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“Unforgiven” – 6/13
Robin’s Rambles by Robin Vogel

Robin’s Rambles by Robin Vogel

Bristol, RI - one year ago - As Samuel watches, Sam shoots bullets into four SOMETHINGS we don't see, then they quickly leave what looks like a small cabin. "Are you OK?" Samuel asks--"how's the arm?" "It'll hold till we get out of town," says Sam as they both rapidly walk away. "Just don't bleed out, all right?" says Samuel. "Yeah," chuckles Sam, and we get a look at the bloody mess of his arm. They drive off in Samuel's black van, but are tailed by the deputy, who pulls them over and orders the two "agents" to get out of the van. He's seriously agitated, complaining, "I can't get Sheriff Dobbs on the phone--I can't get anyone!" "We spoke to Dobbs earlier," says Samuel, "maybe he's just uh. . ." "Is that BLOOD?" demands the deputy. Sam looks at his shoulder without expression. "Look, there's no need to get riled," begins Samuel. "You're comin' with me," insists the deputy. Samuel agrees to follow him back, but the deputy orders, "Get in my car, or you're under arrest." "You're going to arrest two Federal agents," says Sam, laughing, "really--have a good night." "If you think," says the deputy. "Hey hey hey hey hey," says Samuel, but Sam is lit--he pretends to turn away, then hauls off and belts the deputy in the face, then proceeds to beat the crap out of the guy, leaving him bleeding and unconscious on the road. "You think there may be calmer ways we could have done all that?" asks Samuel. "Do we care?" asks Sam--"let's go." We understand why Samuel later tells us that he finds his younger grandson scary. They take off, only Samuel sparing a final glance at the unconscious, possibly dying man in the road.
Editor's comments: By the end of the episode, we know that Sam has shot four Arachne and the bullets haven't even killed them, but when we see him shoot Roy Dobbs, who begs him not to, we get a completely different view of Sam Winchester. To me, it was like he was killing Jake, who also pleaded for his life. Sam was sure these men were done for, without even bothering to have a doctor check them out. If he had, the doctor would have died, too, or been turned. And the Deputy? He was in the way of their escape, pure and simple. To Sam, he was a deterrent, and needed to be gotten out of the way. If he had accidentally killed him, it wouldn't have mattered; the end justifies the means. It WAS soulless Sam, and there is plenty of evidence in this ep that he doesn't give a crap about anything beside solving the case--through whatever means possible. Brrrrr!
Present Day - Dean enters a hotel room to find Sam watching TV. "So--Mel Gibson really took a turn this year, huh?" remarks Sam, who says he's catching up. "Or he's possessed," suggests Dean, "seriously thinking about it." He tosses Sam something from a bag, presumably lunch. "So I just got off the phone with Bobby," continues Dean. "Anything else on this Mother of All thing?" asks Sam. "Nothing solid, he says it's quiet," says Dean. "Quiet like quiet, or quiet like TOO quiet?" asks Sam, going to check his signaling phone. "Just quiet," Dean answers. "Right," says Sam. "Hm," he says, and tosses Dean his phone. "Coordinates?" says Dean, concerned--"where from?" "No idea," says Sam. Sam calls the phone number but gets no answer. He shows Dean that the coordinates line up to Bristol, Rhode Island, where three women disappeared in the last week--the victims seemed to vanish into thin air. "Where's the text from?" asks Dean. "I dunno, just get ringing," says Sam. "What's that about?" asks Dean. "Another hunter, lookin' for backup," suggests Sam, "it's a case, who knows how many hunters I even met, workin' with the Campbells, but I think we should go." "Wait, we should just drop everything," says Dean. "Dude, two minutes ago, you weren't doing anything," says Sam. "You got mysterious coordinates from a mysterious Mr. X leading to a mysterious town--that doesn't throw up red flags to you?" asks Dean. "I dunno," says Sam, "maybe, but that doesn't mean we can just ignore a bunch of missing girls--right?" Dean is torn. "OK," he says, "we'll check it out, but if things get squirrelly, we dump out, OK?" Sam agrees.
