Loved the article. So excited at where the boys' relationship is heading.
On a total side note, I'm recommending that you watch "Lars and the Real Girl". It's one of the sweetest love stories and will hopefully help with how those dolls creep you out. I actually felt for John and his 'Jenni' cuz of that wonderfully wierdo movie.
And looks like Iâ€™m going to have to look up that filmâ€¦ Thank you!! Love, Jas
I enjoyed this episode more than "Unforgiven", probably because I have an aversion to SoulessSam
I liked the way the Lisa/Dean story was protrayed (and I enojoyed your analysis of it) - while I do wished that Lisa / Dean worked out, I do also think that that may not have worked for "Supernatural".
Oh, and the "kidney" twist was unexpected. :)
There was another moment that had to do with the Snooki comment that made me smile. I remember recently that Jared admitted to being a fan of "Jersey Shore" while at the same time Jensen admitted to liking "The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills". Both watched the shows with their wives. Jensen even stated something to the effect that it was like watching a train wreck on tv and very addictive. I really liked how the writers picked up on this little tidbit and incorporated into the storyline. Both guys must have smiled and wondered who snitched on them? Gen and/or Danneel?
To be true, I had some trouble with this ep. I liked your review better and will now rewatch it.
For me it was a verry depressiv ep, Sam in Hell and no seeing a way to cope with it, MOTW wins this time, Dean breaking up with Lisa and Ben and it ended even more depressing with seeing no hope. As I sayed I had trouble with this one.
I am happy that I inspired you to rewatch the episode. Have fun finding the gems here! Thank you for commenting, Jas
Lovely to be back on the couch again.
After the heartwrenching opening alone we need this, the desperation in Deans` voice and demeanour were almost palpable, and were indeed so reminiscent of those awful scenes in AHBL. His reaction when Sam regained conciousness, hauling him up and running, demonstrated just how terrified he is at the propect of Sam scratching at the famous wall. He may now feel vindicated in his warnings and I am sure he will use this in his efforts to persuade his brother to stop inviting in the memories which may induce these cracks. Whether Sam will listen or indeed have any control at all over these remains to be seen.
The `coping`strater gies used are very interesting, everyone needs to recognise and develops their own, Dean certainly knows his, I dont think Sam does but he needs to develop some PDQ. The violent outburst have certainly been demonstrated on many occasions with varying degrees of effectiveness, sometimes used out of sheer frustration and helplessnesss. I agree this was the case in `You cant handle the truth` and I think other examples when this was cathartic was in the bashing of the Impala in ELAC and the decapitation of the vamp in Bloodlust but I dont think this was the case at all in OTHOAP as then it had quite the reverse effect as, although it was undoubtably brutally violent, it was done under extreme duress and caused more damage to Dean him himself than the supposed victim.
The Dean, Lisa, Ben situation gave us yet more hearbreaking scenes, as all 3 find themselves in no win situations. Dean is terrified in what he could `bring home`to them, not only in himself but also in what untold evil entity could follow him there. I was pleased that there was no reason here for us to blame or dislike Lisa for her choice in trying to move on for both herself and her child. The scene between Dean and Ben was so moving and left me wanting to hug both a little and a big boy. I hope this managed to give some reassurance to this child that his has no need to blame himself for his `father` leaving. It seemed so tragic that there should be yet more guilt piled onto Dean here. I really think that one of the biggest fears he had in the relationship with Lisa was the influence he was having on her child and the worry that he would end up just like him. The tragedy is in some respects there could be no finer example and role model for a child than a man who demonstrates unfailing love and loyalty to his family and friends, being willing to literally go to hell for them, if only he could begin to see this and the many other positive charcteristics, but unfortunately this is never the case. I think we need to make room on the couch as some professional boosting of self esteem is more than called for there. The Bronte quote was very apt and beautiful but I did have `issues` with Dean and Heathcliff being mentioned in the same paragraph!!!
