I'm going out on a limb but the leviathan can um, come alive again, so what if Cass can recreate himself. He was full of them. Perhaps he can put back the pieces. ( I wish, I hope!)

Tonight's episode was great. Loved Dean singing, loved seeing Bobby and Crowley. Good job! I hope it keeps the great story lines going.

Were we watching the same show?

Chet's torture was funny (and I hate actually using those words) but the accidental discovery of the borax just came too cheap and easy.

Jody Mills arrival was another was another stick in my craw. She waltzes from a few states over just so she can cook and clean for Bobby?! Was idiot thinks that's what a woman LIVES for?

The violence by evil Bill and Ted was too over the top and too repetative.

Speaking of redundant: Sam walking out on Dean AGAIN, Maybe after the crap season 6 and the crap they did to Castiel, I just don't have much tolerence anymore for the same old same old.

I agree, this ep was fan-centric. My theroy on the whole kiss n make up thing is that maybe Sam will SAY he is putting aside their differences for the sake of the work, cause even they know their better as a team. Then he will harbor his resentment inside till it bubbles out. But we shall see..... All in all, one of my fav ep's. Just too funny n too many references to old ep's. This felt more like vintage SPN to me. A+

I'll be honest, I'm not impressed by the Leviathan Boss, if THIS is the big bad guy that Sera is introducing, it's a snooze-fest for me because I totally fell asleep right as when he started whining about his hate of demons. The guy's about as intimidating as a sponge! And that's an insult to sponges everywhere! Honestly, I would have found this role to be much more interesting if Misha had been in it! At least Misha in those last few seconds of the premiere had me downright terrified to death! This actor lacks the gravitas and screen presence to hold a high power role and falls flat next to Mark Sheppard unfortunately. It's like the whole Eve-miscast all over again. I'm not even interested in Leviathan Boss. It's simply BORING. I found the Leviathan minions much more fascinating than the Boss.

I'm glad someone mentioned Cas again, at least SOMEONE remembered his existence, I'd have thought the guy never existed at this rate...

And as for Crowley and the boys team-up, it wouldn't surprise me if they do go running to Crowley, why you say? Because they already ran to Crowley in the premiere, so why not? Clearly it's okay when they have to do it to save the world but Cas gets all the bitch-fest if he did it for the same reasons. Winchesters are good at double standards so this wouldn't surprise me one bit if they team-up with Crowley.

This was a great, tight episode. Great acting from all, especially Jim Beaver, who had the trickiest circumstances to play. I loved seeing Sheriff Jodie, she is one of my favorite recurring characters.

The conversation between the fake Sam and Dean in the restaurant was awesome.

I enjoyed the pattern of cities attacked, especially when Sam discovered the pattern while they were on their way to St. Louis, where they first met a shapeshifter, and Dean's death was first faked.

I was not thrilled with Sam's walk off, but will be hopeful.

I loved 95% of this episode, the exception of course being the continuation of the f****ng Amy plotline. My one teeny, tiny nitpick: I thought they gave up the Impala too quickly. After Swan Song, there's literally no question of how important that car is to both of them, and even though they know they'll get her back eventually, I wanted a little more protest, especially from Dean. But other than that, I LOVED this episode. I actually shrieked for joy when Bobby kissed Sheriff Mills.

I truly loved this eppy. The humor and air supply scene (i must admit i do the same thing that Dean did...a lot..lol) the Diner scene was classic. I admit Dean should not have lied but he was justified in his actions of doing what he did so I'm not upset with him about it..and hopefully once Sam thinks about it..he will understand why. I hope thatBobby gets himsome happiness he deserves it. Jodi would actually be good for him. Just please bring back my Impala...the guys are lost without it. Everyone was great in their roles and as for the Leviathins....w atchout and Crowley your next after that...I hope Cas gets back soon. And I also hope that they don't work with Crowley. Again great episode it is definitely a classic and one of my favorites. Gonna watch again this week : )

I do love a good massacre! The episode was great, if I pretend the last few minutes never happened. I just can't Sam being devastated over a girl he knew for a couple of hours and leaving again like a 12-year old. It makes Sam look like he turned the whole thing into a 'if you kill her, then you feel this way about me.' But, yeah, the Amy thing has always just been awful, an irritant, and not compelling in the least, so I hope that it is over once and for all.