They pull up to the Bristol, Rhode Island sign, on which is painted a friendly octopus. WHERE MEMORIES ARE MADE! it promises, and Sam proves it right when he gets a bunch of black and white flashbacks--of Samuel, that same sign, an ugly woman--but when Dean notices Sam's furrowed forehead and asks, "What?", Sam says, "Nothing."
At the sea and ship-themed Buccaneer Restaurant, Dean shuffles through the missing persons posters. "Freak's got a type," he grins, stopping at a brunette named Nicole Handler, turning her picture to show his brother, "whoa, this one's got a bit of a wild side, it's all in the eyes, Sam, see it?" "All right," smiles Sam, eating his food, "aside from your little deep insight there, these women actually have nothing in common--different jobs, different friends, different everything--so what's the connection?" Dean suggests to Sam that HE figure that out--"I'm going to go hit the Poop Deck." (Yes, that's what the bathroom is called!) Left alone, Sam chuckles and looks through the missing persons posters himself. "Agent Roark? Good to see you again," says a pretty brunette, stopping at his table. "It is," says Sam, not recognizing her. "You remember my husband?" she asks, pointing to the dour-looking man beside her--"Don." "Of course, right," says Sam, totally befuddled, "hi." Don nods. "So, you're back because it started again, right?" the woman says, leaning in confidentially-- "the disappearances?" "Uh, yeah, right," says Sam, "so if either of you hear anything, please let me know." Sam exits the bathroom, smiling at a pretty blond going into the ladies' room, who smiles back. He spots an "'Eat a whole 72 oz. surf 'n' turf, get it free' challenge on a nearby bulletin board and checks out the photos on it.
"Where's your partner?" the woman asks Sam-- "big bald guy? Agent Wyman, right?" "Sex rehab," answers Dean, "you've heard of plushies, right? Brrrrrrr." (Isn't that a stuffed toy sexual fetish?) "This is my new partner," says Sam. Dean shakes hands with the woman and her husband, then says to Sam, "So, AGENT, we should, uh," "Yeah, yeah, of course," agrees Sam. "Of course," the woman says, smiling at Sam, "nice chatting with you, Agent Roark." She leaves, touching his shoulder in a very familiar way. Sam flashes back to the two of them making out in the bathroom of this very place, then fumbling their way to the sink to have sex. She wraps her arms around him and whispers, "Cuff me." The flashback ending, Sam turns to see her grinning at him, as if she's reliving the same heated memory. "What was that?" asks Dean-- "she was cougar-eying you." Sam tells him he thinks he worked a case in this town. "Ya think?" says Dean, tossing him a picture from the wall. Behind a winner of the surf 'n' turf challenge sits Sam and Samuel! "Come on, let's get the hell outta here," orders Dean. The cougar and her husband, standing at the bar, watch them leave.
Sam's doing computer research while Dean's packing up. "Hop to," he tells Sam. Sam doesn't want to leave. A year ago, five men disappeared, and they never found the bodies--"That's got to be the case me and Samuel worked, right?" "What difference does it make?" asks Dean. "A year ago, all these guys go missing, and now, all these women go missing," says Sam, "something's here, so either we didn't stop it, or we only thought we did." "OK, but why the gender bend?" asks Dean--"first it's dudes, now it's chicks?-- totally different M.O." "I don't know," says Sam, "the point is, something's still here." "Great--call Bobby, he'll deal with it," insists Dean. "Why? We can deal with it," says Sam. "Are you serious?--Sam, there is a reason hunters don't hit the same town over again--because we have a habit of leaving messes behind." "I agree. . ." says Sam. "One of Dad's rules," says Dean, "never use the same crapper twice." "Everyone uses the same crapper twice," points out Sam. "Not us," says Dean, and at Sam's quizzical look, adds, "you know what I mean." "This creature is still walkin' around 'cause of me, right?" says Sam--"I let it go--Dad also said, 'You finish what you start.'" Chuckling, Dean nods. "OK, I get it," says Sam. "DO you?" asks Dean. "Yes," says Sam, "you're afraid I'll stroll down memory lane and I'll kick this wall in my head so hard, hell comes flooding through, right, and all of a sudden, I'm some drooling mess on the floor." "It's not a joke," says Dean, deadly serious. "OK, I know," says Sam, "but listen, "what's happening here right now is because *I* messed up, somehow, in some big way, so every person who gets taken, every person who dies, that's on me--I have to stop it--and you'd do the same thing." Reluctantly, Dean agrees. "All right," he says, "I'll talk to the brunettes, you see what you get from the cops."