So to the `job` which did have a lovely nostalgic feel to it. For me not since Bloody Mary crept out of that mirror has an image creeped me out like the eyes on that model did ( as you know I do have `eye` issues!) But it was so nice to see the brothers working together as in the old days . We saw some of the old humour there, I loved the scenes of the possessed Impala and the apology in making her crash onto the window .
The end again was very moving, so touching and lovely to see the real connection and love back between them, as this time we know that finally they do indeed have each others backs , we certainly have waited long enough for it.
Thanks again for the article Love Ju
On the other hand, it might be an as-if-it-was-a- no-win situation, as the interpretations of the people involved make it so. Dean thinks it canâ€™t go on, so does Lisa, but at the moment they are not willing to give it another try for understandable reasons.
Itâ€™s a shame that Dean is still not able to see his own worth and his inner beauty. Itâ€™s as if he is constantly running from that imagined Dorian Grey painting â€“ as if he was bad. Bless you, laddieâ€¦.
And, Ju, I hope you saw that I didnâ€™t compare Dean to Heathcliff here, right ? I just loved the quote, I think itâ€™s one of my all time favouritesâ€¦
As usual, your couch is a wonderful spot to sit and think. In fact, I sat and thought so much that my comment was getting so long, I decided to just go and write my own article. Thanks for the inspiration, and for giving me so much to think about. And sigh, it was a heartbreaker of an episode, with so many layers.
thank you for letting me know! Best always, Jas
I dont disagree Dean would make an awesome father/husband/ role model. But several things worry me. Dean's control alcoholism to control his pain. And now he's doing powerful possibly illegal drugs.
Was he doing them while with Ben and Lisa? What if Ben found them? What if he got curious and sampled them?
I think before Dean attempts to pursue a relationship with anyone he needs to figure out away to deal with his self worth issues. I hated the whole Lisa/Ben storyline but i sympathised with Lisa in the way Dean left her hanging. Sure, she was terrified of getting THAT phone call but i think her fears could have been alliviated if Dean hadn't shut her out.
Lisa I think expected to have a partner but instead Dean did what he always did with and does with Sam
He shoulders his burdons alone; he doesn't let any one help and on top of that he assumes everyone elses burdons. It took Sam a long time before Dean would open to HIM. And even then Dean only opened up when he was about to fall apart.
I dont know but I think Dean has to change how he thinks...that he doesn't have to do it alone or BE alone. Sam, Bobby, Lisa they can stand by him, say and do the right things until they are blue in the face. But Dean will never start healing until he decides to help himself.
I dont know how one goes about it but I look at Sam and his self loathing about being a freak. He decided to change what it means, to turn it from a negative to a positive. I think if he hadn't been manipulated By A Ruby and the Angels he could have found a way to make it work.
And maybe it did because Sam seems to have come out the tunnel a little wiser and a little stronger.
Deans an incredibly strong person, I know he could do it. He just has to TRY to help himself.
But I geuss Julia Roberts was right in Pretty Woman. Its easier to beleive the bad stuff.
Which is ironic because Dean never takes the easy route....except in this. Its easier to think bad about himself. Its easier to push people away.
I donâ€™t think he would choose that road. I rather believe that the butcher-shop-ex -doc gave him some meds, probably in the neighbourhood of tranquilizers/a ntidepressants/ antipsychotics, thereâ€™s a plethora to choose from.
I think Dean has this huge problem letting anyone in (completely) because he has never learned to do it. In his mind, his survival and that of the family depended on him shouldering the bad parts alone and protecting them. Itâ€™s like an autopilot function.
He has no experience when it comes to letting someone in and going the whole way. Not even with his closest family. He hasnâ€™t let Sam in in various ways (and neither has Sam), itâ€™s a very dysfunctional Winchester tradition, sadly.