I thought this first-time writer did an excellent job on his script. I did like the witty dialogue. I like John Showalter's work, and this episode had the tone and the gritty look that the show should have (except for the ending conversation).

Didn't like the girly hook-up angle between Bobby and Jodie. As far as I'm concerned, her character is now ruined for me. She manages to know where Bobby is, but the Levi don't?? Okay. But to show up to cook and clean for Bobby on her vacation days so that another love interest can be inserted in the show? Nope, character is done for me. (Too bad, because I used to like her.)

I liked the development, or background, of Bobby's character -- great scene. So Bobby joins the Daddy Issues Club. Good for him. I wished the boys could be developed beyond their S1, S2, S3, S4, and S5 selves.

I am actually still pretty interested in Dick Roman as the big bad, but all during his scenes I was thinking he's no Zachariah. I liked Edgar, too. Anyway, we'll see where they take him.

Crowley, poor baby got dissed. The Winchesters will probably welcome him back into the fold to take care of the problem.

Well, Frank wasn't nearly as good as Ash, but he'll do. I always liked the relationship Dean and Ash had, but I don't see anything but the brothers responding in a comedic way to Frank. I'd rather have the Ash one, because it reflected two hard drinking, tough, edge of crazy guys and that was more fun to watch than the guys taking a back seat to some random nut job.

Oh, and did I mention I loved the Borax solution. Bobby probably knows about the Twenty Mule Team.

Next week's episode isn't looking all that good, unfortunately, but I hope it isn't so awful as to have Dean apologize to Sam AGAIN, or that Bobby scolds him into apologizing because of Sam's poor nutballs, and that it all isn't done in the first few minutes of the episode.

Last comment, I promise. I guess Dean cured himself of alcoholism as quickly as Sam healed himself mentally. My goodness, those Winchesters certainly have the recuperative powers going.

Nitpicks aside. This was a fun and refreshing episode, despite having the little bit of girly moments that this showrunner seems to like.

Great episode all around, probably my favorite this season. I'm also glad the Amy secret is finally out in the open, but a little disappointed at the last scene. After reading that Jared and Jensen re wrote the dialogue, it's too bad more effort wasn't made to flesh it out more. I guess after several episodes where Sam kept pressuring Dean to talk about what's going on, it didn't make sense to me that he would just storm off. I hope too that there is a real confrontation next week, not just "oh let's not talk and work together cuz we have to". Next week's promo looks weak.

I only finished watching this episode a few minutes ago (damn site, should get their thumb out, grumble grumble) and maybe I'm reading it wrong but there seems to be this general consensus that Sam is mad at Dean for killing Amy. I don’t necessarily think its the killing of Amy that is ticking Sam off. I feel that Sam is more pissed (devastated?) that Dean looked him in the eye and told him that he trusted him, trusted his judgment, and he clearly didn't.

This (trust) is something Sam has strived for since 5.01, hell, since 1.01. Not the trust that Sam will have his back in a fight, or do research properly etc but that Sam can be his equal, do the right thing and make the right decision. I feel it was this declaration of trust, coupled with Dean’s ‘make this stone number one and build on it’, that led Sam to a place where he is more at peace with who/what he is in 7.04.

Unfortunately, I’m now wondering if the realisation that Dean still doesn’t trust him will have longer-reaching implications for Sam. I feel this reveal is going to make it much more difficult for Sam to differentiate between LuciferDean and real Dean now. They’ve both lied to him so how can Sam now know that the whole thing is not just one big elaborate game Lucifer has devised for jollies (and rest assured, Lucifer will be only chomping at the bit to throw this at Sam)?

Add to that, how can Sam trust himself when his brother, the 'stone number one', doesn't? I also think it might reopen the debate in Sam's mind that if it's a monster, should it be killed? He saw numerous similarities between himself and Amy. He freely admitted that he's a freak so what exactly is the difference between Sam and Amy? Do they both 'deserve' to meet the same fate?

Now I must go and speculate about the actual episode. Oh, the trials!!

