Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh it's the last episode before the HELLATUS! We're heading in a bit early this year, at episode 9. But still! We have 5 weeks ahead to sweat over what happens this week and drive ourselves crazy with more theories, though maybe, this week will help us with some of those? (Yeah right!). Ok, there's no putting it off, here's the last preview for 2012.
Dean came back from Purgatory, with a friend.
Benny, he seems nice, except for the vampire thing.
Sam met a girl and a dog and well, we think he did.
Sam and Dean had an EPIC fight, or rather, Dean yelled a lot.
Sam keeps flashing back to his dream life, which seems only dreamy in appearance.
Dean keeps flashing back to his Purgatory life, where he looks totally dreamy.
Sam and Dean are talking but not talking talking.
Cass came home, but he doesn't know how.
Dean thought he left the little guy behind, but it turns out, not so much.
The angels are being angels again, as in, dicks!
Kevin saw Crowley's true colours and lost a digit in the process.
The God rock got broken in two and it looks like the good guys got the boring half.
Kevin and his mamma are in hiding with Garth on a houseboat!
The brothers appear to have bought a tanning bed.
Crazy Martin is back!
And vampires, . Meep!
Hands up who liked Martin? Me! "Sam Interrupted" was one of those episodes that grew on me. I didn't love it at first, except for the boys getting around in pjs the whole time and that "Pudding" thing, , , , , .......what? Oh yes. Martin.
Martin Creaser was a hunter friend of John who went a bit crazy-town and wound up as a patient in a psychiatric hospital that was being decimated by a wraith. The boys checked themselves in, by telling the truth (I loved that), and then proceed to go buckets of crazy themselves after being infected by the wraith's toxin. Martin, for all his said crazy, helped them solve the case and escape. I liked Martin a lot and I like the actor who played him, John Gries. So, I'm pretty happy to have Martin back, though maybe not under these circumstances.
Let's take a look at the official synopsis for this week.
SAM PUTS A TRACKER ON BENNY â€” Sam asks a hunter named Martin (guest star Jon Gries) to keep an eye on Benny (guest star Ty Olsson) without telling Dean. However, when Martin tells Sam there was a vampire kill and he thinks Benny is responsible, Dean defends his friend. When Martin decides to take things into his own hands, things get messy and Dean is forced to make a very hard decision. Nick Copus directed the episode written by Daniel Loflin.
Dean is forced to make a very hard decision. DEAN IS FORCED TO MAKE A VERY HARD DECISION. GAH!
Another freshman director! This will be Nick Copus' first "Supernatural", but he's got a great big resume, including a bunch of Nikita's and The 4400's and stacks more, plus he's just done an episode of Arrow, so I like him already.
This week's episode is written by Daniel Loflin. Last week's episode was written by his writing partner, Andrew Dabb. Do you think these guys had a fight or something!? I'm most interested to see how Loflin does, because I thought Dabb did a great job with his solo outing. Maybe these two hold each other back when they write together?
What are we to make of the title, "Citizen Fang" did Benny have a sled called Rosebud (serious Citizen Kane spoiler there, so apologies if you didn't know that)? Rosebud, of course, represented everything that Kane didn't have in his world of wealth and power. It was the only piece of his childhood that he could remember, that tiny bit of happiness, before everything was ripped away. He didn't even consciously remember that sled, as he turned into the mogul he became, but in his dying moments, that was the one thing that came back to him, the one thing that was important, not his wealth, not his stature, but the simplicity of his life as a child and the love of a mother he never knew. It was something that he never lost; he'd just completely buried it, as he became someone else. Rosebud represented who Kane could have been, had he not been dragged from that life and pushed into another, a life that essentially destroyed his humanity and turned him into a monster.
Ok, cinema theory over! Though if you want to read a great interview with Orson Welles about the psychology behind Citizen Kane and Rosebud, it's here. (Yes I'm a movie buff as well as a "Supernatural" nut).
So putting all that aside, because it could mean zip, what does the CW promo tell us?
There's a vampire in town and he/she is killing. Is it Benny? Sam seems to think yes, Dean, obviously, doesn't want to think so. Benny's never let him down. (Flashy edit flash flash flash edit).
What does the CHCH promo tell us? Yay I found it this week!
Martin features in this promo! We see him telling his story about the vampire â€“ we assume he's talking about Benny. Martin still looks a tad jittery to me. Sam and Dean butt heads over Benny. Sam says he doesn't know Benny. Dean tells someone â€“ I assume it's Sam by Dean's eyeline â€“ that he's not to fight Benny because he'd be lucky to get out alive. Then we see Dean confront Benny.
Benny "We gonna talk a bit or what?"
Dean "Let's get to the part about the blood."
Now, how about the preview clip?
Dean comes back to the car with food (bless) and Sam is on the phone to someone, he seems a bit frustrated. Dean asks what's going on. Sam tells him that there's been a vampire attack in Louisiana. Interestingly, Dean doesn't immediately jump to where Sam has gone or where we would go, that it might be that southern belle of a vampire Benny, but rather he jumps to Ã©touffÃ©e! Dean and that stomach of his! Dean asks, who's the source and it turns out it's their crazy old friend Martin Creaser. Dean's pretty astonished by the news that Martin is out. Sam says he seems ok "mostly" and then instantly comes clean with Dean that he's had "mostly ok" Martin tracking Benny for a week. Dean is astonished again and confused and a whole lot of something else, but he seems to be keeping a tight lid on it.
Dean "So Martin says Benny did this."
Dean "If Benny's in Louisiana draining folks, we should look into it."
Well, I don't think that conversation went quite how Sam was expecting! He looked all tense and ready for his brother to fight him and yet, Dean didn't.
I said somewhere, or maybe I just thought it, I can't even tell anymore, that these two appear to be walking on eggshells around each other. Like they both know it's all there, all the crap, simmering under the surface, but neither wants to explore it or explode it. It's easier to just suppress it all than face it. It's like they're together, but not together together (and I don't mean together together like together together...!).
They need to have it out. They really do. We all know something's coming. We've all heard the buzz out there about a conversation that's coming down the line. But what happens before that. Is there finally going to be a proper, non-supernaturally interfered with, showdown between Sam and Dean? Is it in this episode?
It's the midseason finale, so, midseason finale=fan pain, we know that right? Last season we were left in a blubbery mess! So what are our options?
Sam and Dean have a great big fight and Sam storms off to find Amelia (not want).
Sam and Dean have a great big fight and Dean storms off to join Benny (not want).
Sam kills Benny (not want).
Dean kills Benny (not want).
Martin kills Benny (not want).
Benny kills Martin (not want).
Dean kills Martin (not want x 1 million).
Benny is the vampire in question (not want).