But, as in every personâ€™s life, there still are possibilities to changeâ€¦ Iâ€™m hoping both with be wiser and even stronger and more courageous to try the road not takenâ€¦
I don't think that Lisa took back her offer to Dean in "Two and a half men"; I don't think she's just scared for her son or incapable to handle such a life. She was alone with the kid for a long time, before Dean showed himself at her door, so I guess she's perfectly able to being a single mother, or a mother with a man who come back every now and again.
No, I do think that Lisa stepped back because it was Dean who closed himself to them. Too scared of himself to see that could be some way to keep things together. Too used to handle problems and issues alone (because too often John wasn't there to help him), trying to not be a burden for anyone, to actually go and ask for help.
And Lisa couldn't give her love and understanding to someone who pushes them away. You can't allow someone in your life, if he's not ready to allow you in his life.
Poor Dean! He never learned how to ask for help, he never knew he wasn't meant to be the only one to carry the cross. And poor Lisa, too. Clearly loving someone who can't allow himself to be loved...
I've seen some did not care for it at all, and I can't understand their reasons. This had everything I wanted to see. The brothers back together doing their thing and relating so well to each other. Mannequins and clowns creep me out as well, Jas, and I remember when it was asked during hiatus what we'd like to see I answered "A Chucky doll". Careful what you wish for, eh?
I was hurting dreadfully for Dean, Lisa and Ben. I still want, when the hunting ends, for Dean and Lisa to make a go of it. Right now, it brings me to tears and it hurts that Dean has such a low opinion of his wonderful self. He just can't see it and I guess he wouldn't be Dean if he did.
Loved to see Sam doing the FBI stuff and solving it all by himself. He really is back and better than ever it seems. (although we do know that wall will be causing angsty moments ahead)
Couldn't feel sorry for the victims this time and sympathised with the poor girl ghost entirely.
Johnny and his doll? I've seen a documentary about that kind of thing, so it wasn't unbelievable to me. He probably went along with the nasty joke to make himself feel better about his own strange obsessions.
Like dmakdavis, I would love an episode with the brothers in a happy spot, like back in 'Hell House' in season 1. Right now I'm just so grateful they are really together again.
Love your comments Jas, as I'm usually right there agreeing with all you say. Love your couch, and really wish you could get Dean and Sam on it and give them a little insight into their emotional problems. I think you'd like that too, no?
So it was YOU who wished for a doll? Okayâ€¦ crucifixions to the left, one cross eachâ€¦
Oh, and you are so right â€“ I would love to get them on my couch and open their eyes to some of their issues. It wouldnâ€™t take much to perhaps change a few of them and bring them at least a bit of relaxation. Well, Iâ€™d say, they have my number. But Itâ€™s up to them to want to change. And so far, they both seem uncomfortably comfortable with how they are, meaning: they probably don't suffer enough within their own skins to truly and significantly want to change, poor lads. Sniff. Nothing I can doâ€¦
I think Samâ€™s refusal to take the pills Dean offered is notable. Did he say no because heâ€™s on a health-kick or because he thinks as heâ€™s already an addict, no sense in risking another vice? (Or did he say no because taking pills with no label on the bottle is never a good idea??)
Dean and Lisa I loved, it was complete avoidance in play. (I actually really like Lisa, I think she's great for Dean and I wouldn't be disappointed if they came back) Itâ€™s almost as if he didnâ€™t want to be the one doing the breaking for fear of hurting Lisa. At least this way (by letting her â€˜officiallyâ€ ™ end it) heâ€™s giving her some semblance of control and dignity.
Dean actually reminds me of me in this regard. As a youngie, I hated breaking up with people so very often I just wouldnâ€™t. Iâ€™d start act differently and eventually theyâ€™d end up dumping me. Ok, it wasnâ€™t very noble but this way I could hold the high moral ground. (I'm obviously so fantastic that any guy would be devastated if I dumped him!....)
Oh, out of the mouths of babes (or teenagers in this case). Iâ€™m delighted that Ben (of all people) revealed the light to Dean. Ben has copped a lot of flak over the past few months so he was due this moment. Kids are so wonderfully astute. We think they donâ€™t have it in them to notice things but they do, and very often say what we, as adults, donâ€™t have the neck to say.