About this week's poll (don't know where else to put it, ) - my favourite quote was "Swayze always get a pass!" coming from Dean who is such a loveable fan of 'girly' ( ), schmaltzy songs...
That should have also been a choice!!!
Grinning, Jas

I think Dean being wary of trusting Sam's judgement as a hunter when Sam's sharing headspace with Lucifer isn't the same as Dean not trusting Sam as a man because Sam lied and snuck around behind his back with Ruby. Dean himself has a responsibility as a hunter to protect people and if he feels Sam is making a bad judgement call, he can't let it go just because he loves Sam. I also think Dean wanted to tell Sam the truth (Dean's always been lousy at keeping secrets from Sam) but he might have been afraid the truth would undercut Sam's confidence in his recovery (which it did)and that Sam would leave (which he did.)

Another thought from me - I just rewatched the episode and don't think Sam has left Dean. He tells Dean that he should go on without him and then he turns and walks away . . . down what certainly looks to me to be a pier. So unless Sam is planning to swim, he's not going far. I won't be surprised, and will actually be very happy, if next week's episode starts with Sam walking off the pier and finding Dean sitting in that crappy little car waiting for him -- and they have the talk they should have had weeks ago. I just hope that Sam's walk off the pier doesn't begin because he has a new Hellucination that he can't fight this time because of Dean's betrayal because I don't want Sam to have to go through that - but I bet that's what will happen.

And one other thing - at the end of the ep did anyone else notice that the My Little Pony figure was lying in the trunk next to the two heads - I wonder if Dean was planning to dispose of it also.

I'm really enjoying this season. Is it Friday yet?

I generally don’t complain (and lads, you know that when a poster starts off with that disclaimer there's a rant of epic proportions coming! Sorry......) I’m well aware that my misgivings about the show have little impact on the show itself. I’m also fully aware that my misgivings about the show are just that, MY misgivings and are most probably not shared by others. However, I spent some time last night discussing 7.06 because the episode left me with an ever-growing sense of disquiet. Now it’s possible that the lack of sugar might have played a part in my assessment (damn selfish trick or treaters, taking all my sweeties.....) but I figured as I spent so long nitpicking it, it’d be damned hypocritical of me to then go and say that I liked it. While I appreciate fans enthusiasm about the episode, for me it raised a huge number of points that left me feeling depressed, angry and hugely frustrated about not just the episode itself, but the direction I feel the show now seems firmly lodged in.

I can understand why people feel this episode is hugely engaging. It introduced new and reintroduced old. It mentioned Castiel so there’s hope that the issues that remain unresolved that may now get settled. It bought to light an outstanding issue and there were plenty of throwbacks to classic moments of old. However, looking at it with my cranky eyes, this episode doesn’t sit well with me one bit.

Number one: Leviathan Sam and Leviathan Dean. Yes, they were funny, yes, they were kinda hot (if homicidal is your thing). However, they’ve pretty much ensured that the Winchesters cannot now, at any stage, get out of the life. They will now have to keep their heads down and be on their guard forever. They go into a library, or to get a burger or interview a witness at any time from here on in, there will now always be the possibility that someone there will have been watching the news those few days in October 2011 and say ‘You’re the guys who shot the bank/restaurant etc full of people. Aren’t you meant to be dead?’ Next thing we (they) know, hello FBI. They will no longer be able to have a moment’s true peace, until the day they die. This, quite frankly, depresses me. I like to think that one day, at the end of it all, they could at least be afforded the opportunity to just rest. I now get what Mo Ryan (was it Mo Ryan??) said when she spoke about the show being too dark. After this episode, I’m seeing a damn bleak future. (And lets face it, plastic surgery is not an option for these guys.)

Number two: Frank. Yes he was funny and paranoid etc but honestly, I don’t see the point of him. The Winchesters have been living off the grid for almost three decades now and suddenly they need advice on..... how to live off the grid? Why on earth do they need Frank to make fake ID’s when Dean has probably been making ID’s since he learned to do joined-up writing? I appreciate that the show needs to introduce new characters but I don’t believe in introducing new characters just for the sake of introducing new characters. For me, the introduction of Frank made the Winchesters seem incompetent and I don’t like the suggestion that Sam and Dean are incompetent.