They all realise it was a huge mistake and go off to have a beer together and laugh about it (want, puppies and rainbows all around!).
Ugh. I have a feeling in my waters that it's going to be one of the first two, .and I really don't want either of them but I really don't want 2 over 1 more. I'd be far more okay with Sam taking a time out than Dean going off with the vampire. That makes my stomach hurt. It all makes my stomach hurt and I haven't even watched it yet! But, we know that this being all-reasonable with each other stuff can't go on. The scene in the Impala is great, but it's great because it's, "Huh?"
Also, I'm pretty sure Martin is still looney tunes so, I wouldn't be surprised if he's totally jumped to the wrong conclusion and got it all around his crazy chops. I'm pretty sure that it's not going to be Benny but some other vamp.
I wonder if we're going to see the Alpha anytime soon? I mean, he sure as hell teased it on his last encounter with Sam and Dean.
Anyway, so, how are we all feeling? Excited, nervous, sick to the stomach? All three? I'm going with all three. I think this episode looks great. But it looks painful, but I kinda like that, because I'm weird and twisted and a "Supernatural" fan, so I gotta be good with angst right?
Let me know your thoughts, theories, fears...just on the show though, you know,
And for promo pics from this episode and upcoming spoilers don't forget to check out our spoiler page.
Enjoy the episode and see you later in reviewland!
I LOVE BENNY, AS DID I MACKEY, FROM "THE BORN AGAIN IDENITY" JUST SOMETHING ABOUT A NO NONSENSE PLAIN-TALKING RUFF NECK I DO NOT WANT BENNY TO GO AWAY. (ALSO THEY CAN BRING BACK GARTH BUT NOT MACKEY...ok ok)
MARTIN IS QUIRKY AND A VINTAGE HUNTER SO NICE TO SEE HIM BACK.
IT'S GOT TO BE A CLIFFHANGER CORRECT? HELLATUS. SO I DONT KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT BUT AM SORRY WE ARE RERUNING SO SOON.
I HAVE NOT BEEN A FAN OF THIS SEASON BUT I STILL WANT MY NEW WINCHESTER WEDNESDAYS
HAPPY HOLIDAYS ONE AND ALL
Citizen Kane: Rich mogul type, lost his mother when young, never recovered: Nobody currently on the show is a rich and mysterious mogul - but two older characters are (or at least appear to be rich) - both of whom are vampires - Benny's sire (who we don't know for sure is dead) and the Alpha vamp. Do we think it might be one of those?
Actually Benny's sire would get great pleasure out of setting Benny up so that Dean kills him!
What about White Fang? I haven't read it (yes, I know....but I have seen Citizen Kane! One out of two ain't bad) but Wikipedia puts it like this: A wild wolfdog's journey to domestication. White Fang examines the violent world of wild animals and the equally violent world of humans. The book also explores complex themes including morality and redemption.
Does that sound like something in SPN's wheelhouse or what?
And that definitely soundsl like something in SPN's wheelhouse - they both do.
What has me wondering is how Sam hooked back up with Martin. Last we saw him he was in the nuthouse, and Sam supposedly didn't hunt for the year Dean was missing. Hmmmm.
I like Martin. But not so sure I'd trust his opinion on anything important just yet.
*waving hand in air* Yes, to being excited, nervous and sick about this one! The one thing I'm absolute sure of is that we'll have loads and loads of brother angst, just so we're left "in a blubberly mess" again! Added to buckets full of moral dilemmas and WTF and WOULD YOU JUST TALK! moments.
Midseason hellatus is going to be a major pain!
That reference to Citizen Kane has me totally befuddled... Will we see more of Benny's background? Does he have "a Rosebud"? Are his memories being manipulated by angels too?? The Alpha?? (Bring back the Alpha Vamp!!)
I'm assuming Cas is still parked beside Fred Jones for this episode, but will we get anything more about Sam's year?? - Could Amelia be his Rosebud - the one thing he doesn't have now - that tiny bit of happiness that was ripped away? (Reaching? Yes, I think so.)
Any other hints into Dean's manipulated memories- or was the one with Cas the only thing he got wrong?
Well.... we are going into hellatus and it isn't called that for nothin' so we can be assured of some angsty-ness. But.... I'm sure we also can look forward to a couple of giggles (I hope) plus some great performances from two of the best actors out there (and the best looking actors out there). Is it Winchester Wednesday yet?
Speculation..... what if Sam knows Martin is out because Sam was in the nut house with Martin?? I know, probably way off base but..... just somethin' to noodle over until.... is it Winchester Wednesday yet?
I'm a little disappointed in the promos. Dean came back a confident hunter, but in these clips he's questioning his judgment about Benny. From JC's promotion, Dean has to reconcile being friends with a monster while having spent his whole life killing monsters. I've been wondering what Dean's story is this season, so maybe that's it.
I hope we don't lose Benny, too, although I think he's probably a dead vampire walking by the end of the season. I also like Martin and hope that he isn't killed off this episode.
I do find it rather odd that Dean and Martin were the two to interact when we first met Martin, but Martin calls Sam when he gets out? Sam and Martin had no interactions at all in that episode.
Oh, well. It looks like a good episode. I'll be interested to see how Loflin does on his own. I liked Dabb's solo a lot.
Quote:Please allow me to laugh here but I am not laughing at you Ginger. I am laughing at the writers. In the beginning of the season they insisted that Sam is weak, that he can't handle the loss. So, instead of buckling up and steeled his resolved and face his responsibility as a brother, they made Sam 'ran', saying that his world 'imploded' (yet, we're not shown how bad that is) and he can't take it anymore.
Now, they're establishing that Sam considers Dean weak and misjudges his decision in trusting Benny? Sam thinks that Dean's not as bright as him? Where's your smart when you decide to 'ran away' and not looking for your brother, Sam? The fact that you're not looking and not helping Dean get out of Purg is the reason why Dean has to swallow his distastes and accepting a monster's help. Helooo Sam, can you spell hypocrite?
I am very sorry, Ginger but you raised a good point there. The inconsistency of the writing is just beyond annoying.
Quote:This too is part of the inconsistency. Unless Sam was lying and he called Martin first. In Repo man, Sam and Dean ditched their old phones and Nora couldn't get a hold of them. Sam ditched his new phones. Martin wouldn't be able to contact Sam or Dean unless Sam called him first.
Bad writing? inconsistency? something that they do very well ever since S7. Hard to break the habit, I guess.
I'm not seeing Sam's confusion over Dean's friendship with Benny as suggesting that Sam sees Dean as weak. Neither has really explained their situation to each other, at least not that we've seen, they seem to be actively avoiding that conversation, damn them! So to me, I don't think he sees it as weak, more he just doesn't get it?