Also, you could nearly imagine Sam saying the same sort of thing when he was 12 as Ben did here.
I was as confused as you were about the â€˜Snookieâ€™ thing. After the rather disturbing â€˜plushiesâ€™ reveal last week (what the hell!) I decided to not even google it for fear of what Iâ€™d find out...
And youâ€™re dead right, a strange peace had settled over the boys at the end of the episode. Thereâ€™s such a comfort in familiarity but this familiarity came as a new beginning. The boys starting all over again, reiterating things they said earlier in the season but this time those words had depth and meaning.
And once again, we had the subtle reversal here. Earlier in the show, Dean constantly validated hunting to Sam whereas now itâ€™s Samâ€™s turn to support Dean when he is wavering in his hunting faith. Itâ€™s the small bits like this that I love; when one if falling the other will carry him and vice versa..
Unfortunately, based on the first 40 second of this episode, Iâ€™ve completely revised my original theory that as Samâ€™s wall slowly crumbles, Dean will be there to strengthen him and theyâ€™ll all end up happy. (Damn you, episode!) I donâ€™t think thatâ€™s going to be the case anymore. Given the effect that 2-3 minutes of minor leakage had on Sam, I now feel thereâ€™s just too much damage and when the wall goes, they wonâ€™t be able to shore it up. All that Castiel predicted in Caged Heat will happen.
Maybe (hopefully) Iâ€™m having a bad couple of days but now thereâ€™s a part of me (the part I want to kick the crap out of and tell to shut the hell up) that thinks the actual (series) end will come with Dean having to kill Sam, a sort of mercy killing so to speak. I dunno, maybe heâ€™ll ask Castiel to take him up or something and then Dean will choose to join him soon after. Could you please tell me that Iâ€™m thinking absolute crap here and theyâ€™ll end up living on a farm with puppies and baby donkeys and chocolate cake for all eternity.
Please (and thanks)....
They'll end up living on a farm with puppies and baby donkeys and chocolate cake (and pie!) for eternity.
But thanks SO MUCH for instilling the above nightmare in my noggin. Won't have it I tell you! I won't! The kill curse is broken! The prophesy made crap! New storyline, remember? *whimper* Don't like this thought/theory of yours at all. Hurts too much.
Tim, you are an evil genius to rival Kripke and company.
IÂ´ve been thinking about it and even I donÂ´t see the puppies and farm, there is still this blood line issue. I mean because of Team Free Will there was no apocalypse but there will be (has to be) one in the future. So Sam and/or Dean have to have descendants.
This is for me althougt the final proof (if it was needed) that Dean isnÂ´t the biological father of Ben. If Ben would have be Deans son, heaven could have chosen him as plan B or C.
But I also wouldnâ€™t take pills I donâ€™t know the name or function of. Working in this field, you could say Iâ€™m familiar with any kind of abuse or negative effect. What works for one person, might be horror for the other. Good instincts my boy had thereâ€¦ He probably canâ€™t lay a finger on it, but he has every reason to be careful.
Awwh, Tim, what you describe about your mechanisms as a â€˜youngieâ€™ is so common, really. Many people do that, behave unbearably or stage situations where they would get dumped to protect their self-esteem. Most people do it unconsciously. If you were/are aware of that, Iâ€™d say youâ€™ve grown considerably into a person who knows even some uncomfortable sides to you, and that is very commendable. Oops, sorry, you didnâ€™t ask for a sessionâ€¦ professional hazard, you wonâ€™t take it amiss, will you?
You know, Iâ€™ve had that thought often before â€“ that the end will mean Dean killing Sam, one brother slaying the other, this time, however, as an act of mercy. Like when you put an animal in excruciating pain down.