Number three: The FBI. Okay, I freely admit that our police force isn’t the best (apologies to any members of An Garda Siochána reading here. You’re doing a great job lads, keep it up!) However, is it standard operating procedure for the FBI (the FBI!!!) to be so damn lackadaisical in their work? These guys (the ‘Winchestersâ €™) had killed dozens in cold blood and unleashed a reign of terror on small town America, yet the FBI take the word of a small town sheriff and his daughter that these guys had been arrested, killed, autopsied and cremated in the time it took them to drive there! Not only that, they then can’t be arsed checking it out because ‘No bodies, no paperwork’. What. The. Fuck!! Has Hollywood ruined me or is this actually the general attitude of the FBI?

Number four: As the Leviathans manage to y’know, get themselves out there via the water, is it the smartest thing in the world to dump their heads back into the water? I thought water would be the last place you should be introducing Leviathan body parts to? I imagine a diluted Leviathan is still a dangerous Leviathan. Again, incompetent Winchesters, not my favourite flavour of Winchester. (Speaking of, end of this scene, Sam takes his bags, tells Dean to go on without him and then starts walking down the pier!!! What’s he going to do, walk to Australia?? That whole scene just made Sam look absolutely ridiculous.)

Number five: The reveal. I knew it was coming. It came and I hated it. I absolutely hated it. In the same way I hated that Sam didn't tell Dean about the powers, I hated that Dean didn’t have the sack to come clean to his brother (and would quite conceivably have let Sam tip away happily rebuilding himself on an ideal that is more porous than Bobby’s floor). I hate that the writers have seemingly decided to push aside Dean’s actions (killing Amy) and focus on Sam’s action (walking away). I hate that the show is trying to turn Dean into an infant by not allowing him the chance to be held accountable for his actions. I hate that a slim chance of seeing things from Sam’s POV came to naught, again. We’ve had more than six years of seeing how Sam’s actions affect Dean and when the carrot of reversal is dangled in front of us, it’s whipped away at the last moment.

So I think 7.06 was my breaking point. That incident has given me ample proof that the show has no interest in writing anything that might indulge us in Sam’s POV. For the last year and a half I felt that it would come eventually. I don’t believe that any more. I don’t think the show can write Sam’s POV, or quite frankly, has any interest in exploring it. They’ve spent over 6 years avoiding it (and it was a great show without it) so I now believe that it’s too big of a leap for them to try for an emotional side of Sam that will (a) tie up what people already suspect about him (b) the tidbits of character development we have seen while (c) doing justice to the character.

The previews for next week certainly have done nothing to allay my fears that the whole killing Amy scenario will be brushed aside with a simple ‘Sorry man’. End of story.

Not only that, but the show has chosen to reopen the theme of the last six years in terms of the whole Freak = Monster = needs to be put down debate, an idea that Sam has fought on his back to dispel. But again, it provided compelling viewing for six years so you can’t blame the writers for going back to a tried and tested formula. I just wish it didn’t feel as if the writers were creating the same doubts about the same characters.

There was a question posed earlier ‘How can Dean trust Sam when Lucifer is still in Sam’s head’? It’s a fair question. As a hunter, as a person, how can Dean trust Sam? All logic says he can’t. The thing is, Lucifer will always be there, the doubt will always be there so can Dean ever trust Sam? He might want to, but can he? And I’m sorry but without trust there is no equality. Without equality there is no relationship. Without the relationship, for me, there is no show.

Apologies for being such a whiny little bitch about an episode that, from what I’ve read, seems to be universally liked. (I think I might be getting the menopause. That comes at about 30, right??) It’s just that this episode has left me with an overwhelming sense of dread about the rest of the season, a feeling I’m praying doesn’t play out but to be honest, I’m past hoping that it won’t.

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Tim, the episode ended with Sam getting angry at Dean and leaving him, and Dean apologizing and letting him go.

The episode ended with Dean saying ‘Sorry’ in an attempt to placate his brother and then turning to get back into the car. What is Dean even sorry for; killing Amy, lying to Sam, going behind his back or getting caught? The final shot of that scene focused on Sam turning his back, and walking away. Therefore the lasting effect of that scene was not the apology or what led Sam to walking away, it was Sam walking away from the apology, not the apology itself.

Accountability does not mean throwing out a ‘Sorry’ and that’s the slate wiped clean. Sam apologised in 5.01 and it wasn’t enough. He was made to account for his actions for over a year and he atoned for them. He also faced up to what he did as Soulless Sam and sought to make amends for that. That, to me, is accountability. Sorry is just a word, and of little merit unless it’s followed up by action.