I also don't see Dean questioning his judgement in this, though I think you could be right in saying that he might be put into a situation where he does. I'd be more concerned if Dean outrightly dismissed the notion that Benny could have gone off the rails. I'm happy to see that he's going, ok then, we'll go check it out.
Maybe both the brother's stories are about coming to terms with past mindsets and reassessing them as they move forward?
I'm with you, I so don't want to lose Benny and I don't want to lose Martin! So I think I'm in for a bit of pain! Because this is a midseason finale and it ain't gonna end pretty!
I hope Sam doesn't decide to go back to Amelia, I hate a Winchester break-up, but I do think it's a pretty good chance huh? For least an episode...hopef ully no longer!
It does look like a good ep. Dabb really surprised me so I hope Loflin does too!
I enjoyed the Purgatory stuff a lot, because that's where the action was, and I miss the action/drama in the show. Personally, I can live without the brothers having 'the talk' to set their relationship right.
No, I don't think Sam and Dean will split up, although I think that would be the most logical progression for the show to take. Yet, with powerful Cas back, death and serious injury is off the table, and we know the brothers will remain together. With those two major suspense themes gone, I suppose reassessing their feelings about each other and their viewpoints about hunting is what's left on the table.
Why do I think I'm talking about Being Human and not SPN?
I'm smelling a twist in Sam's story coming in this episode and heartache for him too. The whole 'better brother' thing and Sam not looking are bound to be thrown in his face again at some point.
Benny is a new addition to Dean's circle I dont really see him questioning him or his own judgement Sam on the other hand is under no such obligation , he doesnt know Benny . I fully know Sam has been and will be accused of alot of things where Benny is concerned the writers set it up in a way that will be easy to do that but he wouldnt win irrespective of what he did but I do expect Benny to be innocent and Sam to of been wrong for ever doubting the vampire .
The one thing I do agree with you is Sam but not for the reasons you have but simply because Dean has two other brothers that can now fulfil Sam's brother role ones he doesnt hold resentment's against and I want Sam to find something genuine in his life
Then on Sam, Dean, Martin scenario, I think Martin contacted Garth, got Sam's number after finding out that Dean was MIA and that is why he called Sam instead of Dean.
These eps sure do get the brainwaves bouncing all over the place.
As far as Martin goes, I'm glad to see him back but I agree with the others... I don't think his elevator goes all the way to the top floor yet. He's out of practice, and probably like most hunters, has never met a vampire who didn't kill humans. He might just be a shoot first ask questions later kinda guy and if so Benny might not stand a chance.
Best case scenario, every one walks away except the bad vampire (who isn't Benny) and we all live happily after.
Awww who am I kidding...Its Supernatural, there is never a happy ending.
But yes. Jam them in a room and make them fight...like men in tights
If Dean has to make a hard decision, it sounds like Sam is going to make him choose. I hope not.
I don't like guessing. I'm not very good at it where this show is concerned. I can give you plot & dialog on most others;but never this show. Probably one of the many, MANY, reasons it's been my favorite for all these years.
Please, let there be pictures!
I could live with that.
Besides, when you get to see one of the Winchesters tied up.... Makes for good TV. Right?
I don't want Benny to die either, man. But someone has to. :\ It's Supernatural. I would be surprised otherwise. Haha
And yeah I agree. Bobby was a major character. I do think they did him some justice, though, the way they took him out. It was really good and emotional with the episode Death's Door and then when he returned as a spirit. It was an epic send off and they would have to do something really spectacular to bring him back because I was at terms with it all because it was such a good ending for him. Though he would help with these two greatly at this point in time.
When Martin decides to take things into his own hands, things get messy and Dean is forced to make a very hard decision.
I think Dean might have to kill Martin, or he'll have to do something. What if he has to risk his life for Benny's? That would be one heck of a cliff hanger, leaving Dean to die or injured (obviously our Dean can't die for good, we still need him!).
And I definitely don't think Benny is the culprit of the attacks. When, in Supernatural history, has the MOTW been the first person they suspect? Not often. Plus, Benny is supposed to be a major character, I don't see the writers tossing him out like a pile of old clothing.
I am going to reserve my judgement for Sam until the final episode of the season. At least then I will have all the dteails of his past year and why he is the way he is this season.
I am with you on the "not want" list. None of those are acceptable endings but it's a given that we are not going to like the cliff hanger.
I had forgotten about the Alpha. I still think Benny is the one trying to stop another vamp from the killing and Martin in his crazy mixed up mind, just saw it totally wrong. One can hope, I sure don't want our new vamp to go away.
I think we will see more angst between the boys and hopefully they will unload a bunch more of that baggage they both keep carrying around with them.
Only 24 hours to go and we'll be getting our answers. Man time travel sure would be handy right about now.
Glad you decided to join in!
I seriously hope we get SOME answers tonight... just enough to have us salivating for more the entire hellatus!
(or would that more accurately be drooling? Yay for objectifying thread! I might just survive the break! )
SOOOO many problems with that scenario, but it's the only way I can think of a happy ending. I don't want Benny dead. He can turn out to be evil, but I don't want him dead. I could give two shakes of rat's behind about Martin, but think it would be poor storyline to kill him off.
Regarding the brothers - this isn't about right or wrong. Sam has a right to distrust Benny and to feel the way he does about his and Dean's relationship. Dean has an equal right to trust Benny after what he's been through. I think it's just a matter of finding out the truth about Benny and undoubtably bringing other issues to the surface.
I can't wait for tonight!
And there is no need for it to go that way this time! Drama! Want that instead!
Dean has very very green eyes. Sam is so puppydog cute.
It'll be about 13 hours until I get to see it. Stupid work getting in the way of the angst and pain!
I feel sick to my stomach....is this normal behaviour for a grown woman? To feel sick to the stomach about the possible outcome of an episode of a TV show?
I'm praying to Chuck that my boy doesn't do what I think he's going to do and make that choice I so don't want him to make.
I have a bad feeling about this.
Though maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised....HA HAHAHAHA! See now I'm just getting hysterical!
Stay strong people...stay strong and remember we love them both, even when they rip out our hearts out and stomp all over them!
*curls up and chants: it's just a show, it's just a show, it's just a show*
I'm so sorry, sweetondean! Your boss needs to get his/her priorities straight. SPN comes first. Always.
Quote:NONONONO.... Don't want that! LOL.
Drama! Pain! Tears!
Oh Chuck, I'm sick. (This MUST be normal behaviour, right? We can't ALL be insane. Or can we? )
Quote:*whispering* Can we please all agree that they're both wonderful and heroic and need each other and equally important to the show and they'll get back there eventually (right, Carver), even if one of them walks (don't do it!)....* insert powerful Sam-puppy-eyes look here * - and then we can have a nice long dip in the shallow pool to survive until January?