I do hope you and I are wrong here, though! I donâ€™t think I would even like to ponder what my emotional reaction to that would be. I can be such a wuss sometimes. Reserve some of that chocolate cake for me, please. I donâ€™t eat it, but should that happen, all diet will go out of the window and I will need lots of comfort food! Can I have some cream with it?
Go raibh maith agat, Tim, SlÃ¡n. Jas
Once again a heartfelt and insightful article.
I really felt so bad for Dean in this one.
That opening scene and the scenes between Dean, Lisa and Ben, was so heart wrenching.
I believe Dean wants to have a life with Lisa and Ben, but is torn between them and his hunting life with Sam. I also think he feels he would be putting them at risk and that somehow he doesnâ€™t deserve them. I really do hope someday things could work out between them, maybe when the series does come to an end. And maybe Sam will hook up with Sarah, I liked those two together.
Hey if youâ€™re going to dream you might as well dream big.
As for the episode itself I didnâ€™t mind it, I liked the ghost and kidney angle.
The mannequins were pretty creepy, especially Johnnyâ€™s â€œgirlfriendâ€ . I have to say that was a little disturbing.
However I also feel there was too much going on in this one.
Maybe they should of saved the MOTW for another episode and just focused on the relationship side of things.
Instead of working on a case, they could have had the brothers go to Bobbyâ€™s. This would have been a great opportunity for Sam and Bobby to reconnect while Dean was at Lisaâ€™s.
Kind of a â€˜Mending Old Fencesâ€™ episode.
I think there could have been some touching and funny moments between Sam and Bobby.
Anyways thank you for some much needed couch time. Cheers!
Dean, that sweet lad, doesnâ€™t have any reason to believe that he isnâ€™t good enough or undeserving of love or a family like this, but thatâ€™s just what he often feels, I reckon, and itâ€™s so real for him that this notion, that everlasting pain, jeopardizes every chance he might have at finding peace and happiness.
He has done so much for people he loves, sacrificed everything a person can possibly give and still there is no peace for him.
Thatâ€™s one part in this paranormal show that is so very much linked to reality, because life often works that way. The kindest people often donâ€™t have a chance, much like Rose didnâ€™t get one.
The people with the biggest heart get hurt, because they also are the more sensitive ones. I just hope that Dean (or Sam for that matter) will grow stronger than they are already to deal with any kind of pain that might come from that dark, dark corner.
Iâ€™m so honoured that you love to stop by to take a seat on my couch, and there is always a standing reservation for you, dear. Love, Jas
You made me feel a little better about whatever pills those were that Dean had. Initially my mind went directly to something illegal & addictive, perhaps because a loved one walked away from me several years ago in part because he loved his drugs more than me. No matter how flawed, Dean Winchester is still my hero, & I didn't want to think of him as a drug addict. The "bouts of violence & alcoholism" are concerning enough, but at least Dean consciously acknowledges them as coping mechanisms.
This episode was a no-win for anyone. Dean's interactions with Lisa & Ben broke my heart. How I wish Dean could really accept that he is a good man & worthy of the love offered to him! I understand Lisa's decision, but hope that someday when the series does end that she & Ben are there for Dean. The talk between Dean & Ben was long-overdue & I was glad to see Ben express his feelings for Dean, even if it probably laid more guilt on Dean for leaving again.
I enjoyed seeing Sam insist on Dean going to Lisa & Ben. That's our Sammy! His sincere thank-you & "I got your back", with that glimmer of a smile on Dean's face indicating that he truly believed his brother this time, made me get my tissues again.
On a fun note, Dean's run from the possessed Impala reminded me of Jack Sparrow too. He just needed to flail his arms a little more!
And donâ€™t worry, I always have tissues around, it comes with the territory. I call it my â€˜wail boxâ€™.
I am sorry to hear about your personal experience, I can imagine how that must have hurt, even more because you probably were not able to change that personâ€™s mind, as drugs can be stronger than a human mind, unfortunately. (((sending hugs)))
I am a bit torn with episodes like this. On the one hand I adore this kind of drama, and then I want to run away from the heartbreaking sensations, arenâ€™t we a fine team of masochists? And donâ€™t we love it?