However, accountability only comes into play if one realises that one has done wrong. I’m aware it’s an unpopular opinion but I feel Dean was wrong, very wrong, in killing Amy. I also feel that he was wrong in telling Sam that he trusted him when he clearly didn’t, regardless of whatever reasons he has for doing so. Giving the timing of the two events, Dean must have had his mind made up that he was going to kill Amy even as he was telling Sam he trusted him. However, had Dean thought about it for even two minutes, he would have realised that killed her was a monumentally bad decision.

When Dean killed Amy, he didn’t just kill a kitsune, he killed a mother, made her son an orphan and created another, much more dangerous monster. If he killed Amy solely because she was a monster, then he should also have killed her son, simple as. The world can’t be black and white when it suits and grey when it doesn’t.

In relation to Dean being treated like an infant (and I believe I said the show is trying to turn him into an infant, I didn’t ‘insult’ him by calling him an infant), I feel that, on many occasions, the show shies away or diverts attention from situations in which the audience would be forced to examine the aftermath of Dean’s questionable actions.

For example, after killing Amy, Dean saw Jacob and hit him with the ‘You kill and I’ll be back for you’ statement. By putting the onus for his survival on Jacobs lap, it completely absolves Dean of anything to do with future consequences in relation to Jacob. Jacob has gotten fair warning. If he kills, Dean will kill him. By depicting Dean as being magnanimous and letting Jacob live, it nullified what he had done moments earlier. Only in this case, doing a ‘good’ deed does not negate the bad.

By killing Amy, Jacob’s only two options now are (a) kill to survive and end up being put down or (b) choose not to kill and die. Dean took away the kids only family and his one shot at not being a ‘monster’. He might not have gotten his hands dirty by killing a child (sorry, a monster. Kitsune = monster, must remember that) but he cast a death sentence on Jacob as certain as the one he did on his mother. This is the consequence of Dean killing Amy, not the mere killing of a ‘monster’.

I certainly hope I’m wrong but I think it’ll be a cold day in hell before the show addresses this. Examples such as the above are the aftermath of the actions of Sam and Dean only in Sam’s case they’re highlighted, whereas in Dean’s case, for the most part, they’re ignored. In 7.06 the point of the scene was that Dean royally fucked up but the emphasis of the scene is that Sam left. In 7.03, the point of the scene was that Dean killed Amy yet the emphasis of the scene is that Dean let Jacob go. In 4.22 Sam killed a demon to get what he needed yet the emphasis was on the fact that the demon was a human. In 6.21 Dean tortured and killed numerous demons to get what he wanted yet at no stage are we reminded that they too were human, and as terrified as Nancy must have been when Sam killed her. 4.22 Sam kills one monster (Lilith) and the result is that he created another, much worse, one (Lucifer). 7.03 Dean kills a monster and..... nothing. This, to me, is infantilizing Dean because it’s not letting him, or us, consider that the course of action he chooses to take has far reaching consequences.

By choosing not to address that, I’m led to ask why. Is it because the show doesn’t want Dean (or us) questioning what he did, because he doesn’t care about what he did or because he can’t explain why he did what he did. There’s all this time spent on how the actions of others affect Dean, but by not allowing the audience to appreciate that Dean’s actions affect others it’s treating both characters unfairly. Sam is demonised as he is the one that all the moral questions are posited at whereas Dean is canonised because by never giving him the privilege of having to explain himself, it’s brushing over what he did and what motivated him to do it in the first place. This does nothing to bring about a sense of balance between the brothers. It’s also doing the show itself damage because it’s enabling the two main characters to become caricatures of themselves.

Ali, you asked me how I’d like Dean to be held accountable. I’d like Dean to be given the same consideration that Sam is given, an opportunity to justify his actions and then let him be judged and redeemed accordingly. I don’t want his actions to go unexplained again. It cheapens him because it insinuates that he can’t explain himself.

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Ali, please realise that wanting more from a character and questioning their actions does not mean I have a ‘preference†™ for one over the other. It just means I have enough respect for Dean to expect him to be treated as an adult, not a child. I find that supporting a character blindly, regardless of what he/she does, makes one biased and lazy.