Pretty please with ice cream and chocolate on it? Ah he-l. Please with loads and loads of booze if that's what it takes!
Gosh, I hope I'll be able to sleep...
Going to wake up to Spn Thursday :)
Benny was not the vampire killing people. Sam and Martin aren't convinced so they go after Benny. Dean warns Benny. Sam gets an "I need you come quick" message from Amelia. Benny and Dean kill the killer vampire. Martin stalks Benny's granddaughter so he can kill Benny. Benny kills Martin and runs. Sam sees Amelia with happy with her husband. He realizes that DEAN faked Amelia's call and sent him on a wild goose chase to save Benny. Dean implies that Benny is dead and that Martin was a casualty that deserved to die. It looks like Dean is going to let Benny go free. Sam is devastated. Oh, and early on Dean told Sam once again that Benny never let him down, with the implied not like SOME people named Sam.
Can you believe Sam was thrown under the bus for this?!?!?!? His character was destroyed and written OOC for this?!?!?! I'm honestly confused.
The writers began by trashing Sam by having him not looking for Dean. I kept waiting for an explanation of what happened, but instead we got Sam the coward who ran. Now we have Sam the stupid who chose the wrong person to watch Benny, Sam the gullible who Dean can fool easily AND be perfectly right to disrespect because Sam is worthless according to the writers.
I've had a glass or two of wine and I'm not being reasonable, but I am devastated. The brotherhood is officially dead and Sam has been declared unworthy. Benny can go be Dean's better brother. The show has no use for Sam.
Sorry, I am wrecked right now. Maybe later I will calm down, but NINE episodes with no sympathy or POV for Sam is really painful.
I wish I could ask Carver why Sam was thrown under a bus for this utterly pointless arc. Why was his character ruined for this arc?
Not only does Dean basically have no faith or trust in Sam, but they also had Sam acting like a jerk in this episode. Did he really need to leave Martin stranded in the middle of nowhere w/no transportation? That really rubbed me in the wrong way. It was a real "jerk" move. Who does that? That bothered me.
I was happy Martin didn't kill Benny though b/c I wasn't looking forward to Dean blaming Sam for his "brother" dying.
Sure, what Dean did was cruel and hurtful, but we were explicitly told that Sam has LET DEAN DOWN and Benny never has, except when Sam forced the situation so Sam deserves every bit of pain that Dean gave him. Hey how can Sam possibly be allowed to think he has any right to think, want or need anything that Dean doesn't.
Yes, I'm furious and not rational, but this was so much worse than I ever imagined. And yes, I'm sure Sam will end up apologizing to Dean for FORCING Dean to trick him about Amelia.
That was completely unnecessary. They could have returned to the motel or went to a restuarant when Sam got Amelia's message, and then Sam could have left. I just thought it was a really jerky thing to have Sam do, but I'm not sure Carver cares too much how "jerky" Sam comes off this year.
Sam asked Martin to trail Benny. Sam tells Dean. They both go to Martin for the intel. Martin tells them how he followed Benny (who goes by Roy) the night before and fell across a dead body. Dean asks for time to go and talk to Benny. He talks to Benny and learns that some other vamp is trying to create a nest, and since Benny refused to join him, he left two dead bodies around so Benny would have to leave town I guess. Benny didn't want to leave town b/c his great grand-daughter was there. I'm positive it was the same actress who drowned her daughter in that episode w/Lisa & Ben in the 3rd season.
Meanwhile, Sam has (pointless) FBs about Amelia. Basically, Sam and Amelia decided to give their relationship a chance. Don saw Sam at the bar and talked to him man-to-man. Sam decided to leave Amelia the next day. It was not the same scene as in the first episode.
Dean tells Sam and Benny about Desmond, the other vamp, but they refuse to believe him. Martin knocks Dean out. They handcuff Dean and go after Benny. Benny had already moved on b/c Dean called and warned him. Sam got a text message from Amelia asking for help so like the JERK he has been portrayed as this year, he took off and left Martin in the woods.
Dean and Benny kill the vamp. Dean tells Benny to go deep underground b/c other hunters will be looking for him. Dean leaves. He calls Martin who is walking the streets and warns Martin against going after Benny. Martin acts real cool b/c he's headed to the great grand-daughter. He gets there. He calls Benny. Benny comes back. Martin is holding a knife to the GGD's neck. He cuts it b/c he wants Benny to vamp out in front of her. He tells her that Benny is her GGF. Benny asks Martin want he wants. Martin says Benny's head. Benny put his head on a plate. Scene cuts.
The GGD calls Dean. Dean comes and sees that Benny killed Martin. Sam goes to Amelia's and sees her on the couch w/her husband watching tv and enjoying themselves. He leaves. He goes to a bar, checks his phone, and then calls a number. It's Dean who picks up. Dean sent Sam a fake Amelia message. Sam asks how things went and if there were casualities. Dean says Martin. Sam is upset and says, "Not Benny?" Dean says Martin had it coming and that if Sam will listen to him, he'll explain everything. Sam hangs up. Pays. Turns around and sees Amelia. She's like, "I knew that was you."
If it was anyone's fault. It's Deans.
But WHY must it always be down to someone at fault? They both had their motives, and neither is an angel here. (Even the angel in this show gets to screw up!)
This time we'll have to agree to disagree.
I did NOT see it that way at all.
I agree with everything you said, st50. Sam was right to leave Martin (whom he believed to be a competent hunter) because he thought Amelia - an innocent - was in danger. Dean KNEW he would do this. But nobody's hands are clean in any of this, each decision has its consequences, and each effect has it's cause.
Didn't someone even say that this episode - something like, "we all make our own choices?" Maybe I'm thinking of something else.
Guess I'm right, only the detail is different.
I AM JEALOUS!!! What's so important about Amelia compared to Dean? The writers definitely don't care of the brother bond anymore.
Now that Sam meet Amelia again, I don't really care if he has a triangle relationship with her. The writers certainly loves this harlequin drama.
Dean certainly paired better with the gold hearted vamp Benny. They'll just as soon drive along in the Impala and starting Supernatural spin off Vamp style.
That is quite possibly the most morbid, negatively-skew ed, abusive opinion of Sam I've ever read.
You guys talk about the show discrediting Sam's character, but more than anything THIS kind of stuff reads to me as an assassination of Sam's character.
More than that, I find it reprehensible to suggest that the show would write something with such a viewpoint. You are putting motives and intentions on the writers of this show that are not validated by reasonable evidence, just because you don't like the story they are telling or the way they are telling it.
Finally, the language you use to vent your frustrations is extremely inflammatory, sarcastic, and negative. Suggesting that Dean is totally innocent and good and Sam is "a worthless piece of crap" is inherently divisive, distorted....an d entirely false.