You know, it canâ€™t be illegal to wish for Dean to flail his arms just a tad more (and could someone at whatever convention please ask Jensen whether he ever had Jack Sparrow in mind when doing scenes like that?)
Thank you, dear. Blessed be, Jas
I thought about it in this episide, and I think I agree with her, unless you redefine "happy" so far that it no longer resembles itself. I guess "happy" is not his goal, then.
Iâ€™d say, as long as Sam is in Deanâ€™s life, he will never be able to think of himself. He will always think of his brother who has been the one big centre in his life and that he has to be there for him, to protect him and guide him, no matter how old sweet Sasquatch is.
I suppose as long as Sam is in his life, Dean canâ€™t even think of creating a life of his own. It might work like a classic Pavlovian conditioning â€“ when Sam is around, sad, in danger orâ€¦ you name it, the protect-and-car e-for-my-brothe r program jumps into action and Dean hasnâ€™t found a way to change that, probably because he never really deemed it necessary.
I agree with you that Deanâ€™s goal is not â€˜happyâ€™. I guess itâ€™s relief â€“ to have done the right thing.
I hope I have answered your question at least a bit to your satisfaction. Itâ€™s late here already and Iâ€™ve had a rough day that left me quite tired, and my brain isnâ€™t working at normal speed. Thank you for commenting and your interest here! Cheers, Jas
Still, the epi left me with an overwhelming need to kick halfway to the other side of the Universe the SPN God's ass. I want happiness for the boys--I won't accept anything else.
Joining you in the happiness-for-t he-winchesters campaign,
I think part of being a parent is wanting the very best for your child. And I think that when you become a parent, even a surrogate one, you see the mistakes of your past much more clearly. We all make mistakes of course, and you can't keep your children from making them no matter how hard you try. But I think that when you can see your past mistakes for what they really were, it also lets you see paths that you hope your child will never tread. Because you love them. Because you want better for them.
And I think that's how Dean feels in regards to Ben. How many hunters has he seen destroyed because of the life? Physically, emotionally, fatally? He wants better for this kid.
...that got kind of long and I'm not even sure I did a very good job of explaining it.
You have a point, and I donâ€™t think that what I wrote about Deanâ€™s low self-esteem and your thoughts are necessarily exclusive.
I agree wholeheartedly that Dean wouldnâ€™t want to wish such a life on Ben, simply because he knows from his own, painful experience how unbearably high the price is he would have to pay â€“ since Dean has been paying it from his childhood days on.
I think, though, and thatâ€™s the point where I addressed Deanâ€™s self-esteem issues, that with his â€˜I am not someone you wanna aim to beâ€™ he wasnâ€™t aiming solely at the hunting business, but at the picture he has of himself â€“ that he is a killer, not a father, and I found it sad that Dean still isnâ€™t able to see the beautiful sides of his nature. He has no trouble pointing at the darkness in his life and his (perceived) self, but I guess when asked about his â€˜goodâ€™ facets, heâ€™d have trouble naming them.
His whole demeanor speaks of his love for that child. And thatâ€™s heartbreaking, really. Thank you so much for raising your voice. Best, Jas
I absolutely agree that the two points aren't exclusive. And I do think that he has low self-esteem, at least to a point. He does see good sides of himself, or some of them anyways, but they make him uncomfortable. Which is possibly why, the only times he says something good about himself, it's as a joke.
Maybe, when he was talking to Ben, it was both of those things. Him not liking himself that much, and at that moment he probably didn't. I could see him taking all or most of the blame for how things fell apart. But also the strong driving force of his love for Ben and his desire for Ben to live a better life.