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Souled v soulless Sam? So different yet so alike. I’m kind of reminded of the Samifer – Sam conversation in Swan Song whenever I think of them. Samifer and Soulless Sam are quite similar, they both have logic in abundance, one of the things that differentiates them from Sam is how they apply this logic. (Sorry, this souled v soulless thing deserves more thought than I can give you this early in the morning!)
The acting = A1. I don’t think they even needed the black and white for the flashbacks because it’s like watching two different characters; the way he carries himself, the way he talks, what he says, his manner etc. Soulless Sam’s face seems a lot more... pinched and closed whereas souled up Sams’ is like an open book (one that Dean, especially, can read very easily) Soulless Sam just had an air of imperiousness about him where souled up Sam just invites everyone in.
2. Do you feel that the Winchesters should never have chased this case? Would Roy’s death have made that much of a difference, given what it’s done to the wall in Sam’s head?
As the saying goes ‘If I knew then what I know now I’d be a wiser man’. I think they were always going to chase the case, just as the wall was always going to come down. They showed a loaded gun being put into Sam’s head during the first half of the season; they wouldn’t have done that unless they planned for it to go off at some stage.
3. What do you think of the morality of soulless Sam? The womanizing, beating up the lawman, sending an innocent man, a friend, right into danger? Is the soul that responsible for how good we are?
Thing is, Sam was in a no-win situation here. Had he helped the men (not shot them, brought them to the hospital or whatever), odds are they would have died, only this time over a prolonged period, probably in agony (as soulless Sam believed would happen).
In a way, Sam’s choice was rather redundant, because he was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t. Was what he did ruthless? Sure. Was it the right thing to do.... (Wonder what Dean and souled up Sam would have done had they been in this situation)
However, (and this is where the show deserves a serious pat on the back, they blur the lines between ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ so well) Sam and Dean have used humans as bait before (Something Wicked and The Real Ghostbusters being two examples). They’ve killed monsters who were unaware of their um... 'monsterhood’ before, they’ve beaten people up before, they’ve had random sex with strangers before (Dean might not have slept with half the female population of a town before but God knows, I’d say he’s like to give it a shot!)
So looking at it purely logically, what exactly is it, based on this episode, that makes souled up Sam so different from soulless Sam. We know he’s different but I find it hard to pinpoint exactly what it is that makes him different because most of what he’s done here, he’s already done before.
Sigh.... Show, I like you.
4 Despite Dean’s insistence that they leave, Sam was easily able to talk him into staying. How have the dynamics changed between the older and younger brother? There used to be a time that what Dean said was what they did!
I was thinking either (a) Dean stayed because Sam would just have bitched him into submission (just accept the inevitable Dean) or (b) Dean figured this case, if it wasn’t closed, would haunt Sam, thereby leading to more scratching, and therefore more of a chance of the wall collapsing. By staying around, maybe Dean hoped to have the case finished quickly enough that Sam wouldn’t need to scratch as much.
Though you’re right, Dean does seem to be maintaining a policy of appeasement towards Sam at the moment. He’s kinda treating him with kid gloves, probably because he’s concerned with the frailty of Sam’s mind. As was alluded to in Like A Virgin, Dean knows the memories of hell, he knows what they can do to a person, he doesn’t want that for Sam.
I love how this show can say ten different things with one look or one line of dialogue!
5. Is this how it’s going to be for Sam, little episodes like the one we saw at the end, until he scratches so much, he punches through altogether and goes mad or dies?
I really hope not. Seeing seizures makes me uncomfortable. I guess a lot will depend on whether there’s a renewal for Season 7. Maybe there might be a few miniature flashbacks every once in a while but when and how, no idea. Plus, I don’t want Sam to go mad or die (cos I like him sane and alive....)
6. What did you think of the Arachne? Creeeeepy eyes! I wonder if the mating business had anything to do with the Mother of All?