It is just my opinion, and you are entitled to yours, but I find this to be very disturbing and disheartening. And this is the last I am going to comment on the issue.
Plus, Sam basically lured him into this hunt, left him, and got him killed. It was just more character assassination for our Sammy.
Amelia's text sounded panicked, and asked Sam to come fast.
I don't think he thought for a second that the hardship of Martin walking a few miles back in to town held a candle to the danger Amelia must've been in to text an EX boyfriend like that.
I think you are really looking for ways to twist this into Sam is being assassinated.
And I'm done commenting.
I simply have a difference of opinion than you. You think it was fine for Sam to leave w/o a word. I don't. That's all. I don't care that it was a panicked text . It was still a JERK move, IMO.
"Martin. An emergency came up. I have to go" would have been the very LEAST Sam could have done. Just hopping in the car and leaving w/o a word is beyond RUDE.
Best Episode of the Season!
He allowed Dean some time to talk to Benny. He didn't have any proof that Benny should be trusted, but he let Dean have his way.
Dean was in the wrong for playing with Sam's emotions about Amelia, when he doesn't even know that much about it - just how did they break up? What state was that relationship in? What pain did he cause Sam just to remove him from the situation?
Of course Sam has been in the wrong before, but this time, it's Dean.
Sam said he had Martin on a short leash, but with Dean sending him off to "save Amelia", that left Martin on his own, and ended up resulting in Benny vamping out and Martin getting killed.
I do not see it as Sam being thrown under a bus this time!
(And Sam did not turn into a home-wrecker, as some of you feared - he left, telling Amelia to work it out with Don... now Dean may have some of the blame for messing up that situation, since he sent Sam back to where they ran into each other again).
Sorry, but Sam and Dean have both been placed in the wrong many times. I don't think it is all one brother or the other. There are a lot of shades of grey.
I would even include setting Martin on to watch Benny - from Sam's point of view that is safer than having him go after someone they don't know for sure is a supernatural being.
Dean cruelly and with Malice aforethought sends Sam on a wild goose chase to discover that Amelia never really loved him, so what, Sam betrayed Dean so he deserves every single painful moment. AND Dean gets to tell Sam that he is a failure as a brother and a person and that Benny has never, ever betrayed him unlike Sam the unworthy.
I get it. In Kripke's 5 year plan, Sam was supposed to be the big evil that Dean would have to kill. He was then supposed to realize that Sam was evil from before he was born and go skipping off into the sunset realizing that he had wasted his life loving an diseased creature that deserved no love, no compassion and was totally and completely unsalvageable. Carver has decided to return to the theme. Sam is evil, Dean is good. Sam should never ever be loved by anyone.
I GET IT and it destroys the show I loved.
I have just seen nine episodes of the suffering of Dean where Sam has been called unworthy, less than Benny and there is no counterbalance. The show wants me to hate Sam. Heck they are practically hitting me over the head with just how awful Sam is and that Dean is a saint to even want to associate with him.
So, you are right, no objectivity here. Sorry, I'll try to stay out of the conversations. I am truly glad that so many others are enjoying this and think it is a great storyline. I'm not.
Was Sam driving the Impala? Doesn't matter, Dean will always be a brat about his car, that will never change!
I could say you ignore the bad writing and poor character development so you can always find something positive in the show, but I won't say that. I don't know you or why you feel the way you do about the show.
Some of us are just giving our opinions. Do people really think we're looking for reasons to dislike a show we used to love? Or that we're looking for reasons to not understand Sam, a character we love?
All I'm saying is if I'm not liking the writing, that doesn't mean I'm twisting anything or looking for reasons to object. It just means I don't like the writing. That's all.
I was SO blown away, literally captivated the entire time. The buildup to the final scenes and the significantly shocking twists and turns at the end had a true emotional payoff. I loved every second.
The only part that didn't ring true was when Sam made the throwaway comment saying "I might be going to hell for this" when referring to him wanting to stay with Amelia. He's BEEN to hell. The deepest parts. So...why would he say that? LOL...the rest of the episode more than made up for that minor dialogue slip, though.
The trust between our guys right now is so brittle and thin...I can't wait to watch the coming episodes to see how they work on repairing the relationship. I wonder...will it get worse before it gets better? Time will only tell. :)
Sam was tossed under the bus as usual. Remember when Sam asked Dean to trust him about Lenore. Dean was hesitant but he eventually did trust Sam about her.
This "Sam hates Benny" arc doesn't even make sense. Sam has ZERO reason to doubt Benny. They never put tails on Lenore and her nest of vamps so why does Benny need a tail? This Benny obsession makes Sam seem very petty and jealous. Maybe if the writers bothered to EXPLAIN Sam's POV, I wouldn't be so confused about his issues w/Benny. If he's upset b/c Dean trusts Benny more than he trusts Sam, then that's an issue he has w/DEAN, not Benny. The show threw out a line about how things go wrong tonight, but it was just one line. What about giving Sam some speech where he discusses how he was always wrong to trust monsters, etc. Write for him! It's simple.
Quote:He has said these things. In the episode where he learns about Benny he mentions Amy, in the episode before last he admitted to making mistakes, and in this episode he told Dean, "you know how these things end for us." The writing's on the wall. And the Amelia FB's do wonders to explain Sam's POV in the present, especially in this episode. The interactions Sam has parallel the interactions he's having with Dean now, and why he's acting the way he is.
Martin got Martin killed. He was warned about Benny multiple times. What does he do? He risks the life of and terrorizes an innocent woman to provoke Benny. He asked for it.
All I'm saying is IF Sam's opinion of monsters has changed, then Show needs to give him some dialogue explaining this change and not just throwaway lines. That's all. What about a little speech on Sammy's evolved thnking re: monsters? That should have occurred back in the Benny intro episode. Having Sam bring up Amy was just to point out Dean's hypocricy; it had nothing to do w/Amy killing again later in life.
Back to Benny though - Why does Sam suddenly distrust Dean? I thought Sam trusted Dean. We know Dean has NO trust in Sam (thanks Carver), but Sam (I thought) still trusted his big brother. Well Dean trusts Benny. Benny helped Dean survive Purgatory while Sam was having picnics. Benny isn't even inserting himself in their lives like Ruby was, so the situations aren't comparable. Plus, it's not like Sam has never heard for vegetarian vamps before. He has. Vamps and demons are very different in my mind. Unlike demons, I believe a vampire could control its thirst for human blood.
If Dean trusts in Benny, then why shouldn't Sam? Why does Sam even care about Benny? The guy isn't even hanging around them. Why does Sam send poor, fragile Martin to trail Benny? Oh . . . I know . . . to create contrived, manufactured drama and tension btw the boys. For me, there IS no other reason for Sam's Benny issues. None of it rings true to me.