Thanks for the reply, it made me think deeper into the issue than I had before, and consider a different point. I'm glad you understood the point I was trying to make. Explaining things was never my strong suit, but maybe I'm getting better. :)
And I think, you're so right there, that he wants Ben to live a better life, much as he had hoped for Sam to have a better life (remember when he said to him how proud he was of Sam for pursuing another path? I don't remember the episode, but it was Season1). He's so good at hoping the best for others. I do hope he'll start thinking about himself a tad more. He is such a wonderful man. It's painful that he isn't able to see what we, the audience, noticed long ago.
It's a fine line to walk, isn't it? A delicate balance? Seeing too much good in yourself and not enough of the bad side is almost, if not as bad, as seeing too much of the bad and not enough of the good. I think he would lose a lot of what makes his character so good if he started to think too much of himself and want too much for himself.
A good example might be when Sam accuses him of being selfish for selling his soul to bring Sam back. I don't remember Dean's exact response, but it was something along the lines of, yes it was but he's given enough to this family and he's due. This point is very easy to understand and sympathize with almost entirely because it is very true and because of his selfless nature. Were this "I'm due" to become recurring all sympathy and understanding would be lost. On the flip side of that, if it never happens, things become insanely depressing and heartbreaking, backbreaking and hopeless.
In my eyes, him walking away from Lisa and Ben was more touching than sad because it seemed to me like he was doing it more for their good (or at least he believes it's for their good) than it is because he doesn't deserve it. He admits to himself that he wants it, but can't have it. It's sad but also beautiful, because the reason he walks away is for others and not for himself.
Having said all that, I really do hope that when they eventually end this show, it better be with a happy ending. I can handle a whole lot of sadness and heartbreak as long as there is eventually a happy ending.
Sorry that got so long, but thank you for the thought provoking responses. I enjoy seeing another point of view, especially when it's well written and well thought out and makes me think and see more.
Dean is one of those people. You are right that it is a fine line to walk, a line of acceptance of the good parts and those weâ€™d prefer to hide or neglect.
If it gets out of balance, we venture into clinical territory. If a person believes he has to be good, because only then he will be what he wants himself to be (or what he presumes others want him to be), if he sacrifices so much because of that inner drive that it has to be that way, there is a selfish element there, too, of course. Because that person wouldnâ€™t feel right not acting that way or would have to suffer from a very bad conscience. So, even people who act selflessly do it also because of a hint of selfishness.
Iâ€™ve met people in my line of work whose
narcissism was fired by acting â€˜selflesslyâ€ ™. They needed to do that to feel good about themselves, and whole. â€˜Iâ€™m as selfless as they comeâ€™, something in that neighbourhood. Thatâ€™s the other side of the narcissism coin â€“ to be able to suffer the most, to act selflessly, to be able to sacrifice the most, etc.
Before you get me wrong, Iâ€™m not saying that Deanâ€™s a narcissist. Heâ€™s not, of course not. But he owns a kind of narcissism every one of us has in their system, the part that keeps us going, makes us want to achieve something and feel good about ourselves. Itâ€™s not pathological, but itâ€™s also there. If Dean didnâ€™t act the way he does, he wouldnâ€™t feel right, would he?
I think somewhere along the way, Dean found a central trait for him: that he has to sacrifice. Basically everything for those he loves and cares for. Itâ€™s become a driving force for him. So, you are quite right to say, that he walks away for Lisa and Ben, but there is also another side to it: he walks away because he canâ€™t help himself, because if he didnâ€™t do it, heâ€™d come into conflict with everything he believes about himself.
And thereby heâ€™s also protecting what he believes to be the right thing to do, and â€“ is protecting himself with it. Perhaps, if he couldnâ€™t act this way, heâ€™d slide straight into a deep depression because he wouldnâ€™t be able to keep his inner compass of his self-image.
The poor guy is already depressed, and thankfully in a way that allows him to function, but he could also easily trip and fall into that abyss where he wouldnâ€™t come out without help. (I already reserved a seat on my couch, just in case )
Thanks, Chandra, for this interesting discussion. Take care, Jas
Your insight is very intriguing and interesting to read. Thanks for sharing.