Spiders mating. Something else I could have gone a lifetime without thinking about! Those eyes were unnerving, all right. It’s hard to know if anything (everything?) ties in with Mother at the minute because what we know about her and Purgatory is still very much up in the air. (Though I really hope her plans for world domination amount to more than just ‘Go forth and fornicate’)
7. The brothers seem tighter than ever. Isn’t it fantastic?
It certainly is. This was like early SPN with an added dimension. From the crappy room, to the maps (and I loved how they worked flawlessly together to set that up, like a well oiled machine), to the food (iced tea WITH LEMON!!), to Deans silent ‘How you doin’?’ everything really.
2)Sam should have listened to Dean. It was mistake from the get go to pursue this case. It was a set-up and it Dean suspected it from the time Sam got the texts. He was right. Call Bobby and Rufus. There are other hunters. When it smells hinky, it probably is.
3)Souless Sam was neither good nor evil. He was completely amoral. He had no compass, no standard to measure behavior by other than "get the job done" and his life was all about the job. The soul is where our ability to make moral decisions, right or wrong, resides. If Sam had been evil before he lost his soul, it would have made no more difference in his behavior after he lost it than it did because he was good. A soul doesn't necessarily make us good, it just gives us the ability to make choices with a moral standard. Sam's moral standards have always been set by his sensitivity to the feelings and safety of others. When he lost his soul, he lost the ability to feel and thus his entire moral structure.
4)At the end of season 5, Dean accepted that Sam was grown up when he stopped fighting Sam on saying yes to Lucifer. He thought it was a bad idea, but recognized it was Sam's decision to make just as saying no to Michael had been his. Dean's instincts will always be to protect Sam but he has come to realize that the only way to protect adult Sam is to have his back even when he is making bad decisions. On Sam's part, with the exception of when he was drinking Demon blood, Sam with a soul has always been willing to follow Dean's lead most of the time. Only when he feels very strongly about something does he fight Dean on it. This is called growing up and Dean has realized that he has to let it happen. Dean has essentiallyraised Sam. The primary job of a parent of a kid in their teens is to let them make their own decisions (even bad ones) while trying to limit the repercussions of those decisions. While Sam is far beyond his teens, that dynamic between the brothers still exists. In many ways, Dean is trying to limit those repercussions.
5) Sam's going to have flashbacks. They are going to have to find a way to help Sam deal with it, to heal him his soul much the way Sam found a way to heal Dean's body in Season 1. It won't be pretty but it is what these boys do.
6)Arachne (arachnae?) are certainly creepy creatures, but the Mother Of All hadn't been raised when Sam first encountered one so I don't think it can be directly related. Having said that, I think that everything that is happening with the MOTW this season have to do with the wars going on in Heaven and Hell for dominance. Everything is out of balance and the creatures are taking advantage of it to come out of the shadows more. The Mother will establish her dominance over all of them and then unify and organize them in an army that would make Lucifer shudder.
7) The boys are back! God, I am so happy to see it. They both realize how much they almost lost and are tighter than ever. To see Dean at a point where he realizes he may have to kill souless Sam to protect everyone else was heartbreaking -- a fulfillment of his Dad's charge to either save Sammy or kill him. Dean has always saved him. But this time, he was out of options. Death turned into an unlikely ally in saving Sam and if Dean thinks it was a no strings attached deal he is fooling himself. A bill is going to come due there and it will alter the dynamic between the boys again -- whether drawing them closer or pushing them apart I can't say, but it is going to happen.
Thanks, Robin!
1. Now that you’ve seen souled and soulless Sam in the same episode, what do you think of the two Sams? How about Jared’s acting?
First for the easier part of the question:
What many have said before becomes even more obvious during this episode:
Jared´s acting has been brilliant.
It was quite easy to distinguish between the two and it would also have been without the b/w filming.
What impressed me the most was that he didn´t have to resort to "tricks" to make the difference more visible. There´s the puppy dogs, OK, but RoboSam didn´t have any trademark expressions that I´m aware of. There were some expressions only he used, true, but nothing flashy.
What made the difference between them - aside from what was scripted - was nothing really palpable, it was a combination of posture, gestures, facial expressions or lack thereof, inflections of voice, and a general air about them.