In my mind, Sam most certainly did get Martin killed. Sam knew Martin was fragile, and if he wasn't aware, that should have been made clear when Martin mentioned the electroshock therapy. He lures this unstable, fragile guy onto a hunt and then ditches him to chase after his obnoxious ex, and the guy ends up dead. If Sam had never sent Martin on Benny's trail, then Martin wouldn't have died. That's just my take on it.
In any event, Martin was in no shape to be hunting, and Sam knew that. That's my main point.
I will admit to not playing close attn though, which is why I said I can't comment on it any further.
This whole things only looks like Sam's jealousy in the fact that Benny has a clutch on Dean's heart has reared its ugly head that resulting in him to act callous and careless. Benny jeopardize Sam's permanent place in Dean's heart that he used to reserve only for him.
This is little brother's jealousy. And his jealousy has made him do wrong move resulting in other people's life.
Sam believed it was Benny. Dean wasn't offering to take Sam to find this other vampire or providing any proof that it existed. I think saying Sam was going to kill an innocent being because he was jealous is pretty harsh and if you say that he was going to kill Benny because he was jealous, that is what you are saying. That Sam believed Benny was telling the truth and ignored it because he's jealous.
Quote:But Sam has done everything he could to get Dean someone else to love. He sent him to Lisa. He didn't have a problem with Cassie or with Anna. When he got his soul back he encouraged Dean to try again with Lisa because he didn't know why it didn't work. The one thing the whole Amelia FB showed is that Sam doesn't act from jealousy. He let Amelia go and encouraged her to find a way to save her husband.
Yes, it hurt like hell to have Dean say what he did, but Sam didn't clock Dean and then he got swept up in Martin's beliefs, but I don't think it was jealousy, I think it was believing that Dean was taking Benny too much on faith, just like Dean thought Sam was taking Amy too much on faith.
I think the werewolf girl was different because both brothers saw exactly who she was and what happened to her - but if she kills again, they'll be on her trail. Just like Sam knew who Amy was and had that faith in her. Now Dean turns around and has this Amy-like situation, and yeah, Sam's got a right to feel a little resentful that Dean is going back on his own firmly held principles now that roles are reversed. Plus, like he said, he doesn't know Benny. And he can't just take Dean's word for it when Dean has a long and colorful history of lying to him.
I think Sam views Benny as having some sort of hold on his brother that's going to come back and haunt them. Just like Ruby had a hold on Sam. I agree monsters and demons are different - but on this show, neither kind tends to live that long or remain virtuous.
We'll have to disagree on the Martin issue. I just find it interesting that Sam is getting all the flack for this "chain of events" despite the fact that both brothers had a role in setting certain things in motion, and there was a whole lot of things neither of them counted on happening.
In the end it was Martin, the seasoned hunter who risked his own life going after Benny and an unfortunate set of circumstances that got him killed. I doubt hunters go into a hunt not knowing th risks, Martin is no exception.
I'm not sure what Carver is trying to say w/this story.
Remember what we discussed about before season 8 started? About the pattern regarding Dean and monster?
I think you're right. They writer choose to make Dean's always right pattern prevail against the monster's always kill pattern.
The writers has broken the pattern in which monster always kills.
So, in their mind. Once drinking Azazel's blood, Sam is prone to make wrong decision and prone to have mental instability and has a tendency for instant panic and unreasonable anxiety. Since he is the true vessel of Lucifer so he everything that Sam do will cause damage.
Since Dean is the righteous man and Michael's vessel so he will be right no matter how absurd and breaking pattern his action will be.
It's useless to argue with the writers in this matter because they insist to write it this way. Sam'll always be portrayed to be the one who make a mess out of everything because he's Lucifer's vessel. He can't help it.
We should be sorry for him, poor baby Sammy, so lost without big brother.
I think I know what this about. Sam has no one that needs him, right? Dean's okay, Benny's okay, Amelia's okay. So, what's Sam purpose in the supernatural universe?
NOTHING. NOT NEEDED BY ANYONE. Even his big brother has found a better brother than him.
My God! The devastation that he'd caused. If Sam just trust Dean about Benny, Martin wouldn't have died. If Sam just look for Dean, Amelia would have spend her life with Don peacefully. No need for her to be meeting Sam only for temporary.
This looks like Sam's pathetic attempt to insert his life in other people's life. To find his meaning to exist in life. He's trying to find fault in Benny just so he can be of someone who's done something. Sp, that he can be of someone who has done an important thing and be a help to Dean.
Mark my word, next we'll get Sam who is suicidal because he finds no importance of his character to exist in supernatural world. He'll cry salty tears crying ."No body needs me anymore, I'm useless ..." Then he'll jumped off a cliff ala Brick from Heartache
The theme of this season is When The World Doesn't Need Sam. The writer's wrong choice in making Sam not looking for Dean resulting in this messy plotline. This looks like them hitting Sam in the head with an anvil for his wrong choice for not looking for his brother in the first place. If you just spent your year looking for your brother this whole mess wouldn't happen Sam. Now, look at the trouble that you've caused.
No, I really like your idea/theory. It would be interesting to see that expanded upon.
Dean told Benny not to underestimate Sam as a hunter.
Dean told Sam he would likely be killed by Benny if he went after him.
I really think Dean was afraid one would kill the other, and he didn't want EITHER of them hurt. Removing Sam from the fight was the easiest way to defuse the situation.
It's choosing the most expedient way out of the conflict.
LOTS of brother hugs. Yup.
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but if I were Sam, I would feel like Martin's death was on my head. I brought an unstable individual into a hunt, ditched him, and then he ended up dying. I would feel immense guilt b/c of that. All Martin was doing is what hunters do: hunt. People are acting like he was doing something awful. I don't know. Sue me . . . I feel bad for the guy.
Dean sent Sam tearing off to Texas and then didn't really manage the situation.
The only 'bad' thing that happened in the episode (other than the deterioration of Sam & Dean's relationship) was Martin getting killed. Sure, Sam brought Martin in, but he didn't seek him out. Martin came looking for a job. Martin is responsible for getting himself back into hunting -- if it wasn't a job Sam found him it would have been something else. And Martin is certainly responsible for the bonehead actions that got him killed.
I hate the Amelia story line as much as the next person, but I just can't see this as Sam being thrown under the bus.
What did Dean do? He talked it out to Sam and just after Sam assured him to go then Dean went to see Lisa.
What Sam did this time?
From these two people responses what conclusion can you take? The writers insist that Sam would react this way, different to when they write about Dean's reaction under the same circumtances.
My conclusion is, Dean is written loyal to his brother, Sam is written all over the place, He's always the one who is written to run away.... no matter the reason. Just accept it because it's cannon.
I'm being told I'm twisting things or looking for reasons to complain . . . uh . . . it's possible I just thought it was a rude thing to have Sam do. That's all.
I thought all of them did a fantastic job, the script and atmospherics were great, Amelia finally got to behave like a real person and to me it was just entertaining from start to finish
Sorry, I know I am outnumbered, but that's my take on it.
Jared is very happy with it too if his tweet is anything to go by....
I don't want the brothers back together. I'm tired of seeing Sam literally and figuratively demonized just so Dean can be right and feel rejected and abandoned.
Quote:Just agreeing with you that Sam and Martin were nowhere near Benny at the time Sam ditched him so the danger level was pretty low at that point. Martin managed to put himeslf into danger just fine all on his own. This got me thinking though about the whole 'Dean sent the text to Sam to protect him' argument. I am not sure I agree with that, but I am willing to consider it, which brings up the issue of Sam and Martin locking Dean up at the motel, and how Sam could have been doing that for Dean's own good (at least in his own mind) as well. I think that Sam feels Dean's thinking has been compromised by purgatory and that he went along with Martin to try and keep Dean safe and away from Benny. I am not sure I am buying my own argument here, but I am willing to give each brother the benefit of the doubt.
Maybe what the guys were trying to do was say to themselves what would I do if this were NOT my brother, just another hunter in this situation. My brother doesn't want what I want any more, we need to just be professional. How do I behave?
So they both did things that were out of character for their relationship but very logical for a hunter. 'If I don't want this person hurt / killed how do I keep him out of the way?'
This is a sad state of affairs though - I don't like it one bit! I may have to go watch Fresh Blood to cheer myself up THAT had brotherly moments in it!
I see this as the issue that has to be cleared up after the hellatus! Soon!
Personally, I don't think Benny killed him -- I think Elizabeth did while trying to save Benny. I think Benny ran because of all the blood leaving a dazed Elizabeth to call Dean.
At worst, Sam inconvenienced Martin by leaving him stranded. Sam gave Martin a hand -- a simple job to an old hunter friend -- Martin didn't follow Sam's instructions or listen to Dean and both Sam & Dean underestimated Martin. And Martin's level of crazy.
The Winchesters are not to blame for Martin's death. Martin got himself killed.
On a side note, that whole scene reminded me a lot of the Jo and Sam/Meg scene. Not sure what that might mean. Just sayin'...
As someone else pointed out, I am not being objective about this, so I'll leave it at that.
The funny thing I noticed this season is that when Sam does something wrong fans say the writers have made him look bad. But if Dean does something wrong then he is a jerk. If Dean sends a manipulative text to Sam then he is a cold, mean jerk etc but when Sam ditches Martin its the writers fault for throwing Sam under the bus. Its annoying. IMO both brothers have been shown to be right and both shown to be wrong. Some of the comments on this site border on Dean hate. I'm feeling less and less inclined to comment becos of the brother vs brother thing. But I do realise its a small section of fans who do that. Hope Alice's new thread can streamline that.
For eg. whole of season 4 Sam's actions were just brushed aside and made into Dean's fault in Season 5 Fallen Idols. Dean was OOC in that and had to apologize to Sam. Again in The End Dean apologizes to Sam for something that is not his fault. The Amy thing is the only episode where Sam apologizes to Dean. So am not sure where some fans are getting this theory that Sam is always shown as wrong and apologizing to Dean. I often see it the other way. I guess mileage varies. But am with u on the hate part. I dont like Sam or Dean hate.
Thanks for the correct spelling of rebuttal!! I knew it didn't look right :)
I must comment because I think it's the first time I've ever disagreed with you in recent history, lol. I'm the opposite - I think Sam hides his hurts and insecurities way better than Dean does - though I'd also add the caveat that this was a role reversal from how they were in S1-3. I also think part of why some are harder on Dean is because he's the older brother, and by birthright has a role with more responsibility. At least that's my take. :)
Also - I didn't meant that Dean is responsible "for" Sam by birthright, (certainly not, considering that they are adults) I merely meant that being older tends to come with certain responsibilitie s that are inherent. (Not in every case - I'm both generalizing and speaking from personal experience).
AGAIN, I must remind everyone to keep the heavy rants about Sam and Dean off the episode discussion threads. I'm getting very, very tired of reading general "the writers are trashing X character and Y character" on basic episode discussion threads. I'm moving parts of this discussion (not you E) to a "Let's Discuss" thread.
Sam was wonderfully stable when the show needed him to be (s 07)and they showed it. now i want to be shown when he was unstable and the tragedy for me is there is a maybe chance they will show it.
I don't know whether you will understand what i am saying is I wanted a scene of how Sam reacted after Dean vanished and it is already late i hope they show it before it is too late.
I wouldn't say I know for certain, because there could always be a curveball down the road. But I feel fairly confident in my understanding of what they are trying to depict.
I think I do understand what you are saying. You want a scene like we saw in S4's "I know what you did last summer" where we clearly saw Sam's grief and mental/emotiona l meltdown after Dean went to hell. Not exactly like that - but something that's maybe more clear to you, that spells it out. I don't think you are wrong for wanting something like that.
I think Sam's reaction is different this time than what it has been in the past, precisely because of all he's been through. I also think it's a different method of storytelling - not to mention an entirely different story. And still we don't have all the details. You may well get that scene you're looking for. Or...the storytelling and explanation may be more subtle. I prefer the latter actually. I like the depth and the enigma. One of my favorite things about SPN has always been how we often learn about what's going on with the brothers by the parallel stories of the people they meet on the hunt. I think a lot of that is going on this season, too. I feel like a lot of the explanation for Sam's actions in present time is found in the parallels of the flashbacks. And Sam himself has said a lot. But again, I understand if you don't like that particular style.
I guess maybe the difference between is that I am okay with this uncertainty. A good story IMO is one that entertains me, keeps me guessing, is coherent, seems to have momentum and purposeful writing, and contains depth of storyline as well as character development. I think S8 thus far has demonstrated all of these, and that's entirely apart from how I feel about Sam and Dean's storyline, if that makes sense. If there was no uncertainty or mystery, it wouldn't be interesting, there'd be no momentum. At the same time, when the writing lacks purpose and the storyline lacks direction, it is painfully obvious, as it was in S7. And I would say that S8 is distinctly different from S7.
From my perspective, I don't think one was more "broken" than the other - I think that Sam is more introverted and prone to hold in his hurts - hence the hand-rubbing; whereas Dean is more extroverted and vocal - hence the constant fatalistic and nihilistic comments. And drinking has always been more Dean's forte than Sam's.