I really appreciate the subtlety of this acting choice, it made it all much more real for me.
And I´m quite in awe of how Jared managed to get this across.
There is just one scene I´m unsure about, and one that you referred to, Robin, and it brings me to the other part of your question: During the "mercy-killings" he starts out acting cold, but when he shoots the last victim, he sneers the same way resurrected Sam did when shooting Jake. What was that: Disdain? Malice? I´m not quite sure it fit.
RoboSam had emotions, shallow, short-lived emotions.
So did something trigger this emotion we saw displayed? Was it disdain for the victim who was too weak to survive?
RoboSam, to me is simply Sam minus the soul. It is Sam minus what makes him a human being. Like an empty house that needs something before you could call it a home.
Sam, Sammy that is, acknowledges that and feels responsible.
He accpets RoboSam as a part of himself.
And the fact that he does that alone shows us the difference between the two.
Painful as it is, I love this storyline, this: what would we be without a soul.
Each of us would be a different version of RoboSam. Not a hunter, maybe not a killer, but what and who we are minus our ethics and compassion.
It´s a lot of food for thought.
2. Do you feel that the Winchesters should never have chased this case? Would Roy’s death have made that much of a difference, given what it’s done to the wall in Sam’s head?
They should have gone there in my opinion, for various reasons.
First of all Sam wouldn´t have been able to find peace without at least trying, that´s just not him.
Then, it´s true he couldn´t really repair RoboSam´s mistakes.
You can´t undo damage, a broken vase can never be whole again, you can glue it together, but it may always leak.
And sometimes trying to repair something will make things worse.
Yet it is still possible to make a bad situation better, to limit the damage and/or to help people move on from it. Or create new paths out of that situation.
And this is what I think Sam did here:
He made a bad situation better: several arachne, one of them bent on revenge, on the loose. He could do nothing about the other arachnes, not the old, not the new ones. What he could do was to stop "Spiderman" and thus save more future victims, and give Brenna closure - in a very painful way, true - but it was still closure. She looked like a strong woman to me and she´ll be able to move on at some point.
So he did help.
Was it worth the risk?
Well, is Sam´s well-being worth more than the lives he could save?
That has always been the question,and Sam´s answer has always been: No
3. What do you think of the morality of soulless Sam? The womanizing, beating up the lawman, sending an innocent man, a friend, right into danger? Is the soul that responsible for how good we are?
I think that having a soul gives us the potential for empathy, for love and for growth.
Potential is just that, it´s not a guarantee.
The difference was quite visible in Sam because his empathy and his capacity to love are highly developed and in many ways he is an extremely mature person, so lack of all that will show.
I´m sure there are people where the difference wouldn´t be that apparent, and then some who would appear better without their soul,if their souls´potential went the other way, into darkness. Demons are the most extreme example of that: souls that have let themselves be corrupted completely.
As for morality: RoboSam isn´t vicious, actually it´s quite an interesting look into Sam´s psyche, stripped of his morals and inhibitions: e.g. he likes having sex, but apparently his soul feels he shouldn´t, at least not indiscriminately.
And RoboSam´s hunting methods do reflect Sam´s tendency to act "for the greater good": if it serves the purpose, it´s ok.
Sam has done this before, the most extreme example being using his powers on his road to kill Lilith. This tendency to put the greater good before all else can become dangerous.
Sam´s strength of soul, when it is uncorrupted, usually keeps this in balance.
On a side note, it would somehow be interesting to see a soulless Dean. Not that I hope we´ll go there...
I´m sure he would be quite different in some ways.
4 Despite Dean’s insistence that they leave, Sam was easily able to talk him into staying. How have the dynamics changed between the older and younger brother? There used to be a time that what Dean said was what they did!
The dynamics have indeed changed, what started in The End
So Dean here reacts to Sam´s deep need to set things right and lets it take precedence over his own need to keep Sam
safe. It´s also acceptance of Sam´s stubborn streak, without resentment.
And maybe there is also gratitude for Sam being back and being Sammy.
Sam for his part has become more open, he asks for help when he needs it.
He now trusts Dean to accept him, no matter what: if DemonSam and RoboSam didn´t make him leave, nothing will.