I also think a person can "cope", as the boys do very, very well - but that's all it is. It doesn't change what each brother was struggling with, or the magnitude of it.
Re: "The Born Again Identity" episode - no one loathed that episode more than I did - we are totally on the same page there.
I love the character, I think that it is complex, and deeply moving, I think he did (almost) all the right things in last nights episode. But Dean also did what he thought was right. It blew up in their faces. It happens. Watch Jus in Bello.
Speaking for myself I adore Sam he has been my connection to the show from day 1 I have always thought he is the most tragic character of the show. But I have had issues with how he has been written and at least how his story has been presented and how other characters including Dean are written in their interaction with him .I wont deny the better brother stuff makes me cringe.
I can only speak for myself, of course, but I think the problem is not that some have a more negative opinion of this season. Not in the least. But this is a place for discussion. And I do think that the way in which some choose to express their criticism can be so visceral, sarcastic, angry, and unbalanced that it precludes meaningful discussion. I think that is the problem.
At the end of the day, everyone is entitled to think and feel whatever they want. My unhappiness w/Sam's current story doesn't make me any less of a Sam fan than someone who loves his current story. We just have different opinions and perspectives.
The "better brother" stuff would have enraged me a few years ago, but the brotherhood is so dead in my mind that it didn't even phase me. Dean clearly doesn't trust Sam or have any faith in him so it's not surprising Benny is a better brother in his eyes.
I understand that the majority of people who post here love every single thing about the show. That's fine. I understand critical comments are few and far between. That's fine as well. All I can say is as someone w/a critical opinion, I do feel like I'm being asked to justify my opinion. Again, that may not be the intent, but that is how it feels.
If anyone (and I am happy to include myself here) looks back on their last few posts and realizes they have posted the same negative thing more than, say, 5 times perhaps that is what people are complaining about and not that you don't have a right to your own opinion (there may be too many negatives in that sentence). You have a right to your opinion. I may not agree with it, and I may say so, but I don't deny you the right to it.
And I honestly have no interest in hating Sam. I'm not looking for reasons to dislike the show. I don't understand why some think we want to hate the show. I am disappointed in the writing for Sam. I don't feel the writing is adequately explaining Sam or his POV. I don't know or understand this new Carver-inspired Sam. For instance, instead of having Sam talk to Dean about how he no longer thinks monsters can be trusted or how he's learned to not give any monster the benefit of the doubt, we have Sam very jealously stating, "Well, I might be the one to off Benny" like a child. That statement came out of nowhere and had nothing to do w/their original disagreement. Why is Sam even trailing Benny? I don't know why Sam cares about Benny? None of it makes sense to me, and I refuse to twist myself in knots trying to come up w/an explanation. The writers should do a better job of explaining the character's motivations and feelings. It's really quite simple.
And my issue isn't w/"Sam;" it's w/the writers and Carver, in particular. Carver is the one who has twisted Sam into someone unrecognizable to me. Who knows why!
You-all have a right to post your comments in any way you see fit of course, and for the most part, I enjoy reading them even if I don't always agree with them entirely. I hope that you will find something in the show and in Sam's portrayal that is satisfying after the hellatus comes to an end. And about other boards? I don't care. I don't participate on other sites, just this one. I am sorry if you go to other sites and are inundated with mountains of Sam hate that knows no bounds, that must not be any fun at all. That is not the case here though.
Because I've done a lot of commenting on this topic, I just want to clarify that my desire is not for unhappy commentators to be or feel shut out of any conversation - but I do wholeheartedly think that the MANNER in which such criticisms have been expressed recently has not been constructive.
This is a place where I, and I assume most everyone else, come to have meaningful, interactive discussion with those who think similarly as well as differently about the show we love (and sometimes hate). In fact, lala2, I'd venture to say that we've had some good discussions in the past (at least that's been my perception) despite the fact that we rarely agree. :) But bitter ranting is not conducive to meaningful discussion or interaction. That's what I and others have been speaking against. It's something that I know is rampant on other sites, and that's why I'm here and not there.
Last year we have Bobby's death, last two years we have Sam re-souled. This time, although the episode is quite heavy it's not cliffhanger material in my opinion.
Ugh.... like... shit, that looks bad... as in... really bad.. as in... OMG, what are they doing?
Dentist from hell?
Crowley, stop toturing that baby Angel!
Sam back in AMELIAS old Motel room?
Perhaps I didn't get the scene right but Crowley's torture scene is taken from S6 scene? Because the room is the same, I think. So, Crowley hole up in the same place after all this time? You'd think he'd be creative, or the set decor would be creative.
I realize that I still don't know anything about this whole plot but one thing that I already underlined as suspects are :
1. Benny (Too suspicious. In Supernatural history when there was a good monster, they live them on their own. Not bringing them over and over again and tying them into the storyline. The fact that Benny keeps popping up like a dirty secret is suspicious. They always turn bad, you know. Even Cas turns bad because of too much Winchester exposure) I hope Benny turn bad because I wanna see what Dean would do when faced with bad choice of his own. I mean fair is fair.
2. Samandriel (His first appearance is too suspicious too. His question about Cas, and he is likely a pawn. The Angels could have use him as bait or distraction to keep Crowley's attention busy. Crowley's remark that he 'barely scratches the surface' with the angel is also suspicious).
3. Sam (His too perfect timing to go to the cabin when Dean was there is suspicious. Why didn't he came a week later? three days sooner? His odd and awkward reaction to the whole brotherly reunion? Suspicious. Oh and Sam had a left eye several times. Usually that's a sign of someone who's lying or hiding something)
Was the number 118 seen in a scene where Sam steppen into Amelias room or vice versa?
Now you got me confused.
And remember: someone set Benny onto Dean in Purgatory! We still donÂ´t know, who "they"
Sheesh, my English is suffering. Time for the weekend
Castiel took the amulet in the beginning of season 5 in his search for God as it turned out, the amulet burned hot in the presence of God.
After Sam and Dean went to Heaven in "Darkside of the Moon" Cass returned the amulet to Dean because they discovered God was not interested in helping with stopping the Apocalypse and Castiel was broken and disheartened, losing faith in his Father.
Whislt in Heaven, Dean saw a couple of Sam's favourite memories...whic h were happy for Sam but not for Dean.
So when Cass gave the amulet back to Dean....he tossed it in the bin.....
It was heartbreaking for Sam and Dean fans alike.
I think most fans assume that Sam retrieved it from the bin...maybe it's stashed somewhere safe...
Hope that helps.
Intially Jensen said he was glad to see the back of the amulet as it chipped his teeth during fight scenes!
But recently, he said, he'd be open to its return...so...w ho knows.
Things has not been the same ever since it's gone.