And I´m sure, he´s deeply grateful to Dean, probably more than is visible to us, for accepting and loving the "freak".
It´s still a long and winding road: Sam does sneak out after Dean has tried to confine him. Still, it´s not truly an issue, as it would have been on former occasions.
5. Is this how it’s going to be for Sam, little episodes like the one we saw at the end, until he scratches so much, he punches through altogether and goes mad or dies?
I have no idea.
Maybe Jasminka could tell us some things about amnesia and how remembering happens.
There is just one thing that makes this completely unpredictable: there are four sets of memories in Sam now: Sam´s as Sammy, RoboSam and Sammy´s in Hell "together", Sammy´s in Hell, and RoboSam´s on Earth. The latter three are now behind walls, and we do not know how remembering one part of one set could and will influence the other sets.
From a story-telling point of view, I´d say yes. At least this is exactly how I´d do it as a writer.
6. What did you think of the Arachne? Creeeeepy eyes! I wonder if the mating business had anything to do with the Mother of All?
I was quite intrigued and impressed with this MOTW, especially since this one had a personal spin to it.
As for the mating, yes that thought occurred to me too. I was thinking of the Alphas building armies - maybe there´s another in the making. Creepy thought.
7. The brothers seem tighter than ever. Isn’t it fantastic?
Oh yes, and I love seeing them this way.
As I´ve said, their relationship has matured, neither feels threatened by the other´s way of things, there is a deepter understanding and love that´s palpable even when they are bickering.
And they are far more open to the other than they used to be. Before it took pushing or a full-blown fight to get things into the open. Now they seem to trust the other far more to accept their view on things even if they should disagree.
God, this is long, even for me..
Sorry about that!
Great episode, and great Rambles.
Thanks again, Robin!
Loved this epi, love how the early SPN episodes feel is coming through again. Yes, the brotherly bonding IS fantastic.
Yet two things bothered me in this story: after they found out Sam and Samuel were working a case here a year ago, why didn't they just call Samuel to find out what it was all about? Would have saved them a lot of time and trouble, right? And second: Sam saw the web at Brenna's house, a very unusual spider web, and didn't do anything about it, just walked away? I dunno, doesn't seem like our boys.
Those Arachne monsters were SO creepy, I get all itchy when I see monster eyes
Jared was just AMAZING! The difference between soulless and souled up Sam - so convincing. Well done, dude
I love show !
1. Now that you’ve seen souled and soulless Sam in the same episode, what do you think of the two Sams? How about Jared’s acting?
Jared was fantastic portraying both soulless and soulful Sam. You could really see the difference in both.
2. Do you feel that the Winchesters should never have chased this case? Would Roy’s death have made that much of a difference, given what it’s done to the wall in Sam’s head?
I think they needed to chance this case, more as a learning experience. Sam needed to learn just how fragile and dangerous this wall really is.
3. What do you think of the morality of soulless Sam? The womanizing, beating up the lawman, sending an innocent man, a friend, right into danger? Is the soul that responsible for how good we are?
Sam was pretty scary without his soul. It does make you think that if someone as sensitive and compassionate as Sam was can turn into this ‘monster’ then just how bad would I be without mine?
4. Despite Dean’s insistence that they leave, Sam was easily able to talk him into staying. How have the dynamics changed between the older and younger brother? There used to be a time that what Dean said was what they did!
I think this was showing that the dynamics are changing, that Dean was willing to let Sam learn for himself the dangers of picking at the wall.
5. Is this how it’s going to be for Sam, little episodes like the one we saw at the end, until he scratches so much, he punches through altogether and goes mad or dies?
I’m hoping that this experience will teach Sam that he has to stop scratching at the wall. But I think it will be a slow process until either the end of this season or will lead into season 7…if there is one.
6. What did you think of the Arachne? Creeeeepy eyes! I wonder if the mating business had anything to do with the Mother of All?
I hate spiders, have always been afraid of them so this was alittle easier to take, however they were still very creepy. I don’t think it had anything to do with the Mother of All.
7. The brothers seem tighter than ever. Isn’t it fantastic?
Yes I’m loving the brotherly dynamics…I have so missed it these past 2 ½ years.
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